Re: How come no one posts in r.b.off-road?

[Edward Dolan]

"Booker C. Bense"
<[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
[...]
> _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
> groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
> software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
> goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
> to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )

That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
success) by doing some cross-posting. The group is so small that it is in
constant danger of dying. Most of the other cycling groups do not have to
worry about being too small, but that is a constant concern with ARBR.

Many of the former members of ARBR have fled to BROL, a moderated website
forum. Some like it there but many do not. There is just no reason why ARBR
should not be more popular than it is.

> In general moderation is the kiss of death for most newsgroups,
> especially since if I remember correctly[1] the software depends on
> working email addresses. (i.e. all posts to the group get sent
> to an email address for approval, I suspect most usenet posts
> with non-functional From fields get put in the SPAM bucket long
> before they get to the moderators... ) Unless the moderators
> spend the time and effort to setup and maintain automoderation
> software, most moderated groups dwindle away.

Excellent post Booker. I actually learned a few things that I did not know
before.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Joshua Putnam]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
> success) by doing some cross-posting. The group is so small that it is in
> constant danger of dying. Most of the other cycling groups do not have to
> worry about being too small, but that is a constant concern with ARBR.

Probably moreso than most small groups, since if someone does decide to
read ARBR, they're met with endless nonsense from a certain crackpot who
posts about almost anything *except* recumbents, so that ARBR functions
as a small, misnamed rec.bicycles.soc

--
[email protected] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Joshua Putnam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
>> success) by doing some cross-posting. The group is so small that it is in
>> constant danger of dying. Most of the other cycling groups do not have to
>> worry about being too small, but that is a constant concern with ARBR.
>
> Probably moreso than most small groups, since if someone does decide to
> read ARBR, they're met with endless nonsense from a certain crackpot who
> posts about almost anything *except* recumbents, so that ARBR functions
> as a small, misnamed rec.bicycles.soc

I stay on a very limited number of threads, mostly off-topic, and do not
ever interfere with on-topic posts. Your objection simply has no foundation
in fact or truth. I am at a loss as to why others do not flock to ARBR since
it is the only Usenet (unmoderated) group devoted to recumbent bicycles
exclusively. Am I such an ogre that I would scare off others?

I note the same phenomenon with Mike Vandeman on RBS. He stays on a limited
number of threads which are clearly labeled and does not interfere with
topics that do not interest him, yet others do not seem to want to post
there. Very mysterious to say the least.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Joshua Putnam]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> I stay on a very limited number of threads, mostly off-topic, and do not
> ever interfere with on-topic posts. Your objection simply has no foundation
> in fact or truth.

Look at the *volume* of your nonsense posts as a share of the total
traffic in ARBR -- you do literally flood the group with junk.

> I am at a loss as to why others do not flock to ARBR since
> it is the only Usenet (unmoderated) group devoted to recumbent bicycles
> exclusively. Am I such an ogre that I would scare off others?

If I had to choose between ARBR and one of the HPV mailing lists, I know
where I'd find a better signal-to-noise ratio.

> I note the same phenomenon with Mike Vandeman on RBS. He stays on a limited
> number of threads which are clearly labeled and does not interfere with
> topics that do not interest him,

If that were true, it would be a welcome improvement. His behavior
*has* improved since he repeatedly crashed email lists with mailbombs,
but the total volume of his off-topic threads dwarfs all the on-topic
threads.

--
[email protected] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

 

[JimmyMac]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Booker C. Bense"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> [...]
> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
>
> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
> success) by doing some cross-posting.

There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be justified.
Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read breach
of netiquette).

> The group is so small that it is in
> constant danger of dying. Most of the other cycling groups do not have to
> worry about being too small, but that is a constant concern with ARBR.
>
> Many of the former members of ARBR have fled to BROL, a moderated website
> forum.

It's called "Dolan flight"

> Some like it there but many do not.

Unsubstantiated opinion stated as though fact requiring no proof or
evidence (comon Dolan rhetorical tactic).

> There is just no reason why ARBR
> should not be more popular than it is.

Sure there is. It became unpopular when you took up residence. This
is not my person al opinon. I am merely echoing the sentiment expressed
by many. You just aren't hearing their message.

> > In general moderation is the kiss of death for most newsgroups,
> > especially since if I remember correctly[1] the software depends on
> > working email addresses. (i.e. all posts to the group get sent
> > to an email address for approval, I suspect most usenet posts
> > with non-functional From fields get put in the SPAM bucket long
> > before they get to the moderators... ) Unless the moderators
> > spend the time and effort to setup and maintain automoderation
> > software, most moderated groups dwindle away.
>
> Excellent post Booker. I actually learned a few things that I did not know
> before.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[JimmyMac]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Joshua Putnam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >
> >> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
> >> success) by doing some cross-posting. The group is so small that it is in
> >> constant danger of dying. Most of the other cycling groups do not have to
> >> worry about being too small, but that is a constant concern with ARBR.
> >
> > Probably moreso than most small groups, since if someone does decide to
> > read ARBR, they're met with endless nonsense from a certain crackpot who
> > posts about almost anything *except* recumbents, so that ARBR functions
> > as a small, misnamed rec.bicycles.soc
>
> I stay on a very limited number of threads

Total B.S.

> mostly off-topic

True and a TROLL's trademark.

> and do not
> ever interfere with on-topic posts.

More B.S.

> Your objection simply has no foundation
> in fact or truth. I am at a loss as to why others do not flock to ARBR since
> it is the only Usenet (unmoderated) group devoted to recumbent bicycles
> exclusively.

Dedicate to recumbent bicycles??? Are you serious??? You mean that
ARBR is the only newsgroup primarily dedicated your unrestrained ego
and your monotonous mantra. ARBR has become your cyber-playpen and you
have difficulty understanding why others don't flock here??? You're
about as perceptive as the average tree stump. You're here and thar is
precisely why other have left. You're here and that is precisely what
deters others from "flocking" here.

> Am I such an ogre that I would scare off others?

I addressed that immediately above, but in a word ...YES, but you
should have said obnoxious ogre.

> I note the same phenomenon with Mike Vandeman on RBS. He stays on a limited
> number of threads which are clearly labeled and does not interfere with
> topics that do not interest him, yet others do not seem to want to post
> there. Very mysterious to say the least.

No mystery there ... birds of a feather. You two are the blight of any
newsgroup.

Jim McNamara

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Joshua Putnam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>> I stay on a very limited number of threads, mostly off-topic, and do not
>> ever interfere with on-topic posts. Your objection simply has no
>> foundation
>> in fact or truth.
>
> Look at the *volume* of your nonsense posts as a share of the total
> traffic in ARBR -- you do literally flood the group with junk.

But that is irrelevant. I stay on just a few threads at any one time. That
is the critical distinction, not the number of posts.

>> I am at a loss as to why others do not flock to ARBR since
>> it is the only Usenet (unmoderated) group devoted to recumbent bicycles
>> exclusively. Am I such an ogre that I would scare off others?
>
> If I had to choose between ARBR and one of the HPV mailing lists, I know
> where I'd find a better signal-to-noise ratio.

I have nothing against moderated forums whatsoever. It is just that they are
so dull!

>> I note the same phenomenon with Mike Vandeman on RBS. He stays on a
>> limited
>> number of threads which are clearly labeled and does not interfere with
>> topics that do not interest him,
>
> If that were true, it would be a welcome improvement. His behavior
> *has* improved since he repeatedly crashed email lists with mailbombs,
> but the total volume of his off-topic threads dwarfs all the on-topic
> threads.

Actually, Mike Vandeman is NEVER off-topic, unlike me. He is pretty much a
one-note Johnny, but he is on-topic all the time. Others can post to RBS on
other topics and I am sure he will not interfere with those discussions
anymore than I would. I simply don't understand your objections.

Jon Meinecke, a member of ARBR who I don't much like for several reasons, is
nevertheless right when he says a newsgroup is what we make of it. If you do
not like my posts, then post your own messages and let other also go and do
likewise. A newsgroup needs hundreds of posters in order for it to thrive.
Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I will ever interfere with topics that do not
interest or concern us.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Booker C. Bense"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>> [...]
>> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
>> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
>> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
>> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
>> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
>>
>> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
>> success) by doing some cross-posting.
>
> There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be justified.
> Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read breach
> of netiquette).

A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus to
what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to worry
about that as long as I am here.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[[email protected]]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "Booker C. Bense"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> message news:[email protected]...
> >> [...]
> >> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
> >> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
> >> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
> >> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
> >> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
> >>
> >> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not much
> >> success) by doing some cross-posting.
> >
> > There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be justified.
> > Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read breach
> > of netiquette).
>
> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus to
> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to worry
> about that as long as I am here.
> [...]

Oh no!!! You're back and I was hoping that Ed Dolan was DEAD Dolan.

Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
"can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
that which you are ... a TROLL.

Jim McNamara

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> "Booker C. Bense"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote
>> >> in
>> >> message news:[email protected]...
>> >> [...]
>> >> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
>> >> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
>> >> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
>> >> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
>> >> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
>> >>
>> >> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not
>> >> much
>> >> success) by doing some cross-posting.
>> >
>> > There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be justified.
>> > Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read breach
>> > of netiquette).
>>
>> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
>> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus
>> to
>> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
>> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
>> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
>> worry
>> about that as long as I am here.
>> [...]
>
> Oh no!!! You're back and I was hoping that Ed Dolan was DEAD Dolan.
>
> Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
> newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
> regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
> "can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
> be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
> that which you are ... a TROLL.

>> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
>> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus
>> to
>> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
>> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
>> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
>> worry
>> about that as long as I am here. - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[[email protected]]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> >> "Booker C. Bense"
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote
> >> >> in
> >> >> message news:[email protected]...
> >> >> [...]
>> >> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
> >> >> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
> >> >> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
> >> >> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
> >> >> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
> >> >>
> >> >> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not
> >> >> much
> >> >> success) by doing some cross-posting.
> >> >
> >> > There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be justified.
> >> > Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read breach
> >> > of netiquette).
> >>
> >> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
> >> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus
> >> to
> >> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
> >> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
> >> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
> >> worry
> >> about that as long as I am here.
> >> [...]
> >
> > Oh no!!! You're back and I was hoping that Ed Dolan was DEAD Dolan.
> >
> > Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
> > newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
> > regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
> > "can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
> > be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
> > that which you are ... a TROLL.
>
> >> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
> >> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a stimulus
> >> to
> >> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died of
> >> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do not
> >> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
> >> worry
> >> about that as long as I am here. - Ed Dolan

Cut and paste repetition deserves the same...

Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
"can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
that which you are ... a TROLL.

Jim McNamara

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> >
>> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> >> "Booker C. Bense"
>> >> >> <[email protected]>
>> >> >> wrote
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> message news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> [...]
> >> >> > _ It's moderated and it suffers the fate of all moderated
>> >> >> > groups. They are only as good as the moderators. If the
>> >> >> > software breaks or they fall down on the job, the group
>> >> >> > goes in a downward spiral to uselessness. ( People only tend
>> >> >> > to post in groups where they see a lot of posts. )
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That is why I am trying to drag some others over to ARBR (with not
>> >> >> much
>> >> >> success) by doing some cross-posting.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are some circumstances for which cross-posting can be
>> >> > justified.
>> >> > Your reason for doing so does not fall into that category (read
>> >> > breach
>> >> > of netiquette).
>> >>
>> >> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
>> >> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a
>> >> stimulus
>> >> to
>> >> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died
>> >> of
>> >> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do
>> >> not
>> >> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
>> >> worry
>> >> about that as long as I am here.
>> >> [...]
>> >
>> > Oh no!!! You're back and I was hoping that Ed Dolan was DEAD Dolan.
>> >
>> > Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
>> > newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
>> > regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
>> > "can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
>> > be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
>> > that which you are ... a TROLL.
>>
>> >> A post that is off-topic and/or of a general nature can be posted to
>> >> multiple newsgroups and no harm is done. In fact, it serves as a
>> >> stimulus
>> >> to
>> >> what would otherwise be a very dull group. More newsgroups have died
>> >> of
>> >> boredom than for any other reason. Only fellows like Jim McNamara do
>> >> not
>> >> mind boredom as long as you are on-topic, but you do not ever have to
>> >> worry
>> >> about that as long as I am here. - Ed Dolan
>
> Cut and paste repetition deserves the same...
>
> Your own words ... "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what
> newsgroups are all about." One of the things you know nothing about
> regarding newsgroups and posting is netiquette. Sure, off-topic post
> "can be" posted, but that does not imply that "off-topic" post should
> be posted, let alone cross-posted. This is one of the trademarks of
> that which you are ... a TROLL.

Nothing but a stalker, that most pitiful of all Usenet creatures.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota