help a new guy out

[Chris]

I started running about 3 weeks ago. I used to run in high
school but then i began smoking (stupid kids) I have been
rid of cigarettes since december 03 yippee. So anyway I
was wondering what is the possible causes of a slight knee
pain when jogging. The pain is just below the knee cap. I
am 28 190 lbs no past knee problems I weight train every
other day, run 2 miles and walk 1 per day when not on the
weights trying to work up to more. The pain just started
on my last run, my shins gave me a problem before but I
changed the length of my stride and byebye shin pain. Any
help would be great.

Chris

[Miss Anne Throp]

The jogging is the cause of your knee pain while jogging.
And your sore eye is from leaving the spoon in your coffee
cup. Sheesh.

[Chris]

My eye is fine thanx. I guess you've taken a couple
spills and landed on your head few to many times. thanx
for nothing.

Chris "Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net> wrote in
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> The jogging is the cause of your knee pain while jogging.
> And your sore eye is from leaving the spoon in your coffee
> cup. Sheesh.

[Lloyd]

Chris, Being a person that's had a knee op i'm not one to
take knee pain lightly BUT the chances are it's just your
body re-acquainting itself with the stresses and strains
of running. Give it a bit of time and let your soft tissue
get it's "memory" back. Above all don't train through the
pain. Good luck

"Chris" <Chrisyerian@(nospam)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fbKcc.3827$qd2.48@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> I started running about 3 weeks ago. I used to run in high
> school but then
i
> began smoking (stupid kids) I have been rid of cigarettes
> since december
03
> yippee. So anyway I was wondering what is the possible
> causes of a slight knee pain when jogging. The pain is
> just below the knee cap. I am 28 190
lbs
> no past knee problems I weight train every other day, run
> 2 miles and walk
1
> per day when not on the weights trying to work up to more.
> The pain just started on my last run, my shins gave me a
> problem before but I changed
the
> length of my stride and byebye shin pain. Any help would
> be great.
>
> Chris

[Surf McBrowse]

"Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29458-4073726D-122@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...
> The jogging is the cause of your knee pain while jogging.
> And your sore eye is from leaving the spoon in your coffee
> cup. Sheesh.

[Dwight Arnold]

fromDreifusIV@webtv.net DATE APRIL6 130am to
Chrisyerian@Sbcglobal.net HI CRIS whats up? i read your e-
mail about the pain in your knee. you might want to do some
stretching first before you start running that helps
alot.you might want to wear a kneeband also to support your
kneecap on that leg. After running while taking a shower
you put your knee under hot running water---as hot as you
can bear . proceede to dry thoroughly with towel then rub
with a balm e.g Hot ice or Bengay. you will be ok after
that. one kevin

[Gentolm]

chris it might be that u r running to fast to soon r you
shoes up to the task? your muscle respond very well to
runnig but joints / tendons / ligs take a litte time to get
on board plodzilla

Chris wrote:
>
> My eye is fine thanx. I guess you've taken a couple spills
> and landed on your head few to many times. thanx for
> nothing.
>
> Chris "Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net> wrote in
> message news:29458-4073726D-122@storefull-
> 3153.bay.webtv.net...
> > The jogging is the cause of your knee pain while
> > jogging. And your sore eye is from leaving the spoon in
> > your coffee cup. Sheesh.

[Rick++]

You bought new shoes properly fitted a real running store, I
presume? I guess 2/3rdsof beginners pains are from not
having proper shoes.

[Eno]

Chris wrote:

> I started running about 3 weeks ago. I used to run in high
> school but then i began smoking (stupid kids) I have been
> rid of cigarettes since december 03 yippee. So anyway I
> was wondering what is the possible causes of a slight knee
> pain when jogging. The pain is just below the knee cap. I
> am 28 190 lbs no past knee problems I weight train every
> other day, run 2 miles and walk 1 per day when not on the
> weights trying to work up to more. The pain just started
> on my last run, my shins gave me a problem before but I
> changed the length of my stride and byebye shin pain. Any
> help would be great.

I'll tell you what worked for me.

1) Massage the quads and keep them loose, i.e., relaxed
and well stretched. Tight quads will put additional
pressure on the ligaments surrounding your knees and
cause pain. I use the Stick twice daily to massage my
legs (quads, hams, calves). Lately I've been putting in
some tough mileage. Sometimes, early in the morning,
during my warm-up run, I can feel some knee twinges. I
stop, stretch the quads well, and presto, no more knee
twinges when I re-start.

2) Strengthen the quads/hams and fix muscle imbalances. If
the muscles around your knee, especially the quads and
hams aren't strong enough or are imbalanced, this will
result in additional stress on the knees due to an
inability to shock absorb or track the knee properly. In
my case, the inner thigh/quad (tear-shaped) muscle needed
some work; the outer one was very strong in comparison.
Once I targetted that muscle and got it up to snuff, my
knees were a lot happier.

3) Shorten your stride. You mention you changed your stride
to fix chin splints. Whatever adjustment you made, I
hope you didn't elongate your stride or go to a heel
strike. A short stride will avoid the additional
stresses on the knee when your foot lands ahead of your
center of gravity.

Good luck. I hope this was of some help.

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[Lyndon]

>I started running about 3 weeks ago. I used to run in high
>school but then i began smoking (stupid kids) I have been
>rid of cigarettes since december 03 yippee. So anyway I
>was wondering what is the possible causes of a slight knee
>pain when jogging. The pain is just below the knee cap. I
>am 28 190 lbs no past knee problems I weight train every
>other day, run 2 miles and walk 1 per day when not on the
>weights trying to work up to more. The pain just started
>on my last run, my shins gave me a problem before but I
>changed the length of my stride and byebye shin pain. Any
>help would be great.
>
Are you doing any leg weights on the day before running? I
know that when I do heavy squats (i.e., 4X4 @ 90% 1RM), I
will have leg pain in the area described if I run within 1
day of the weight routine. If I'm doing "power" type squats
(~50% 1RM done rapidly) I don't have this pain. If so, you
simply need either
(a) more rest between squats and running; or (b) lower
weights for the squats. This could be the only
thing you need.

If you are not doing leg weights, the pain described would
be in the approximate area for whatis known as "Runners
Knee," which is more commonly cause by a strength imbalance
in the muscles areound the knee. If so:

(1) Shorten you stride enough so you don't overstride.
Overstriding causes heel striking, which causes much
more impact force to run through you knee than a midfoot
strike would cause. Do a Google search on this newsgroup
for the word "GAPO."

(2) Go to a running store (not the shoe store in the mall)
and have them make sure you have proper shoes for your
running style (not what looks "cool" or what is on sale
at the moment). Most cases of Runners Knee are caused by
ovepronation.

(3) Try to check for strength imbalances between quads and
hams. Hamstring strength should be in the range of 60-
90% of quad strength.

(4) Add running mileage slowly, especially in the beginning.
Not more than a 10% mileage increase per week, and
preferably not more than 10% every 2-3 weeks--increase
10% in 1 week, then keep the same mileage for another
1-2 weeks.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
--US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

[jobin]

Lyndon <airlyndon@aol.comnospam> wrote: ....
> (3) Try to check for strength imbalances between quads and
> hams. Hamstring strength should be in the range of 60-
> 90% of quad strength.
.....

how do you do this? is there any way to do it at home?

thanks jobs

[jobin]

Lyndon <airlyndon@aol.comnospam> wrote:
> There is equipment for measuring separate quad and ham
> strength that physical therapists have, and I believe some
> physiology labs also have. Without such equipment, what
> you can do is compare squat or leg press strength with
> hamstring curl strength. I use a Cybex reclining plate-
> load squat machine (went to that when I began to squat
> 300+ and I didn't want such weight on my shoulders) and a
> Cybex plate-load hamstring curl machine. The comparison
> here is not 100% accurate because the squat also has
> hamstring involvement, but it is, I think, about the best
> you can do without paying to have it measured by a PT.
> There is no need to my knowledge for a highly accurate
> measurement. If you're a sprinter (lot of time at max
> speed), you want hamstring strength of around 90% or more,
> but if you're running marathons 60% or more is "good
> enough" and I think you can get such a rough guess from
> the simple comparison.

thanks for the information. i was just curious how it is
done. i figured if it was something one could do at home,
i'd try it to see.

as you said, i don't need any accurate measurement, or any
measurement for that sake.

thanks again. jobs

[Chris]

I will try the massages during the run. I did shorten the
stride and also make sure not to heel strike. Thanx for
the reply.

Chris "eNo" <abuse@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_XVcc.8$9f7.0@dfw-
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> Chris wrote:
>
> > I started running about 3 weeks ago. I used to run in
> > high school but
then i
> > began smoking (stupid kids) I have been rid of
> > cigarettes since december
03
> > yippee. So anyway I was wondering what is the possible
> > causes of a
slight
> > knee pain when jogging. The pain is just below the knee
> > cap. I am 28 190
lbs
> > no past knee problems I weight train every other day,
> > run 2 miles and
walk 1
> > per day when not on the weights trying to work up to
> > more. The pain just started on my last run, my shins
> > gave me a problem before but I changed
the
> > length of my stride and byebye shin pain. Any help would
> > be great.
>
> I'll tell you what worked for me.
>
> 1) Massage the quads and keep them loose, i.e., relaxed
> and well stretched. Tight quads will put additional
> pressure on the ligaments surrounding your knees and
> cause pain. I use the Stick twice daily to massage my
> legs (quads, hams, calves). Lately I've been putting in
> some tough mileage. Sometimes, early in the morning,
> during my warm-up run, I can feel some knee twinges. I
> stop, stretch the quads well, and presto, no more knee
> twinges when I re-start.
>
> 2) Strengthen the quads/hams and fix muscle imbalances. If
> the muscles around your knee, especially the quads and
> hams aren't strong enough or are imbalanced, this will
> result in additional stress on the knees due to an
> inability to shock absorb or track the knee properly.
> In my case, the inner thigh/quad (tear-shaped) muscle
> needed some work; the outer one was very strong in
> comparison. Once I targetted that muscle and got it up
> to snuff, my knees were a lot happier.
>
> 3) Shorten your stride. You mention you changed your
> stride to fix chin splints. Whatever adjustment you
> made, I hope you didn't elongate your stride or go to a
> heel strike. A short stride will avoid the additional
> stresses on the knee when your foot lands ahead of your
> center of gravity.
>
> Good luck. I hope this was of some help.
>
> --
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[Not Him]

"Chris" <Chrisyerian@(nospam)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<fbKcc.3827$qd2.48@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>...
> Re: help a new guy out

Rebecchi will give you a "reach around"...