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"Bob" <ctviggen@x.rcn.com> wrote in message news:b4m26s$s1n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
>
> "TJ" <hundtoft@acsol.net> wrote in message news:v6o5hoqs4ec32a@corp.supernews.com...
> > Use wisely I say. The Atkins diet has been very controversial. If you
> are
> > excercising ( Riding) Gage the carbs you use and adjust accordingly. Buy the book. The induction
> > phase of the diet is only a very small portion of the regimen. People use it as a crutch when
> > they need to drop a few
> pounds.
> > Since starting it, I have a blood sugar level that is more consitent. I have lost a bunch of
> > weight. And I ride faster.
> >
> > TJ
> >
>
> Atkins, even in the most restrictive phase, isn't zero carb. What I do is add carbs prior to
> workouts and afterwards, and I really have no problem riding. However, I'm not a 250 mile/week
> person. I exercise 1.25 hours on the bike and 1.5 hours weight lifting for about 3-4 times per
> week; my biking is all hills; my weight lifting (I'm currently only biking due to injuries) is
> hard, fast, with lighter weights. Consistent blood sugar level is the only reason I'm on Atkins.
> With high carb, I had to hang onto something after eating brown rice or pasta and I fell asleep
> every day at 3pm. Now, my blood sugar is rock solid and I feel great, with no lull around 3 pm.
> And, my cholesterol is fine and the numbers have improved (triglycerides are down, HDL up and LDL
> down). I even eat more vegetables now than I did on high carb.

<<snipped from Google's cache of http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/nut...t/ketosis.html >>

To understand how ketosis develops, you first need to understand how the liver converts the food you
eat into fuels and how the body uses these fuels.

How does the liver convert the food you eat into fuels? The protein, complex carbohydrates, and fat
that you eat -- and the protein, carbohydrate, and fat in your body -- can all be used to fuel your
body functions. But first, the liver converts them into chemicals the body's tissues can use as
fuel, as follows:

The liver converts the carbohydrates into a simple sugar, glucose, which can fuel most body
functions. It converts any excess protein you eat, over and above what you need to replace the
proteins in your body, into glucose as well. It converts the fats into chemicals called ketone
bodies. Once these conversions are made, the liver exports the glucose and ketone bodies into the
blood stream for distribution to the tissues for use as fuel.

How do you develop ketosis on a low carbohydrate diet? The amount of ketone bodies you make depends
on how much glucose is available to your system. If you starve yourself, or if you eat a low to no
carbohydrate diet, you will make large amounts of ketone bodies to compensate for the lack of
carbohydrates. As a result, you will start to accumulate these ketone bodies in your blood stream.
This accumulation is called ketosis, and the diet that causes this accumulation is called a
ketogenic diet. Ketosis will give a distinctive taste in your mouth, and a distinct (and not very
pleasant) breath odor -- it smells like a cross between apples and nail polish remover -- because
some of these ketones can be exhaled from your lungs as as gas.

Can all tissues use ketone bodies as fuel? Most tissues can use ketone bodies as fuel, so when
little glucose is available, they switch to using ketone bodies. But there are several tissues of
the body which don't do very well when you have ketosis. These include your brain, the muscles you
use for rapid movement, and your red blood cells.

Ketosis and your brain One tissue that cannot use ketone bodies very well as a fuel is the brain.
The brain needs a certain amount of carbohydrate per day to function properly -- about 150 grams a
day, or the equivalent of about 12 slices of bread, or 3 baked potatoes. The brain's need for
carbohydrate is one of the reasons why the Food Guide Pyramid recommends that you eat 6-11 servings
of the Bread, Cereal, Rice and Pasta Group a day.

If you eat a low carbohydrate diet for a while, or if you starve, you brain can start to use ketones
for about 50% of its fuel needs. But when your brain uses ketones, it cannot function at its best --
thinking and reaction times tend to slow down. People tend not to notice these changes when they are
on a low to no carbohydrate diet, because the brain changes make them slower to react to any
stimulus, including the stimuli that come from self-awareness. So you may not be aware of this
slowing down, but it may make a difference if you use machinery, such as a car, which requires quick
thinking and quick reflexes.

Note that physicians have used ketogenic diets for people with epilepsy. Epilepsy is a kind of
electric storm in the brain. Ketogenic diets slow down all brain functions, so if you are epileptic,
a ketogenic diet will make your brain less likely to react to the trigger that sets off electric
storms in your brain.

Ketosis and your muscles Another tissue that cannot use ketones very well are the muscles that you
need to use for fast movement. For example, the muscles in your hands cannot use ketone bodies very
well, so on a low carbohydrate diet, your fast repeated hand movements will slow down and your
hands' endurance will decrease -- for example you will become slower and more tired when you type
for a long time.

Furthermore, on a low to no carbohydrate diet, the protein you eat, and protein from muscles is
converted to glucose to supply the brain's needs. So if you go on this diet, you may feel tired
because you have lost muscle mass as well.

Water weight loss with ketosis When you begin a low to no carbohydrate diet, you will experience
water weight loss, even when you don't change the total amount of calories that you eat. This
water weight loss is due to the changes in kidney function, including loss of body sodium, that
accompany the need to excrete the excess ketone bodies. As a result you will reach a new, slightly
dehydrated weight.

You will also need to excrete the urea that is produced when you convert protein into fuels and into
glucose. The urea is excreted along with water, so that you will continue to have higher than normal
water loss.

A note about ketosis and diabetes People who have Type I diabetes mellitus can develop ketosis as
well. People who have Type I diabetes mellitus require insulin injections in order to use the
glucose that the liver produces. When they don't have enough insulin in circulation, the body can't
use the glucose, and acts as if there was no glucose in the blood stream. As a result, fat cells
break up the fat they contain into free fatty acids, and send them via the blood stream to the
liver. There the liver converts the fats into ketone bodies.

Because the fat cells release their fats at a very high rate, the production of ketones also occurs
at a very high rate, a rate much greater than the rate at which the body can use the ketones. Under
these circumstances, ketosis can become severe. The ketosis is coupled with dehydration and loss of
sodium and potassium, which occurs because the body tries to excrete the excess glucose via the
urine. The dehydration, ketosis, loss of sodium and potassium, and the development of high blood
acid levels, together lead to a condition called diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetic ketoacidosis can be
fatal if the person is not treated with insulin. The ketosis you develop with a low to no
carbohydrate diet is a very mild condition when compared with diabetic ketoacidosis.

Why can people lose weight on a low carbohydrate diet? As noted above, when you start a low
carbohydrate diet, you will have some amount of water weight loss. As you continue on the diet, you
may experience a decreased appetite, and these diets lack variety, so you will eat less. As a result
you will lose weight -- in fact any diet where you take in fewer calories than your body needs will
result in weight loss.

In article <W6xba.1657$S%3.87599@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
pasensio@worldnet.att.net says...
> > something after eating brown rice or pasta and I fell asleep every day at 3pm. Now, my blood
> > sugar is rock solid and I feel great, with no lull around 3 pm. And, my cholesterol is fine and
> > the numbers have improved (triglycerides are down, HDL up and LDL down). I even eat more
> > vegetables now than I did on high carb.
>
>
> <<snipped from Google's cache of http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/nut...t/ketosis.html >>
>
> To understand how ketosis develops, you first need to understand how the liver converts the food
> you eat into fuels and how the body
>

That really should read "snipped from the mouth's of the establishment." I can't beleive it doesn't
even mention that being in Ketosis is a virtual cure for Type II diabetes or that your liver breaks
down fat that is already stored in your body for energy which leads to rapid weight loss. Losing
weight just because of lack of appetite and water loss, what a crock of ****.
--
_________________________
Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia http://www.ramsays-online.com

I was going to say the same thing. I have been droping some poundage with the Atkins eating habit. (
I say eating habit because I just changed what I eat, not how much) The establishment is coming
around though. The studies support what Atkins has been saying for years.

TJ

"Chris Phillipo" <cphillipo@ramsays-online.coim> wrote in message
news:MPG.18d93235839bca3c989bee@news.eastlink.ca...
> In article <W6xba.1657$S%3.87599@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> pasensio@worldnet.att.net says...
> > > something after eating brown rice or pasta and I fell asleep every day
at
> > > 3pm. Now, my blood sugar is rock solid and I feel great, with no lull around 3 pm. And, my
> > > cholesterol is fine and the numbers have
improved
> > > (triglycerides are down, HDL up and LDL down). I even eat more
vegetables
> > > now than I did on high carb.
> >
> >
> > <<snipped from Google's cache of
http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/nut...t/ketosis.html >>
> >
> > To understand how ketosis develops, you first need to understand how the
liver converts the food you eat into fuels and how the body
> >
>
> That really should read "snipped from the mouth's of the establishment." I can't beleive it
> doesn't even mention that being in Ketosis is a virtual cure for Type II diabetes or that your
> liver breaks down fat that is already stored in your body for energy which leads to rapid weight
> loss. Losing weight just because of lack of appetite and water loss, what a crock of ****.
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia http://www.ramsays-online.com

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:23:14 -0500, "Bob" <ctviggen@x.rcn.com> wrote:

>
>"TJ" <hundtoft@acsol.net> wrote in message news:v6o5hoqs4ec32a@corp.supernews.com...
>> Use wisely I say. The Atkins diet has been very controversial. If you
>are
>> excercising ( Riding) Gage the carbs you use and adjust accordingly. Buy the book. The induction
>> phase of the diet is only a very small portion of the regimen. People use it as a crutch when
>> they need to drop a few
>pounds.
>> Since starting it, I have a blood sugar level that is more consitent. I have lost a bunch of
>> weight. And I ride faster.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>Atkins, even in the most restrictive phase, isn't zero carb. What I do is add carbs prior to
>workouts and afterwards, and I really have no problem riding. However, I'm not a 250 mile/week
>person. I exercise 1.25 hours on the bike and 1.5 hours weight lifting for about 3-4 times per
>week; my biking is all hills; my weight lifting (I'm currently only biking due to injuries) is
>hard, fast, with lighter weights. Consistent blood sugar level is the only reason I'm on Atkins.
>With high carb, I had to hang onto something after eating brown rice or pasta and I fell asleep
>every day at 3pm. Now, my blood sugar is rock solid and I feel great, with no lull around 3 pm.
>And, my cholesterol is fine and the numbers have improved (triglycerides are down, HDL up and LDL
>down). I even eat more vegetables now than I did on high carb.
>

I had the same loss of eneergy when I ate a lot of pasta.

Cutting carbs out is one of the best things I;ve ever done for myself. And eating more spinach...

"benrand" <jackhfanman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I had the same loss of eneergy when I ate a lot of pasta.
>
> Cutting carbs out is one of the best things I;ve ever done for myself. And eating more spinach...

I'm curious, what are both of your bodies' compositions? Brown rice, especially if it's long grain,
shouldn't cause a blood sugar spike. I eat almost exclusively low GI carbs, except for post-workout,
and I couldn't walk up and down the stairs at work without carbs, let alone bike.

-will

"TJ" <hundtoft@acsol.net> wrote in message news:<v71a0821p8jj48@corp.supernews.com>...
> I was going to say the same thing. I have been droping some poundage with the Atkins eating habit.
> ( I say eating habit because I just changed what I eat, not how much) The establishment is coming
> around though. The studies support what Atkins has been saying for years.
>
> TJ

Hey man, are you in town? Let's ride The Ribbon tomorrow afternoon.

JD drop me an email

>On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:51:35 GMT, "Slacker" <pasensio@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>I've been playing with my eating habits lately, basically bumped up the fat & protein and lowered
>>the carbs. My body fat percentage is slowly dropping, which is how I wanted to do it, slowly. In
>>addition, working-out (riding or in the gym) to increase muscle, which in turn will consume more
>>calories.

I'm not sure this is the best thread to intrroduce myself, but, hi-all. My name is Gwen Morse, and
I've been mountain biking for...uhhh...a week now . I live on Long Island (NY) in Suffolk County,
and I've been riding at Cathedral Pines.

I've been low-carbing for a year, and lost 40 pounds on Atkins (which I'm successfully keeping off).
I've become much more fitness-oriented since I started Atkins. I hike twice a week, take a Body
Toning class twice a week, and I'm trying to set a pattern of mountain biking 3x a week (weather
allowing).

My great weakness is chocolate, and I've been battling with finding a balance between allowing
myself an occasional 'treat' and ambushing my weight maintenance.

I wouldn't have lost the weight if I hadn't changed my eating, but, I wouldn't have kept it off
without the exercise.

To keep this topical to the group I have a brand-new Trek 4100 that I bought from my local bike
shop. I've loved every minute that I've spent out on it, and haven't done myself any serious
damage, yet .

Gwen

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across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels
come." -- Matt Groening

Gwen Morse wrote:
> I'm not sure this is the best thread to intrroduce myself, but, hi-all. My name is Gwen Morse, and
> I've been mountain biking for...uhhh...a week now . I live on Long Island (NY) in Suffolk
> County, and I've been riding at Cathedral Pines.
>

Hi Gwen. Is your nickname Kitty? Welcome. More females are always needed here to balance out the
testosterone poisoning here. You might need a shovel to dig through the bs once in a while (every
day!) but there's lot's of good info to be had and a bit of fun too.

Penny

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:52:16 -0800, "Penny S." <pennydeletes@invalidcet.com> wrote:

>Gwen Morse wrote:
>> I'm not sure this is the best thread to intrroduce myself, but, hi-all. My name is Gwen Morse,
>> and I've been mountain biking for...uhhh...a week now . I live on Long Island (NY) in Suffolk
>> County, and I've been riding at Cathedral Pines.
>>
>
>Hi Gwen. Is your nickname Kitty? Welcome. More females are always needed

Heh. No, my nickname is Gwen (my 'real' name is Jennifer).

>here to balance out the testosterone poisoning here. You might need a shovel to dig through the bs
>once in a while (every day!) but there's lot's of good info to be had and a bit of fun too.

I noticed a decided imbalance of females both on the trail, and in this group.

Gwen

--
Gwen Morse -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Love is a snowmobile racing
across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels
come." -- Matt Groening

"Gwen Morse" <goldmoon@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:eglp8v83khmd100j07ub5im5qk9aafb03l@4ax.com...
|
| >On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:51:35 GMT, "Slacker" <pasensio@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| >
| >>I've been playing with my eating habits lately, basically bumped up the
fat & protein and lowered the carbs. My body fat percentage
| >>is slowly dropping, which is how I wanted to do it, slowly. In
addition, working-out (riding or in the gym) to increase muscle,
| >>which in turn will consume more calories.
|
| I'm not sure this is the best thread to intrroduce myself, but, hi-all. My name is Gwen Morse, and
| I've been mountain biking for...uhhh...a week now . I live on Long Island (NY) in Suffolk
| County, and I've been riding at Cathedral Pines.
|
| I've been low-carbing for a year, and lost 40 pounds on Atkins (which I'm successfully keeping
| off). I've become much more fitness-oriented since I started Atkins. I hike twice a week, take a
| Body Toning class twice a week, and I'm trying to set a pattern of mountain biking 3x a week
| (weather allowing).
|
| My great weakness is chocolate, and I've been battling with finding a balance between allowing
| myself an occasional 'treat' and ambushing my weight maintenance.
|
| I wouldn't have lost the weight if I hadn't changed my eating, but, I wouldn't have kept it off
| without the exercise.
|
| To keep this topical to the group I have a brand-new Trek 4100 that I bought from my local bike
| shop. I've loved every minute that I've spent out on it, and haven't done myself any serious
| damage, yet .
|
| Gwen
|
Hi there Gwen, welcome on in,

I was watching a diet program the other day on the Atkins diet. Looks like sheer hell to me but
apparently works really well.......especially for men, weird that.

I am sure Penny will look after you for a bit and most advice needs sifting before storing.

Simon........oh and don't ask about mudgaurds (fenders)

Simon wrote:

> I am sure Penny will look after you for a bit and most advice needs sifting before storing.

God, you make it sound like kindergarten.

> Simon........oh and don't ask about mudgaurds (fenders)

Get over it already.

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"bomba" <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E8D8112.9000105@hotmail.com...
| Simon wrote:
|
| > I am sure Penny will look after you for a bit and most advice needs
sifting
| > before storing.
|
| God, you make it sound like kindergarten.
|
| > Simon........oh and don't ask about mudgaurds (fenders)
|
| Get over it already.
|
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Whats kindergarten is like an english "nursery"

Simon.....lighten up Mr.Bomba your seriousness detector is broken.

Simon <news@tau-designs.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "bomba" <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E8D8112.9000105@hotmail.com...
> | Simon wrote:
> |
> | > I am sure Penny will look after you for a bit and most advice needs
> sifting
> | > before storing.
> |
> | God, you make it sound like kindergarten.
> |
> | > Simon........oh and don't ask about mudgaurds (fenders)
> |
> | Get over it already.
> |

> Whats kindergarten is like an english "nursery"
>
> Simon.....lighten up Mr.Bomba your seriousness detector is broken.

brats, and I've had just about enough of your petty minded, childish,

Shaun aRe - Or i'll knock yer bloody heads together. Kids!

Simon wrote:

> | > Simon........oh and don't ask about mudgaurds (fenders)
> |
> | Get over it already.
> |
>
> Whats kindergarten is like an english "nursery"
>
> Simon.....lighten up Mr.Bomba your seriousness detector is broken.

No, it was your seriousness detector that was broken when you started the 'fender' debate. It would
appear that you're still having problems with it.

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Shaun Rimmer wrote:

> brats, and I've had just about enough of your petty minded, childish, bickering nonsense.

Ooooohhhh! Who died and made you moderator?

To use one of Huw's pics: http://b3ta.pritch.co.uk/shoptrol.gif

on ;p

> Shaun aRe - Or i'll knock yer bloody heads together. Kids!

Guess you'll be having kids soon. Although obviously not in the same way that led to your last
restraining order...

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