Running with rain suit?

[Rc5]

How do you guys handle outdoor running in rain? I used to
run with T-shirt and short in rain. But guess I'm getting
old now and couldn't do that for a while. It's 0 degree C
this morning and rainning. I went out to do my 10k with a $2
transparent rain coat. The 10k time was 4 minutes longer. Is
that due to the extra air drag of the rain coat?

[Phil M.]

rc5project@hotmail.com (rc5) wrote in
news:1f6e6cc.0404040523.26aa28ce@posting.google.com:

> How do you guys handle outdoor running in rain? I used
> to run with T-shirt and short in rain. But guess I'm
> getting old now and couldn't do that for a while. It's 0
> degree C this morning and rainning. I went out to do my
> 10k with a $2 transparent rain coat. The 10k time was 4
> minutes longer. Is that due to the extra air drag of the
> rain coat?
>

Just above freezing makes for difficult running conditions
IMO. The rain can sap the warmth right out of your body in a
very short amount of time. Hypothermia is a real problem
when that happens. Make sure you are not running in anything
that is made of cotton. If you use a waterproof jacket, you
may find it too warm. Vests can be good for this
rain/temperature with a lightweight (not cotton) longsleeve
t-shirt underneath. Look for the lightest weight clothing
you can get that is still slightly water resistant. You'll
need some breathability, so 100% waterproof won't work.
Personally, I've found a good combination for these
conditons to be Sugoi's Beam Vest and running tights. I am
quite happy with that.

Here's the vest: http://www.sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?-
sectionStyleID=4731&color=COS

Phil M.

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everlasting." -fortune cookie

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rc5 wrote:
> How do you guys handle outdoor running in rain? I used to
> run with T-shirt and short in rain. But guess I'm getting
> old now and couldn't do that for a while. It's 0 degree C
> this morning and rainning. I went out to do my 10k

At 0C, light rain, and no wind for a 40-70 min run (I'm
assuming 10k fits in here somewhere for you - see my
questions at end), I'd probably wear a rain-resistant shell
on top and my sporthill xc pants (my usual running gear).
Heavier rain and maybe some wind, I might consider my
waterproof shell on top (pit zips open although they don't
do much good) and maybe tights under my sporthills (warm
legs function better for me and reduces injury potential).
For pouring rain I'd definitely wear waterproof gear - top
and bottom. In my case, I *know* I get hypothermic fairly
easily. While it may not be big issue in the 30-40 min
range, beyond there (esp. beyond 1 hr or so), it is an issue
for *me*. YMMV

With *my* gear, I know that neither my sporthills nor my
windshells are waterproof, but they breathe reasonably well
and are ok for everyday running - assuming it's not raining
hard when I start. My waterproof Marmot precip jacket and
pants (full zip for ventilation) do an excellent job of
keeping rain and wind out (at least for short term < 1 hr) -
and keeping body moisture in. They are noisy compared to my
everyday gear, but light (jacket is 10oz) so I take them in
my pack on extended outings (multiple hours) when rain is a
possibility. For a run in the 45-70+ min range, they keep
the rain out and keep warm sweat next to my body. For longer
runs, the wetness from the sweat will be an issue. I've
tested my present windshell in wind, but not rain (only had
it a couple weeks), but reviews suggest it reasonably rain
resistant but not for prolonged (multiple hours) exposure in
heavy, wet snows or rains. Unless it's really pouring when I
leave, or an imminent threat of such, I think my usual shell
and sporthills (maybe with tights if windy) will do for most
conditions. I do have some other new winter-closeout sale
items that I haven't had a chance to test under these
conditions yet, but some new combinations may work for
moderate (not pouring) rain for runs <60min.

> with a $2 transparent rain coat. The 10k time was 4
> minutes longer. Is that due to the extra air drag of the
> rain coat?

Not enough information provided. 4 min longer relative to
what? Have you been running in 80F temperatures and this is
cooler or -20F and this is uncomfortably warm (or pleasantly
warm)? Do you usually do 35 min 10k's so that this is a 10%
increase in time or more usually a 1:10 10k where this might
be rounding error? Was it windy? Were you on muddy trails?
Was this run at same effort as the last time you ran it?
Were you rested as well as other times or over trained? or
distracted by something?

My initial knee jerk reaction without other information is
that a light raincoat isn't going to make 4min difference
in time in a 10k, esp. if running on roads where mud isn't
an issue. That's assuming you didn't have it open and
using it like a drag chute for resistance running ;) Which
is why I raised the questions of what else might be
affecting your time.

FWIW, I do notice a decrease in my times over the same
routes as temperatures get warmer in the spring - but I'm
clueless as to whether it's temperature, fewer layers, less
snow (sometimes), more daylight runs, winter base building -
probably all of the above. And these covariates will always
be present. 4 min variation in a route that takes about an
hour for me at this time of year, I think is more related to
footing conditions and natural variations than any gear that
I'm wearing, certainly not a light raincoat.

Dot nice thing about Alaska is you can buy gear on winter
closeouts and still wear them for at least a month after
you get them.

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Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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[Lobo Horsesass]

Just your common K marts paints and jacket. light weight plastic. for
bike rides. try to keep areas dry, or jock itch and swimmers ear well
happen. some people like pain. anyways.
I have a red running shirt. and a army green heavy warm vest. zipper
broke hafe way up. soooo bad. well give this a try. 30 now i.d.
going to 50 and rain. winds high is 18 to 27 from south west. low 3 to
5 south west. I bike it most. running tends to hurt the back some. and
just beginner after over a real long injuries wait. 2 or 3 mile walk
and run...... maybe in downpour............
rain on. I am ready and gone. today:>).
10 cent can feeds the bode when no one wants me to work. past 18 month
and no job, and another 30 resumes, applications and calls to tape
machine. Gee good thing I have all this experience to be a crippled and
a retard here to Not get a job...... I well wait...... day off. mom dad
home now, so got to find cans to eat,I still don't see how this area x
spect me to pay or find work with zero money help. again. I well live.
God speed r and r...... eat home grown and nature. and die if you
do it wrong.... good luck :>)

[Lobo Horsesass]

it din't rain. Why God Why!> oh yes went to this school
being built. and put resumes in area of job wanted. hope for
best. thanks all. just walk into a meeting and then a big
Wohwwww and walk out., had like 50 men sitting at a round
table all there heads turn and they look. I guest this life
of mine is just ment to be. :>) 25 miles yesterday, time to
ride and pick up cans for days food. and go thru seedsto
plant veggies...... job search done. 60 today and
sunshine......Oh that just great:>? with my luck I
M.......... Wuld like to be and get back to the 100 and
above per week group. so many stops and
go.......rides........ useing big backpack again..... re mod
bike...... Hamburger and mac and cheese my favs.. I dress
simple. what ever gets me out the door. and this 5 a.m. ****
only make my bode hurt....