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Some people might remember the flood of complaints from drivers in our city
when they were fined for speeding on a dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit.
These included council leaders and ex specials and even the AA who all
virtually admitted in a large regional newspaper to not being fit to drive,
since they didn't know the rules of the road before setting off. At last a
police officer has gone into print to put the record straight. Here:
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zpolice.htm
Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
letter" and to give the editor their due for once, they
didn't mess around with the original too much ;-) They
even added a nice picture of lots of bikes in Amsterdam. I
also finally learned how to make the scan clearer and
brighter in Paint Shop Pro.
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zmainletter.htm
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Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net (http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/)
"Simon Mason" <simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Some people might remember the flood of complaints from
> drivers in our
city
> when they were fined for speeding on a dual carriageway
> with a 30 mph
limit.
> These included council leaders and ex specials and even
> the AA who all virtually admitted in a large regional
> newspaper to not being fit to
drive,
> since they didn't know the rules of the road before
> setting off. At last a police officer has gone into print
> to put the record straight. Here:
>
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zpolice.htm
Good article !
Graham
>
> Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> letter" and to give
the
> editor their due for once, they didn't mess around with
> the original too much ;-) They even added a nice picture
> of lots of bikes in Amsterdam. I also finally learned how
> to make the scan clearer and brighter in Paint
Shop
> Pro.
>
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zmainletter.htm
>
> --
> Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net (http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/)
> At last a
>police officer has gone into print to put the record straight. Here:
>
>http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zpolice.htm
Quite refreshing to read. What a different attitude to the
Chief Constable of Norfolk who has said speed cameras in
Norfolk are not exactly a good thing.
> Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> letter" and to give the editor their due for once, they
> didn't mess around with the original too much ;-)
Excellent :-)
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In news:Hb-dnYbkhIxTUPPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk,
Simon Mason <simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> typed:
> Some people might remember the flood of complaints from
> drivers in our city when they were fined for speeding on
> a dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit. ... At last a
> police officer has gone into print to put the record
> straight. Here:
>
Good article
>
> Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> letter" and to give the editor their due for once, they
> didn't mess around with the original too much ;-) They
> even added a nice picture of lots of bikes in Amsterdam.
> I also finally learned how to make the scan clearer and
> brighter in Paint Shop Pro.
Good letter. Nice work there. Quite possibly your letter
gave them some of the encouragement to publish the
article, too.
A
> Some people might remember the flood of complaints from drivers in our
> city when they were fined for speeding on a dual carriageway with a 30
> mph limit. These included council leaders and ex specials and even the
> AA who all virtually admitted in a large regional newspaper to not
> being fit to drive, since they didn't know the rules of the road
> before setting off. At last a police officer has gone into print to
> put the record straight. Here:
>
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zpolice.htm
You can tell the policeman pictured is really happy in his
job!
"Simon Mason" <simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> letter" and to give
the
> editor their due for once, they didn't mess around with
> the original too much ;-) They even added a nice picture
> of lots of bikes in Amsterdam....
Those dutch bikes all look like heavy lumbering
monstrosities! Don't they ever ride quality lightweight
machines over there?
Simon,
Three loud and rowdy cheers for you, your local paper, and
your local police force. If we saw more of this nationwide
then this would start to be a much nicer country to live in.
(And, of course, a change of government would make this
country better too - I'm not happy to learn that because of
this bunch of lying Yankee-pandering no-gooders, people in
my profession are now near the top of al-Qaeda's hitlist!)
Ian
--
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Remove the nice brown paste in my signature if you
want to reply!
"Ian W" <i.walker@marmitebath.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Simon,
>
> Three loud and rowdy cheers for you, your local paper,
> and your local police force. If we saw more of this
> nationwide then this would start to be a much nicer
> country to live in.
>
> (And, of course, a change of government would make this
> country better too - I'm not happy to learn that because
> of this bunch of lying Yankee-pandering no-gooders, people
> in my profession are now near the top of al-Qaeda's
> hitlist!)
Why has al-Qaeda got it in for statisticians then?
>
> Ian
>
> --
> www.drianwalker.com
>
> Remove the nice brown paste in my signature if you want
> to reply!
Stephen Clark wrote:
> "Ian W" <i.walker@marmitebath.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:c4n321$jsv$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
>>Simon,
>>
>>Three loud and rowdy cheers for you, your local paper,
>>and your local police force. If we saw more of this
>>nationwide then this would start to be a much nicer
>>country to live in.
>>
>>(And, of course, a change of government would make this
>>country better too - I'm not happy to learn that because
>>of this bunch of lying Yankee-pandering no-gooders, people
>>in my profession are now near the top of al-Qaeda's
>>hitlist!)
>
> Why has al-Qaeda got it in for statisticians then?
>
63.6% of them have.
Stephen Clark wrote:
> Why has al-Qaeda got it in for statisticians then?
>
They've probably reached their tolerance limits ;-)
Tony
"Ian W" <i.walker@marmitebath.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:c4n321$jsv$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> Simon,
>
> Three loud and rowdy cheers for you, your local paper,
> and your local police force. If we saw more of this
> nationwide then this would start to be a much nicer
> country to live in.
You sure that once they'd finished with inappropriate speed
limits they'd not move on to some more inappropriate laws
that you might not actually agree with?
In article <c4mviq$2jbdhq$1@ID-111900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
adrian@boliston.co.uk says...
> "Simon Mason" <simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:Hb-dnYbkhIxTUPPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
>
> > Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> > letter" and to give
> the
> > editor their due for once, they didn't mess around with
> > the original too much ;-) They even added a nice picture
> > of lots of bikes in Amsterdam....
>
> Those dutch bikes all look like heavy lumbering
> monstrosities! Don't they ever ride quality lightweight
> machines over there?
>
>
>
One of the chaps that worked for me while I was in the
Netherlands[1] had a hand built lightweight jobbie. He
commuted 20odd miles each way 3 or four times a week. and he
wasn't a particularly extreme case either.
1. Holland is only one part of the Netherlands apparently.
No, I didn't know that until I worked there, either.
--
.paul
if at first you don't succeed... skydiving is probably not
the sport for you
Paul <pc@bc.cc> wrote in message .
>
> 1. Holland is only one part of the Netherlands apparently.
> No, I didn't know that until I worked there, either.
There are 11 provinces in The Netherlands and North Holland
and South Holland are only two of them.
Simon M.
dwb wrote:
>
> You sure that once they'd finished with inappropriate
> speed limits they'd not move on to some more inappropriate
> laws that you might not actually agree with?
So its alright to resist the laws we don't agree with but
not the ones motorist's don't agree with. Hmmmmm.
Tony
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:21:49 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote in message <c4ndeo$2jev96$1@ID-114060.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>You sure that once they'd finished with inappropriate speed
>limits they'd not move on to some more inappropriate laws
>that you might not actually agree with?
Dunno. The discussion thus far includes only entirely
appropriate laws.
--
Guy
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Simon Mason wrote:
> Some people might remember the flood of complaints from
> drivers in our city when they were fined for speeding on a
> dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit. These included
> council leaders and ex specials and even the AA who all
> virtually admitted in a large regional newspaper to not
> being fit to drive, since they didn't know the rules of
> the road before setting off. At last a police officer has
> gone into print to put the record straight. Here:
>
The "should there be 30mph reminders or just cameras to
catch speeders" debate always seems to be approached here
from the standpoint of the anti-motorist-cyclist "The
buggers should know the law and obey it; if they don't, they
should be prosecuted".
Now there is a certain irrefutable logic to that.
But, ipso facto, there is confusion and lack of
knowledge/understanding among people who would otherwise
obey a signed limit (The 30 mph urban dual carriageway is
the exception and driving habits are ingrained and clues
taken from road nature not just whether there are street
lights or not)
A better logic is to approach the matter from the point
of view of the child standing by the side of the road
waiting to cross: Would 30mph reminder signs work to
reduce the average speed of the cars passing by and make
the road safer?
Almost certainly yes! As the "accidental speeder" ie someone
believing the dual carriageway to be a 40mph limit and
driving at (say) 38mph, is more likely to obey the signed
limit, AND the deliberate speeder who does 35 in a 30 limit
and 45 in a 40 limit will more likely do 35 than 45 if the
limit is signed. (I'm discounting here the idiot minority
who far exceed any posted
limit)
In law there is no requirement (in fact did someone post
that there is in fact a statutory bar on 30mph reminders?)
but logic and common sense suggest that the objective of
safer roads would be better achieved by 30mph repeaters on
street lit 30mph dual carriage ways
"I thought dual carriageways were 40mph limits" is no
defence, but neither is it the issue.
pk
"Adrian Boliston" <adrian@boliston.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c4mviq$2jbdhq$1@ID-111900.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> "Simon Mason" <simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:Hb-dnYbkhIxTUPPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
>
> > Also, in the same issue, I managed to get the "star
> > letter" and to give
> the
> > editor their due for once, they didn't mess around with
> > the original too much ;-) They even added a nice picture
> > of lots of bikes in Amsterdam....
>
> Those dutch bikes all look like heavy lumbering
> monstrosities! Don't they ever ride quality lightweight
> machines over there?
My observation is that, in Amsterdam at least, 99% of bikes
are the 1920's style gas pipe jobbies. That's not to say
they are old, far from it, some are brand new, most are
newish. They don't last that long through complete absence
of maintenance!
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:51:24 +0000 (UTC), "PK"
<spam.trap100@btinternet.com> wrote in message
<c4olqs$16r$1@hercules.btinternet.com>:
>The "should there be 30mph reminders or just cameras to
>catch speeders" debate always seems to be approached here
>from the standpoint of the anti-motorist-cyclist "The
>buggers should know the law and obey it; if they don't,
>they should be prosecuted". Now there is a certain
>irrefutable logic to that.
You said it ;-)
>But, ipso facto, there is confusion and lack of
>knowledge/understanding among people who would otherwise
>obey a signed limit (The 30 mph urban dual carriageway is
>the exception and driving habits are ingrained and clues
>taken from road nature not just whether there are street
>lights or not)
Really? My driving instructor told me about the street lamps
and 30 limits rule, and I've honestly never had any trouble
either remembering or understanding it. In fact my
instructor told me that you should assume ever road is a 30
limit unless you know for sure it isn't. These days the
assumption seems to be that every road is a 90 limit unless
there was a sign in the last 5 yards saying otherwise, plus
a camera to enforce it.
>A better logic is to approach the matter from the point
>of view of the child standing by the side of the road
>waiting to cross: Would 30mph reminder signs work to
>reduce the average speed of the cars passing by and make
>the road safer?
Removing the cars would be the best solution there.
>In law there is no requirement (in fact did someone post
>that there is in fact a statutory bar on 30mph reminders?)
>but logic and common sense suggest that the objective of
>safer roads would be better achieved by 30mph repeaters on
>street lit 30mph dual carriage ways
No, logic and common sense indicate that road safety would
be better served by educating drivers to treat 30 as the
default in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
--
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> Really? My driving instructor told me about the street
> lamps and 30 limits rule, and I've honestly never had any
> trouble either remembering or understanding it. In fact my
> instructor told me that you should assume ever road is a
> 30 limit unless you know for sure it isn't. These days the
> assumption seems to be that every road is a 90 limit
> unless there was a sign in the last 5 yards saying
> otherwise, plus a camera to enforce it.
>
Ah but your driving lessons were probably of the same
vintage as mine when there were two speed limits - 30mph in
built up areas and none elsewhere. These days there are a
plethora of different speed limits in built up areas
including 20, 30, 40 and 50mph. I often find myself
wondering what the current speed limit is and support the
provision of information. The old assumption that if there's
lamposts it must be 30mph no longer applies and I see no
problem with providing the information to remind drivers
what the current limit is. After all its to our benefit that
they know and comply
Tony
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:33:58 +0100, "Tony Raven"
<junk@raven-family.com> wrote in message
<c4p31q$2ksule$1@ID-178940.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>Ah but your driving lessons were probably of the same
>vintage as mine when there were two speed limits - 30mph in
>built up areas and none elsewhere.
Actually the limits I was taken through when learning
included 30, 40, 50, NSL single carriageway and NSL dual
carriageway. But I did have a very thorough driving
instructor.
--
Guy
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