SevenCycles "Duo" - URT?

Pic sort of looks like it....

http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html
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PeteCresswell

(Pete Cresswell) wrote:
> Pic sort of looks like it....
>
> http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html

Looks like a Klein too ;-)
http://www.kleinbikes.com/us/mountai..._xx/index.html

Did you see on the seven site were it says the bike's meant for "XC Epic and Freeriding"? Yup, I'm
gonna huck my Ti $7000 XC bike off a cliff. Sure,, yeah, uh huh!

Shawn C.

P.S. These and Maverick bikes all are using Paul Turner's "Maverick" suspension design.
http://www.maverickamerican.com/

"(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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> Pic sort of looks like it....
>
> http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html
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> PeteCresswell

Maverick rear suspension link - the BB is actually in the middle of "monolink", which connects the
front triangle to the and the shock is a structural member. Makes a pretty nice ride.

I just found out my TA for my CNC shop worked/works for seven... he's brining in his maverick fork
for me to drool over monday. I'm trying to work that a little bit to get an internship, sponsorship
for my team, or even just a factory tour... 'cause that'd be hot.

Jon Bond

RE/
>Maverick rear suspension link - the BB is actually in the middle of "monolink", which connects the
>front triangle to the and the shock is a structural member. Makes a pretty nice ride.

Does that mean the chain remains the same length as the sus works?
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"(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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> RE/
> >Maverick rear suspension link - the BB is actually in the middle of "monolink", which connects
> >the front triangle to the and the shock is a structural member. Makes a pretty nice ride.
>
> Does that mean the chain remains the same length as the sus works?
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> PeteCresswell

Nope. The BB is in the middle of the link, so it does change some.

Here's a decent look at the link and BB hole from maverick's website:

http://www.maverickamerican.com/imag...k_pressure.jpg

and a bare frame for the whole picture:

http://www.maverickamerican.com/imag..._black_med.jpg

and look, even an annoying animated gif of it in action:

http://www.maverickamerican.com/imag...kanimation.gif

there's more info at http://www.maverickamerican.com/ too.

The ride is pretty sweet - but they're expensive. The klein is the cheapest, but I didn't like the
geometry much, so I went with the blur. If you're looking for a sweet trail bike though, and don't
mind spending a bit of cash, the monolink system is pretty damn sweet.

Jon Bond

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:56:02 GMT, "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:

>Pic sort of looks like it....
>
>http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html

If anybody plunks down 3 to 7 grand for this hyped up POS they're out of their friggin mind!

MY GOD, SHIRLEY YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS THAT BALL IS CLEARLY LONG! This type of marketing and wild
abandon consumerism is just simply ridiculous. This bike can not possibly be worth it. I could
probably slap together a Walgoose for 1/8th the cost and ride it once or twice, much like 7 grand
model will be ridden, be just as happy.

Have people completely lost their minds? Who are the idiots who pay that much for a bike that
probably gets ridden 4 to 5 times a year? Please, speak up I really want to know. I'm callin you
out, your time has come.

What is happening to MTBing?!

Am I obsessing over the ignorance of others? Perhaps, but damn c'mon who buys that crap? I just
can't seem to let stupidity go without a rant or two. I swear I try and work on it...promise.

Peace, Bill(back to the basics where I belong)Wheeler ...one speed to rule them all, one speed to
find them, one speed to bring them all and on the trails pass them In the Land of Avalon where the
geared pigs lie...

Same idea as the I-drive. Seems like having the bottom bracket part of the rear triangle defeats the
rear suspension.

"(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:iksq20l059f37frc00tvt5usi1jmmkou8l@4ax.com...
> Pic sort of looks like it....
>
> http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html
> --
> PeteCresswell

Dean A. Stepper wrote:
> Same idea as the I-drive. Seems like having the bottom bracket part of the rear triangle defeats
> the rear suspension.

Actually, I've never really heard anyone complain about the ride quality of the i-drive. Believe me,
I would never encourage anyone to buy one, but I've had a hell of time convincing some of my friends
not to buy one after they've hopped on mine.
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Slacker

Shawn Curry wrote:
> (Pete Cresswell) wrote:
>
>> Pic sort of looks like it....
>>
>> http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html
>
>
> Looks like a Klein too ;-)
> http://www.kleinbikes.com/us/mountai..._xx/index.html
>
> Did you see on the seven site were it says the bike's meant for "XC Epic and Freeriding"? Yup, I'm
> gonna huck my Ti $7000 XC bike off a cliff. Sure,, yeah, uh huh!
>
> Shawn C.
>
> P.S. These and Maverick bikes all are using Paul Turner's "Maverick" suspension design.
> http://www.maverickamerican.com/
>

Bleck. People never learn.

Greg

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"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

Bill Wheeler <billwheeler@mtbingrocks.net> wrote:

> >http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html

> Have people completely lost their minds? Who are the idiots who pay that much for a bike that
> probably gets ridden 4 to 5 times a year? Please, speak up I really want to know. I'm callin you
> out, your time has come.

Relax, Bill. It's just a damn bike. People pay lots of money for a Rolex even though a Timex keeps
just time just as well. (Watch some Rolex guy flame me.) It doesn't hurt anyone and keeps a few
boutique watchmakers or framebuilders in business.

> What is happening to MTBing?!

Uh, nothing. It isn't about the bike, it's about the ride, right? It's not like expensive MTB
jewelry is anything new - like CNC-machined cranks. At least the Seven will probably last longer.

> Am I obsessing over the ignorance of others? Perhaps, but damn c'mon who buys that crap? I just
> can't seem to let stupidity go without a rant or two. I swear I try and work on it...promise.

I wouldn't buy one in a hundred years, but it's no skin off my nose if someone else does. It's not
like they took it away from me.

"Slacker" <slacker7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Dean A. Stepper wrote:
> > Same idea as the I-drive. Seems like having the bottom bracket part of the rear triangle defeats
> > the rear suspension.
>
>
> Actually, I've never really heard anyone complain about the ride quality
of
> the i-drive. Believe me, I would never encourage anyone to buy one, but
I've
> had a hell of time convincing some of my friends not to buy one after they've hopped on mine.
> --
> Slacker

In terms of ride quality, the Idrives were actually fairly decent. However, the design and
manufacturing of the bike was the big problem. They were portly, fragile, and... well, ugly!

Companies like maverick and seven take the time to really design their bikes - not just design the
suspension. Ever ridden a Seven Sola, their ti hard tail? They're amazing. The welds are beautiful,
they're light as a feather, and the handling is out of this world. Sure, they're expensive. But so's
a porche, or a ferrari - when a civic or a jetta will get you to work just as well.

Jon Bond

Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> Bill Wheeler <billwheeler@mtbingrocks.net> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html
>
>> Have people completely lost their minds? Who are the idiots who pay that much for a bike that
>> probably gets ridden 4 to 5 times a year? Please, speak up I really want to know. I'm callin you
>> out, your time has come.
>
> Relax, Bill. It's just a damn bike. People pay lots of money for a Rolex even though a Timex keeps
> just time just as well. (Watch some Rolex guy flame me.) It doesn't hurt anyone and keeps a few
> boutique watchmakers or framebuilders in business.

If Billy is going to slap down that kind of cabbage, he just wants to make sure he gets his money's
worth http://tinyurl.com/3abkw

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Slacker

Jon Bond wrote:
> "Slacker" <slacker7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:c0k7id$113fc8$1@ID-191655.news.uni-
> berlin.de...
>> Dean A. Stepper wrote:
>>> Same idea as the I-drive. Seems like having the bottom bracket part of the rear triangle defeats
>>> the rear suspension.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I've never really heard anyone complain about the ride quality of the i-drive. Believe
>> me, I would never encourage anyone to buy one, but I've had a hell of time convincing some of my
>> friends not to buy one after they've hopped on mine.
>> --
>> Slacker
>
> In terms of ride quality, the Idrives were actually fairly decent. However, the design and
> manufacturing of the bike was the big problem. They were portly, fragile, and... well, ugly!

Yes, that's why I specified, "ride quality."

> Companies like maverick and seven take the time to really design their bikes - not just design
> the suspension. Ever ridden a Seven Sola, their ti hard tail? They're amazing. The welds are
> beautiful, they're light as a feather, and the handling is out of this world. Sure, they're
> expensive. But so's a porche, or a ferrari - when a civic or a jetta will get you to work just
> as well.
>
> Jon Bond

Everything I've read/heard about Maverick and Seven says quality. I've never seen one in the flesh
though, but I would like to.

Didn't mean to make any comparison between Mav/7 and the i-drive; Worlds apart.

I agree about getting what you pay for. Trust me, I just spent another $750 for parts to finish my
Turner. Nothing left to buy except some pedals, grips and a chain. Yippee!!!
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Slacker

Jon Bond wrote:
> "Slacker" <slacker7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:c0k7id$113fc8$1@ID-191655.news.uni-
> berlin.de...
>
>>Dean A. Stepper wrote:
>>
>>>Same idea as the I-drive. Seems like having the bottom bracket part of the rear triangle defeats
>>>the rear suspension.
>>
>>
>>Actually, I've never really heard anyone complain about the ride quality
>
> of
>
>>the i-drive. Believe me, I would never encourage anyone to buy one, but
>
> I've
>
>>had a hell of time convincing some of my friends not to buy one after they've hopped on mine.
>>--
>>Slacker
>
>
> In terms of ride quality, the Idrives were actually fairly decent. However, the design and
> manufacturing of the bike was the big problem. They were portly, fragile, and... well, ugly!
>
> Companies like maverick and seven take the time to really design their bikes - not just design the
> suspension.

Why'd they take the time to come up with such a crappy, old idea?

Greg

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"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

"Bill Wheeler" <billwheeler@mtbingrocks.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:56:02 GMT, "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>
> >Pic sort of looks like it....
> >
> >http://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/duo.html

> If anybody plunks down 3 to 7 grand for this hyped up POS they're out of their friggin mind!

If they buy it for the hype, they're buying for the wrong reasons, IMHO.

> This type of marketing and wild abandon consumerism is just simply ridiculous.

You live in the wealthiest nation the world has ever seen. There are millions of millionaires in the
US (FWIW). I don't know where you live, but in Chicago the streets are full of $100,000+ Mercedes',
Porsches, Lamborghini's, etc, etc. If you live in a $1,000,000 condo in Chicago, then a $7,000 bike
is less than one mortgage payment.

> This bike can not possibly be worth it. I could probably slap together a Walgoose for 1/8th the
> cost and ride it once or twice, much like 7 grand model will be ridden, be just as happy.

Look, Bill, I know exactly where you're coming from. But at the upper stratosphere of rarity and
personalized, customized craftsmanship using exotic materials, cost goes up exponentially. If
there were numerous Seven Cycles franchises, and they were churning out thousands of these frames
per annum, the price would drop (less rare, more standardized production, spread
advertising/marketing costs over larger revenues, cheaper skilled labor, etc). Quality might be
*almost* as high; but not quite.

That's not their business model. Seven occupies the rarified air at the very top of the quality
spectrum. They sell their products for what the market will bear.

> Have people completely lost their minds? Who are the idiots who pay that much for a bike that
> probably gets ridden 4 to 5 times a year? Please, speak up I really want to know. I'm callin you
> out, your time has come.

Rather than berating those guys, you should feel sorry for them. Sure, they have a Seven hanging on
the wall in their beautiful condo in the city; but they're so busy chasing the brass ring they never
have time to ride. I know guys like that: $4,000 bikes sitting for years and years, unridden. They
*want* to ride; but can't find the time. Pity them. Those of us who get to ride often are the more
fortunate.

> What is happening to MTBing?!

It's being sold as an elite[ist] lifestyle accessory, like every other feature of American life. I
remember being horrified back in the early 80's when everything had to have a designer label. That
seems quaint by comparison to our current elitist social pressures. You're right to be incensed,
IMO. It's a vulgar display of wealth, much of the time. I can't stand seeing middle-income Americans
buying $65,000 SUV's that are too precious to ever have a speck of dust on them, let alone go
offroad. They should be driving a Camry for 1/3 the cost and 3x the gas mileage.

> Am I obsessing over the ignorance of others?

You're responding to increasingly vulgar displays of wealth and conspicuous consumption that are all
around you.

> Perhaps, but damn c'mon who buys that crap? I just can't seem to let stupidity go without a rant
> or two. I swear I try and work on it...promise.

Be happy that you have found joy in simplicity. Yours is the enlightened path.

"Why do you ride a bike?" asked the Zen master. "I ride a bike to ride a bike" answered his student.
"I am your disciple" replied the master.

R0cketman