Good bad weather gear cables (UK)?

Howdo you 'orrible lot,

I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so far.
The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed, self lubing 'extreme weather'
things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up against), and they were ****. Utter
crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble, while they lasted.

What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the time (most rides here are at
least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to not spend silly money on
something 'shiny', 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent cables.

Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly fits
the description?

TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!

Shaun aRe

"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Howdo you 'orrible lot,
>
> I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so
> far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed, self lubing 'extreme
> weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up against), and they were
> ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble, while they lasted.
>
> What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the time (most rides here are at
> least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to not spend silly money on
> something 'shiny', 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent cables.
>
> Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> fits the description?
>
> TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
>
>
> Shaun aRe
>
Don't waste money on the Avid cables and housing. I was not happy with them in dry Colorado and just
went back to the cheap Shimano. I hear the Gore system is nice, but for my money, I'll just replace
everything once or twice a year with the cheaper Shimano stuff.

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove .nospam. if replying)

"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
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|
| Howdo you 'orrible lot,
|
| I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so
| far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed, self lubing 'extreme
| weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up against), and they were
| ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble, while they lasted.
|
| What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the time (most rides here are at
| least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to not spend silly money on
| something 'shiny', 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent cables.
|
| Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
| fits the description?
|
| TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
|

Gore Ride-on cables. Period. Install them by the book and no worries. The cable itself is truly
sealed from shifter to derailleur, no overlapping sleeves or crap like that. My Big Sur has a 6 y/o
set on it (that I installed for the original owner, a noted bike abuser.) The only reason I had to
replace the brake cable set was due to switching to V brakes from cantis.

---
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On Wed, 7 May 2003 12:09:33 -0400, "Nelson Binch" <intergalax@prodigy.net> blathered:

>| I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so
>| far. Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even
>| nearly fits the description?

>Gore Ride-on cables.

Used to swear by these, but I mainly swore at the last three sets, which all got thrown away
prematurely. Problem was the sheath kept getting pulled into the shifter mechanism and mangled
- to the extent I would've lost my shifting if I hadn't had the friction shift option you get
with thumbies.

Not impressed with the Nokon cables; lots of 'cable stretch' due to the metal beads bedding in
together - and I mean LOTS...like, make-sure-you-carry-a-pair-of-pliers lots.

XTR is the way to go, run from the shifter to the mech so the only way crap can get in is at each
end. I've had no problems since I started doing this in January, although admittedly it's been a dry
3-4 months.

Pete
----
http://www.btinternet.com/~peteajones/

"Pete Jones" <peteajones@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 7 May 2003 12:09:33 -0400, "Nelson Binch" <intergalax@prodigy.net> blathered:
|
| >| I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
what
| >| I've come across so far. Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d)
| >| anything that even nearly fits the description?
|
| >Gore Ride-on cables.
|
| Used to swear by these, but I mainly swore at the last three sets, which all got thrown away
| prematurely. Problem was the sheath kept getting pulled into the shifter mechanism and mangled -
| to the extent I would've lost my shifting if I hadn't had the friction shift option you get with
| thumbies.

Some later batches lost the flare at the end of the plastic tubing that prevented this. I have no
idea why. The cure is to heat the point of an ordinary nail with a lighter, then touch the tubing to
it, creating the flair.

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On Wed, 7 May 2003 13:11:04 -0400, "Nelson Binch" <intergalax@prodigy.net> blathered:

>| >| I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
>what
>| >| I've come across so far. Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d)
>| >| anything that even nearly fits the description?
>|
>| >Gore Ride-on cables.
>|
>| Used to swear by these, but I mainly swore at the last three sets

>Some later batches lost the flare at the end of the plastic tubing that prevented this. I have no
>idea why. The cure is to heat the point of an ordinary nail with a lighter, then touch the tubing
>to it, creating the flair.

Good tip; if that works I'd go for the G-tex. I had one set that outlasted three rear mechs.

Pete
----
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> Howdo you 'orrible lot,
>
> I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so
> far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed, self lubing 'extreme
> weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up against), and they were
> ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble, while they lasted.
>
> What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the time (most rides here are at
> least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to not spend silly money on
> something 'shiny', 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent cables.
>
> Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> fits the description?
>
> TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
>
>
> Shaun aRe

the gear pod to the mech. No bare cable means no **** getting in. Apply zip ties liberally and be
happy. Sorted.

Small Black Dog

On Wed, 7 May 2003 16:33:22 +0100, "Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote:

>
>Howdo you 'orrible lot,
>
>I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of what I've come across so far.
snip
>
>What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the time (most rides here are at
>least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to not spend silly money on
>something 'shiny', 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent cables.
>
>Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
>fits the description?
>
>TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
>
>
>Shaun aRe
>
I've been using and impressed by Transfil Flying Snake cables, same principles as Avid Flak Jackets,
but work better, may not fit with criteria of "silly money" (22 notes a set) but have resisted
downland chalk slurry, hard welded sheep ****e and clay with no ill effects cheers Martin

Craig Brossman <craigbrossman@star.nospam.band.net> wrote in message
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> "Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b9b8u3$hjosh$1@ID-170198.news.dfncis.de...

> > What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
time
> > (most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
> > not spend silly money on something
'shiny',
> > 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
cables.
> >
> > Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> > fits the description?
> >
> > TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
> >
> Don't waste money on the Avid cables and housing. I was not happy with
them
> in dry Colorado and just went back to the cheap Shimano.

Yup - aware of the probs associated with the Avids. Cheers.

> I hear the Gore system is nice,

OK - I'll look at prices for those.

> but for my money, I'll just replace everything once or twice a year with the cheaper
> Shimano stuff.

Doesn't work that way for me I'm afraid - they just don't last that long, and performance suffers
quite a bit after just a month or two in these conditions.

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

Nelson Binch <intergalax@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> "Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b9b8u3$hjosh$1@ID-170198.news.dfncis.de...
> |
> | Howdo you 'orrible lot,
> |
> | I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
what
> | I've come across so far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed,
> | self lubing 'extreme weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up
> | against), and they were ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble,
> | while they lasted.
> |
> | What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
time
> | (most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
> | not spend silly money on something
'shiny',
> | 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
cables.
> |
> | Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> | fits the description?
> |
> | TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
> |
>
> Gore Ride-on cables. Period. Install them by the book and no worries.
The
> cable itself is truly sealed from shifter to derailleur, no overlapping sleeves or crap like that.
> My Big Sur has a 6 y/o set on it (that I installed for the original owner, a noted bike abuser.)
> The only reason I had to replace the brake cable set was due to switching to V brakes from cantis.

OK - another vote for the Gores.

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

Small Black Dog <schipperke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > Howdo you 'orrible lot,
> >
> > I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
what
> > I've come across so far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed,
> > self lubing 'extreme weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up
> > against), and they were ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble,
> > while they lasted.
> >
> > What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
time
> > (most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
> > not spend silly money on something
'shiny',
> > 'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
cables.
> >
> > Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> > fits the description?
> >
> > TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>

from
> the gear pod to the mech. No bare cable means no **** getting in. Apply
zip
> ties liberally and be happy. Sorted.

I already have my rear mech (the problem one) cable in 2 sections only - zip tied right past the
last guide. Nothing gets in along the top tube end that has caused me probs, only down at the rear
mech itself, and yes, the mech is a rubber booted one.

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

<Martin@MandMLowe.dmcdial.net> wrote in message news:sqpibvckpdodl5shnhh6paej3ae0vuihvm@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 May 2003 16:33:22 +0100, "Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote:

> >What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
time
> >(most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
> >not spend silly money on something
'shiny',
> >'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
cables.
> >
> >Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
> >fits the description?
> >
> >TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
> >
> >
> >Shaun aRe
> >
> I've been using and impressed by Transfil Flying Snake cables, same principles as Avid Flak
> Jackets, but work better, may not fit with criteria of "silly money" (22 notes a set) but have
> resisted downland chalk slurry, hard welded sheep ****e and clay with no ill effects cheers Martin

Never heard of these - I'll look 'em up. How long have you been running this set?

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

Pete Jones <peteajones@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 May 2003 12:09:33 -0400, "Nelson Binch" <intergalax@prodigy.net> blathered:
>
> >| I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
what
> >| I've come across so far. Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d)
> >| anything that even nearly fits the description?
>
> >Gore Ride-on cables.
>
> Used to swear by these, but I mainly swore at the last three sets, which all got thrown away
> prematurely. Problem was the sheath kept getting pulled into the shifter mechanism and mangled -
> to the extent I would've lost my shifting if I hadn't had the friction shift option you get with
> thumbies.

Hmmmm........

> Not impressed with the Nokon cables; lots of 'cable stretch' due to the metal beads bedding in
> together - and I mean LOTS...like, make-sure-you-carry-a-pair-of-pliers lots.
>
> XTR is the way to go, run from the shifter to the mech so the only way crap can get in is at each
> end. I've had no problems since I started doing this in January, although admittedly it's been a
> dry 3-4 months.

I take it the XTR's are pricey? I'll try and find time to Google 'em.

Cheers!

Shaun aRe

Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> Craig Brossman <craigbrossman@star.nospam.band.net> wrote in message
> news:9W9ua.415$r54.206858309@twister2.starband.net...
>
>>"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:b9b8u3$hjosh$1@ID-170198.news.dfncis.de...
>
>
>>>What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
>
> time
>
>>>(most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
>>>not spend silly money on something
>
> 'shiny',
>
>>>'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
>
> cables.
>
>>>Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
>>>fits the description?
>>>
>>>TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
>>>
>>>
>>>Shaun aRe
>>>
>>
>>Don't waste money on the Avid cables and housing. I was not happy with
>
> them
>
>>in dry Colorado and just went back to the cheap Shimano.
>
>
> Yup - aware of the probs associated with the Avids. Cheers.
>
>
>>I hear the Gore system is nice,
>
>
> OK - I'll look at prices for those.
>
>
>>but for my money, I'll just replace everything once or twice a year with the cheaper
>>Shimano stuff.
>
>
> Doesn't work that way for me I'm afraid - they just don't last that long, and performance suffers
> quite a bit after just a month or two in these conditions.

Have you tried Shimano's (XTR?) cable seals? They're only $6 here in the states and they work ok for
me -- probably not as much rain as you
. Just don't make the mistake that I did and assume that they last
forever. You need to check the rubber tips for wear when you replace a cable.

David

Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> Small Black Dog <schipperke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:b9bof1$phf$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
>>>Howdo you 'orrible lot,
>>>
>>>I am in need of some gear cables (inners and outers), and I'm sick of
>
> what
>
>>>I've come across so far. The last ones I'd bought (Clarks Clim-8) were supposedly good, sealed,
>>>self lubing 'extreme weather' things, made in England (so they knew what weather they were up
>>>against), and they were ****. Utter crap - even the cheapest Shimano ones gave me less trouble,
>>>while they lasted.
>>>
>>>What I need, are a set that won't let in crappy mud and water all the
>
> time
>
>>>(most rides here are at least wet), and that won't need constant maintenance. I'd also like to
>>>not spend silly money on something
>
> 'shiny',
>
>>>'HI-TECH', or any other hype - just want some good, honest, decent
>
> cables.
>
>>>Any of you folks who ride in the same general conditions I do, use(d) anything that even nearly
>>>fits the description?
>>>
>>>TIA for you kind and sagely knowledge, errmm, good people!
>>>
>>>
>>>Shaun aRe
>>

>
> from
>
>>the gear pod to the mech. No bare cable means no **** getting in. Apply
>
> zip
>
>>ties liberally and be happy. Sorted.
>
>
> I already have my rear mech (the problem one) cable in 2 sections only - zip tied right past the
> last guide. Nothing gets in along the top tube end that has caused me probs, only down at the rear
> mech itself, and yes, the mech is a rubber booted one.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Shaun aRe

If it's getting in at the mech, I'd vote for GoreTex RideOn. I went to them for my rear disc
(mechanicals) and so far it's working great -- and we've had LOTS of rain this spring .

David