RR: ER visit

Sun. Morning 11am. Its a beautiful 73F day in Central Texas. My two kids Jenn and Josh are with me
as we pull up to the trailhead. As I'm getting my daughters bike ready Josh quickly readies his and
starts warming up. I notice out of the corner of my eye as he starts jumping a small hump close by
and riding up and down some steep stuff. I think he was showing off in front of his sister. I told
him on the way down to watch his descents and speed and not get to crazy. We start off down the road
since I wanted my daughter (14yrs.) to get used to shifting and braking since she hasn't been on a
bike for a while. I planned a fairly easy route with a couple of camel humps on it. Josh is mashing
up front and Jenn is behind me. We get on the trail and not far ahead is the first jump. This can be
easily traversed if you take it slow. It starts off mostly level with a slight hump then drops
gradually about 5 foot. You can get big air if you hit it fast. With Josh in front I crest the
camel's hump and see him there laying on the ground making this repetitive hideous noise. I tell him
to get up and quite messing around thinking he was trying to psyc. out his sister. Further
inspection revealed blood coming out his ear and eyes rolled behind his lids. My heart sank and the
adrenalin kicked in. I quickly dismounted and started talking to him. He was incoherent. Jenn seeing
everything starts to throw up off to the side. His eyes came back to normal and he started to move.
He still didn't know where he was. He started asking what happened. After further inspection I see
the blood in his ear is only from scratches. He said he couldn't see. I tried to get him to remain
calm asking where else it hurt. He said his neck and back. I could only see scrapes and dirt but no
ugly bumps or dislocations. Getting him to be still would prove impossible as he got up and tried to
walk. His biggest complaint was that it was hard to breath. I asked again where his worst pain was
and he said his ear. A local stopped to assist and I road about
1/4 mi. to get the truck and I prayed on the way. He was talking more when I got back and said he
wanted to walk in. We started to the truck and he got short of breath again so we put him on the
bike and pushed him in. I didn't like moving him but he seemed to be coming around a lot better.
We went to the ER and took x-rays of the neck and back just to be sure. The doc said no
concussion or spinal problems, no broken bones. He got the wind knocked out of him pretty good
and landed sideways on his head and shoulder. I'll imagine he will be pretty sore for the next
few days. I've never been fond of getting air on jumps or humps. One of our local racers just got
a Grade 3 separation for exactly the same reason. I need to explain XC riding a little better to
my son who must have been hearing "Extreem Mtb." I think he was showing off for his sister but
shhh don't tell her.

I think his sister might be traumatized for life on her return to Mtbing. Lets hope not.

Cleanbean and Jumpingbean and Jennbean

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sun. Morning 11am. Its a beautiful 73F day in Central Texas. My two kids Jenn and Josh are with me
> as we pull up to the trailhead. As I'm getting
my
> daughters bike ready Josh quickly readies his and starts warming up. I notice out of the corner of
> my eye as he starts jumping a small hump close by and riding up and down some steep stuff. I think
> he was showing off in front of his sister. I told him on the way down to watch his descents and
> speed and not get to crazy. We start off down the road since I wanted my daughter (14yrs.) to get
> used to shifting and braking since she hasn't
been
> on a bike for a while. I planned a fairly easy route with a couple of camel humps on it. Josh is
> mashing up front and Jenn is behind me. We
get
> on the trail and not far ahead is the first jump. This can be easily traversed if you take it
> slow. It starts off mostly level with a slight hump then drops gradually about 5 foot. You can get
> big air if you hit
it
> fast. With Josh in front I crest the camel's hump and see him there
laying
> on the ground making this repetitive hideous noise. I tell him to get up and quite messing around
> thinking he was trying to psyc. out his sister. Further inspection revealed blood coming out his
> ear and eyes rolled
behind
> his lids. My heart sank and the adrenalin kicked in. I quickly
dismounted
> and started talking to him. He was incoherent. Jenn seeing everything starts to throw up off to
> the side. His eyes came back to normal and he started to move. He still didn't know where he was.
> He started asking
what
> happened. After further inspection I see the blood in his ear is only from scratches. He said he
> couldn't see. I tried to get him to remain calm asking where else it hurt. He said his neck and
> back. I could only see scrapes and dirt but no ugly bumps or dislocations. Getting him to be
still
> would prove impossible as he got up and tried to walk. His biggest complaint was that it was hard
> to breath. I asked again where his worst pain was and he said his ear. A local stopped to assist
> and I road about
> 1/4 mi. to get the truck and I prayed on the way. He was talking more
when
> I got back and said he wanted to walk in. We started to the truck and he got short of breath again
> so we put him on the bike and pushed him in. I didn't like moving him but he seemed to be coming
> around a lot better. We went to the ER and took x-rays of the neck and back just to be sure. The
> doc said no concussion or spinal problems, no broken bones. He got the
wind
> knocked out of him pretty good and landed sideways on his head and
shoulder.
> I'll imagine he will be pretty sore for the next few days. I've never
been
> fond of getting air on jumps or humps. One of our local racers just got a Grade 3 separation for
> exactly the same reason. I need to explain XC
riding
> a little better to my son who must have been hearing "Extreem Mtb." I
think
> he was showing off for his sister but shhh don't tell her.
>
> I think his sister might be traumatized for life on her return to Mtbing. Lets hope not.
>
> Cleanbean and Jumpingbean and Jennbean

Damn scary story, JCB -- sure glad it turned out to be not-too-serious!

Bill "hope your daughter gets back out there!" S.

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>... The doc said no concussion

He may have said it, but that doesn't make it so.

http://www.uvm.edu/~aicarlso/Concussion.htm

Glad your son is OK.

"David" <my_usenet_acct@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >... The doc said no concussion
>
> He may have said it, but that doesn't make it so.
>
> http://www.uvm.edu/~aicarlso/Concussion.htm
>
> Glad your son is OK.
>
I hear you David. We are watching him close. I know that some of his systems must have been
truamatized the way he blacked out.

Cleanbean

Cleanbean wrote:

> Sun. Morning 11am. Its a beautiful 73F day in Central Texas. My two kids Jenn and Josh are with me
> as we pull up to the trailhead. As I'm getting my daughters bike ready Josh quickly readies his
> and starts warming up. I notice out of the corner of my eye as he starts jumping a small hump
> close by and riding up and down some steep stuff. I think he was showing off in front of his
> sister. I told him on the way down to watch his descents and speed and not get to crazy. We start
> off down the road since I wanted my daughter (14yrs.) to get used to shifting and braking since
> she hasn't been on a bike for a while. I planned a fairly easy route with a couple of camel humps
> on it. Josh is mashing up front and Jenn is behind me. We get on the trail and not far ahead is
> the first jump. This can be easily traversed if you take it slow. It starts off mostly level with
> a slight hump then drops gradually about 5 foot. You can get big air if you hit it fast. With Josh
> in front I crest the camel's hump and see him there laying on the ground making this repetitive
> hideous noise. I tell him to get up and quite messing around thinking he was trying to psyc. out
> his sister. Further inspection revealed blood coming out his ear and eyes rolled behind his lids.
> My heart sank and the adrenalin kicked in. I quickly dismounted and started talking to him. He was
> incoherent. Jenn seeing everything starts to throw up off to the side. His eyes came back to
> normal and he started to move. He still didn't know where he was. He started asking what happened.
> After further inspection I see the blood in his ear is only from scratches. He said he couldn't
> see. I tried to get him to remain calm asking where else it hurt. He said his neck and back. I
> could only see scrapes and dirt but no ugly bumps or dislocations. Getting him to be still would
> prove impossible as he got up and tried to walk. His biggest complaint was that it was hard to
> breath. I asked again where his worst pain was and he said his ear. A local stopped to assist and
> I road about
> 1/4 mi. to get the truck and I prayed on the way. He was talking more when I got back and said he
> wanted to walk in. We started to the truck and he got short of breath again so we put him on the
> bike and pushed him in. I didn't like moving him but he seemed to be coming around a lot better.
> We went to the ER and took x-rays of the neck and back just to be sure. The doc said no
> concussion or spinal problems, no broken bones. He got the wind knocked out of him pretty good
> and landed sideways on his head and shoulder. I'll imagine he will be pretty sore for the next
> few days. I've never been fond of getting air on jumps or humps. One of our local racers just
> got a Grade 3 separation for exactly the same reason. I need to explain XC riding a little
> better to my son who must have been hearing "Extreem Mtb." I think he was showing off for his
> sister but shhh don't tell her.
>
> I think his sister might be traumatized for life on her return to Mtbing. Lets hope not.
>
> Cleanbean and Jumpingbean and Jennbean

Dang! I am glad to hear he is ok.

Jimbo(san)

Bean, Glad to hear he's OK. I know that feeling of "Ohmigosh, that's my kid lying
there......." Too well.

Steve

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:46:23 GMT, "Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

glad he's okay,

bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sun. Morning 11am. Its a beautiful 73F day in Central Texas.

-Snip unscheduled ER visit!-

Dang bean, very sorry to hear that. Glad to hear he is o.k.

Very scary from a parental point of view...

Dave (ouch too!)

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Cleanbean and Jumpingbean and Jennbean
>
>
Sounds rough, I hope he is both OK and confident to go back out again soon. Kids are tough!
--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

David wrote:
> "Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zyA%9.23615$2y.1182180@twister.austin.rr.com...
>
>>... The doc said no concussion
>
>
> He may have said it, but that doesn't make it so.

No kidding. got a concussion (albeit minor, enough to kill my memory of the event and kill my
short-medium term memory for a while) in 4th grade.... the nurse told me to go to sleep because I
didn't have a concussion.

I'd go to a specialist, and do try to monitor him while he sleeps. If he hit himself hard enough
that he had temporary amnesia (or permanent, like I had above) then its not a far shot at all to say
he probably got a concussion. That and being knocked out, incoherent, and whatnot... not good signs.

> http://www.uvm.edu/~aicarlso/Concussion.htm
>
> Glad your son is OK.

Here's wishing for a fast recovery, for him AND your daughter.

Jon "C" Bond

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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><snip> fast. With Josh in front I crest the camel's hump and see him there
laying
> on the ground making this repetitive hideous noise. I tell him to get up and quite messing around
> thinking he was trying to psyc. out his sister. Further inspection revealed blood coming out his
> ear and eyes rolled
behind
> his lids.

Wow. That would really freak me out. It's what I used to do to my parents. Glad it all came out OK,
but keep an eye on him just to be sure. Hopefully a good lesson for them both but not a total
deterrent from the sport. Nice job with the quick, cool reaction!

Matt

Cleanbean wrote:
> Sun. Morning 11am.

<phew> that was a close one! Luckily kids heal fast. and those "permanent emotional scars" _do_ also
heal over time, (Or so I'm told by my therapist ;-)

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| I think his sister might be traumatized for life on her return to Mtbing. Lets hope not.
|
| Cleanbean and Jumpingbean and Jennbean

Glad to hear he is okay. I have 16, 13 and 4 year olds to look after and its tough at times on the
heart (btw they came with the better half). Our 4 year old watches bmx and motocross rather than
nick junior and is already trying to get air and its scarey as hell. But I wont stop her, I think if
one can have a basic grasp of all disciplines (Xc, downhill, jump, road, freeride, street) it allows
for greater control overall.

Maybe ask your son, when he feels better, if he was actualy trying to jump. If the answer is yes
then look for a local club or teach him the basics yourself. Then next time he should catch air and
land with perfection.

Simon....am i rambling again?

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sun. Morning 11am. Its a beautiful 73F day in Central Texas. My two kids Jenn and Josh are with me
> as we pull up to the trailhead. As I'm getting my daughters bike ready Josh quickly readies his
> and starts warming up. I notice out of the corner of my eye as he starts jumping a small hump
> close by and riding up and down some steep stuff. I think he was showing off in front of his
> sister. I told him on the way down to watch his descents and speed and not get to crazy. We start
> off down the road since I wanted my daughter (14yrs.) to get used to shifting and braking since
> she hasn't been on a bike for a while. I planned a fairly easy route with a couple of camel humps
> on it. Josh is mashing up front and Jenn is behind me. We get on the trail and not far ahead is
> the first jump. This can be easily traversed if you take it slow. It starts off mostly level with
> a slight hump then drops gradually about 5 foot. You can get big air if you hit it fast. With Josh
> in front I crest the camel's hump and see him there laying on the ground making this repetitive
> hideous noise. I tell him to get up and quite messing around thinking he was trying to psyc. out
> his sister. Further inspection revealed blood coming out his ear and eyes rolled behind his lids.\

Most accidents occur within 100 yards of the parking lot. When he recovers, she'll probably follow
suit. Score one for adolscent resiliency.

JD

"Cleanbean" <johnbeannospam61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>

<snip lame whining & rationalizing>

sounds like child abuse to me