October 24, 1999 Dinesh Desai 26 O'Farrell Street 4th Floor San Francisco, California 94108
Ridgetrail@aol.com

Re: The Bay Area Ridge Trail

Dear Sir:

The Bay Area Ridge Trail project is very misguided! Aren't you happy that humans already
overrun and dominate 99% of the wildlife habitat that once existed in the Bay Area? Why do
you want to take more open space away from wildlife, and subject it to more "industrial
grade" recreation (mountain biking, horseback riding, etc.)???

You should be ashamed of yourselves! I know you are not. You are probably congratulating
yourselves on the wonderful work you are doing, providing more playgrounds for humans. But
wildlife, if they know how, are crying.

How about using your organization to do something worthwhile: buy up wildlife habitat, and
make it off-limits to people. Now there is a project worth donating to!

Sincerely,

Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.

P.S. Ridge tops and similar areas that are relatively inaccessible to people are for that reason
very important to wildlife. Think a little! Think about things from wildlife's point of view….
And why would I want to donate my hard-earned dollars to create yet another human playground,
when raw nature is far superior to anything that we can create?!

References:

Mountain Biking Symposium Proceedings. Vancouver, BC: Outdoor Recreation Council of British
Columbia, c.1990.

Photos of mountain bikers destroying Joaquin Miller Park:
http://www.photographyreview.com/vie...sages/260.html

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande (including photos of mountain bike damage at Mammoth Ski Resort)

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com>...
> October 24, 1999 Dinesh Desai 26 O'Farrell Street 4th Floor San Francisco, California 94108
> Ridgetrail@aol.com
>
> Re: The Bay Area Ridge Trail
>
> Dear Sir:
>
> The Bay Area Ridge Trail project is very misguided! Aren't you happy that humans already
> overrun and dominate 99% of the wildlife habitat that once existed in the Bay Area? Why do
> you want to take more open space away from wildlife, and subject it to more "industrial
> grade" recreation (mountain biking, horseback riding, etc.)???
>
> You should be ashamed of yourselves! I know you are not. You are probably congratulating
> yourselves on the wonderful work you are doing, providing more playgrounds for humans. But
> wildlife, if they know how, are crying.
>
> How about using your organization to do something worthwhile: buy up wildlife habitat, and
> make it off-limits to people. Now there is a project worth donating to!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
>
> P.S. Ridge tops and similar areas that are relatively inaccessible to people are for that reason
> very important to wildlife. Think a little! Think about things from wildlife's point of
> view?. And why would I want to donate my hard-earned dollars to create yet another human
> playground, when raw nature is far superior to anything that we can create?!
>
> References:
>
> Mountain Biking Symposium Proceedings. Vancouver, BC: Outdoor Recreation Council of British
> Columbia, c.1990.
>
> Photos of mountain bikers destroying Joaquin Miller Park:
> http://www.photographyreview.com/vie...sages/260.html
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande (including photos of mountain bike damage at Mammoth Ski Resort)
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
> help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I think I know why this guy is so rotten: he can't ride. That's it - he can't ride a mountain bike.
He musta endo'd or puked after a long climb or, or, or I know - his buddies got tired of his whining
and dropped his punk ass then it started raining and he was lost and started crying. That's it he
can't ride! Sissy pants...Sissy pants...TeeHeeHee!

Kebin says:

<snip>

Kevin, while MV may be a PITA, he is at least amusing at times. You're not, after the second reading
of the same drivel

Steve

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com>...
> October 24, 1999 Dinesh Desai 26 O'Farrell Street 4th Floor San Francisco, California 94108
> Ridgetrail@aol.com
>
> Re: The Bay Area Ridge Trail
>
> Dear Sir:
<snip>

You should be ashamed to post a ~4 year old letter, that addresses a project that was more than 11
years old at the time you wrote the letter. Come on doc the Ridge Trail Project recieved federal
funding in 1988. The project is right in "your back yard" and you didn't find time to speak out
against it for 11 years. By the time you wrote your letter the trail was already ~210 miles long.
What took you so long?

R

On 7 Dec 2003 12:19:19 -0800, reco_diver@hotmail.com (Reco Diver) wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com>... .> October 24, 1999 .> Dinesh Desai .> 26
O'Farrell Street .> 4th Floor .> San Francisco, California 94108 .> Ridgetrail@aol.com .> .> Re: The
Bay Area Ridge Trail .> .> Dear Sir: .<snip> . .You should be ashamed to post a ~4 year old letter,
that addresses a .project that was more than 11 years old at the time you wrote the .letter. Come on
doc the Ridge Trail Project recieved federal funding .in 1988. The project is right in "your back
yard" and you didn't find .time to speak out against it for 11 years. By the time you wrote your
.letter the trail was already ~210 miles long. What took you so long?

What's you (irrelevant) point?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote: <crap>
> What's you (irrelevant) point?
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
> help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

You broke a grammar rule, Mike! You are therefore an idiot and full of BS. FU.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<b908tv4d9v5uq29f91rjquml48dnublbh6@4ax.com>...
> On 7 Dec 2003 12:19:19 -0800, reco_diver@hotmail.com (Reco Diver) wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:<9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com>... .> October 24, 1999 .> Dinesh Desai .> 26
> O'Farrell Street .> 4th Floor .> San Francisco, California 94108 .> Ridgetrail@aol.com .> .> Re:
> The Bay Area Ridge Trail .> .> Dear Sir: .<snip> . .You should be ashamed to post a ~4 year old
> letter, that addresses a .project that was more than 11 years old at the time you wrote the
> .letter. Come on doc the Ridge Trail Project recieved federal funding .in 1988. The project is
> right in "your back yard" and you didn't find .time to speak out against it for 11 years. By the
> time you wrote your .letter the trail was already ~210 miles long. What took you so long?
>
> What's you (irrelevant) point?

My point, irrelevant or not, is that if you were "dedicated, diligent, well-prepared, tenacious, and
reliable," you would have spoken earlier.

But why didn't you speak earlier? You were in the Bay Area when the planning process began. Public
debate and hearings (Public access through private property along the Waterman gap area etc.) were
taking place almost a decade (1979) before Federal funding was aquired. Yet you couldn't find time
to speak out about your concerns until the project was more than half completed?

R

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com...

Snip

> donating to!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
>
> P.S. Ridge tops 'snip'

Have you noticed how Vandbloke has to keep putting "PS"'s at the end of his diatribes that he sends
to various unsuspecting soles? A PS was used when writing on paper to add comments after you had
signed it. Putting a PS on an email or a letter written on a word processor would indicate a lack of
planning and forethought by the writer. I think a PH.d (real or FAKE) should know better.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:08:19 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Spence"
<mike.spence@lineone.net> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com... . . .Snip . .> donating to! .> .> Sincerely, .>
.> .> .> Michael J. Vandeman, .> Ph.D. .> .> P.S. Ridge tops 'snip' . .Have you noticed how
Vandbloke has to keep putting "PS"'s at the end of his .diatribes that he sends to various
unsuspecting soles? A PS was used when .writing on paper to add comments after you had signed it.
Putting a PS on .an email or a letter written on a word processor would indicate a lack of .planning
and forethought by the writer. I think a PH.d (real or FAKE) .should know better.

I do know better. A P.S. also gets more attention than a letter, so it's good to use a P.S. Sorry if
that is over your head.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1j3auvciuqb7mb6a87ge98ci4koc2enn21@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:08:19 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Spence" <mike.spence@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> . ."Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> .news:9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com... . .Have you noticed how Vandbloke has to keep
> putting "PS"'s at the end of
his
> .diatribes that he sends to various unsuspecting soles? A PS was used
when
> .writing on paper to add comments after you had signed it. Putting a PS
on
> .an email or a letter written on a word processor would indicate a lack of .planning and
> forethought by the writer. I think a PH.d (real or FAKE) .should know better.
>
> I do know better. A P.S. also gets more attention than a letter, so it's
good to
> use a P.S. Sorry if that is over your head.
> ===
Ah, OK now I understand.

Mike

PS. Vandeman, GO AWAY!

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:37:31 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Spence"
<mike.spence@fakeaddylineone.net> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:1j3auvciuqb7mb6a87ge98ci4koc2enn21@4ax.com... .> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:08:19 +0000 (UTC),
"Mike Spence" .> <mike.spence@lineone.net> wrote: .> .> . .> ."Mike Vandeman"
<mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message .> .news:9ts3tvco1nadk2jakf5u010f3p5bdmt1j0@4ax.com... .> .
.> .Have you noticed how Vandbloke has to keep putting "PS"'s at the end of .his .> .diatribes
that he sends to various unsuspecting soles? A PS was used .when .> .writing on paper to add
comments after you had signed it. Putting a PS .on .> .an email or a letter written on a word
processor would indicate a lack of .> .planning and forethought by the writer. I think a PH.d
(real or FAKE) .> .should know better. .> .> I do know better. A P.S. also gets more attention
than a letter, so it's .good to .> use a P.S. Sorry if that is over your head. .> === .Ah, OK now
I understand. . .Mike . .PS. Vandeman, GO AWAY! .

P.P.S. No.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande