9 year old 10K

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Deni

My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this past
weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age group with a
time of 7:16. When completeing his race he decided that he
also wanted to run the 10K with the adults, also through the
woods. Against my better judgement I let him. He shocked us
all. He placed 1st in his age group, he was the only one in
it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He has
now decided that he only wants to run 10k's no more 1 miles
or 5K's. Does anyone know of some training resources for
him? Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep
him interested in any way I can.

Swstudio

"Deni" <webmaster@a2zstudio.com> wrote in message
> My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age group
> with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he decided
> that he also wanted to run the 10K with the adults, also
> through the woods. Against my better judgement I let him.
> He shocked us all. He placed 1st in his age group, he was
> the only one in it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of
> 83 people. He has now decided that he only wants to run
> 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's. Does anyone know of some
> training resources for him? Everyday he asks when is the
> next race. I want to keep him interested in any way I can.

If you have a little extra money, I would invest some
time with a coach that has experience with kids and
running. Even a few sessions will give you an idea of the
best ways to match his enthusiasm with a proper program,
if he's up to it.

Hopefully you'll get a response here from 'tenkman', who has
had great success with his own son's running over the past
few years, and has some great advice.

good luck,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

Edward

webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age group
> with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he decided
> that he also wanted to run the 10K with the adults, also
> through the woods. Against my better judgement I let him.
> He shocked us all. He placed 1st in his age group, he was
> the only one in it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of
> 83 people. He has now decided that he only wants to run
> 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's. Does anyone know of some
> training resources for him? Everyday he asks when is the
> next race. I want to keep him interested in any way I can.

First, a time of 7.16 for a mile on a trail for a 9 year old
is pretty good stuff, I reckon. However...

He's much too young for 10k. You say "against your better
judgement"
- why has that judgement changed? He's still growing, and
this sort of high impact endurance training is really only
suitable for ages 14+. Still, congratulations on having a
child that prefers running to stuffing Big Macs into his
face while watching the Cartoon Channel. My seven year old
won a track 1k last year, while his five year old brother
came in last (but carried on and did a further two laps,
while the eldest was completely knackered). They both
loved the experience and asked if they could do some more
serious training - I told them that playing football and
general running around was ALL the training they needed.

Edward
--
The reading group's reading group:
http://www.bookgroup.org.uk (http://www.bookgroup.org.uk/)

Tenkman

"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dl0dc.20614$n37.1651394@read2.cgocable.net...
> "Deni" <webmaster@a2zstudio.com> wrote in message
> > Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> > Everyday he
asks
> > when is the next race. I want to keep him interested in
> > any way I
can.
>
>
>
> Hopefully you'll get a response here from 'tenkman', who
> has had great success with his own son's running over the
> past few years, and has some great advice.

Hello David,

Here are some revised comments I have stated previously
along with some new ones:

1) Keep the races short, fast and fun. Speed is most
important in high school and beyond, and cardiovascular
can be developed. 5k road races are the longest I would
have him run even though it is obvious he could do well
at longer events.

2) If the 5 year-old really likes to compete, take him to
the USATF track and cross country meets. He would compete
as a pre bantam but then he would see how good he is. I
think these meets are great fun.

See how fast the kid is at 100 meters through 1500 or even
3000 meters

(which is the longest event for under 15 year olds). The kid
may fall in love with the 400 or 800 or the 200 meter
events. Who knows?

3) I have seen a few insane parents at these meets. I know
of an eleven year-old girl here in Utah that runs 50
miles a week with her elite track club. I know the boy
that is either 9 or 10 and won the national title at 1500
meters and came within 2 seconds of breaking the national
record. Friends tell me of insane workouts these kids do
and I witnessed very intense behavior by such parents. My
kids run several road, track, and cross country events
but they also play basketball, a little football, soccer
ect. Kids need a mental break from anything that is too
consuming of their lives including piano, schoolwork,
sports, tv, video games ect.

4) Make it fun for the kids. After the big events where we
stayed in a hotel, we often would go to a restaurant and
get a great meal. We might then go to something cool
locally like in recently in Moab we went to lots of
outdoor stores and we ate a huge meal at the Moab
brewery. The kids beg me to go to Moab now every year.

In short, a good variety of running (track, trail, grass,
roads) a few races, and being creative on running activities
is good. I often associate a hard run with my kids with
going out to a cool breakfast or lunch with them. For
example, my kids love IHOP or something similar after a hard
run. I swear I spend more on food now than I do on running
shoes for the whole family.

I hope this helps.

>
>
> good luck,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
> down constantly."

Swstudio

"Edward" <teddysnips@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> He's much too young for 10k.

Is this opinion based on research, or your intuition?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

Jonathan Sydenh

Isn't there a local club with a kids' programme?
BTW 56 mins isn't THAT impressive for a 9 year old. It's pretty normal (for
our club and neighbouring clubs, anyway).
"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dl0dc.20614$n37.1651394@read2.cgocable.net...
> "Deni" <webmaster@a2zstudio.com> wrote in message
> > My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> > past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age
> > group with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he
> > decided that he also wanted to run the 10K with the
> > adults, also through the woods. Against my better
> > judgement I let him. He shocked us all. He placed 1st in
> > his age group, he was the only one in it. He ran it in
> > 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He has now decided
> > that he only wants to run 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's.
> > Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> > Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep
> > him interested in any way I can.
>
>
> If you have a little extra money, I would invest some
> time with a coach that has experience with kids and
> running. Even a few sessions will give you an idea of the
> best ways to match his enthusiasm with a proper program,
> if he's up to it.
>
> Hopefully you'll get a response here from 'tenkman', who
> has had great success with his own son's running over the
> past few years, and has some great advice.
>
>
> good luck,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
> down constantly."

Jonathan Sydenh

Training load equals training pressure.
It is unlikely that a sensible coach would "pressurize" little kids into
running faster than they find fun.
J
"Lyndon" <airlyndon@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040408115428.12763.00000005@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >"Edward" <teddysnips@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> He's much too young for 10k.
> >
> >
> >Is this opinion based on research, or your intuition?
> >
> I agree completely with what 10kman said. USATF
> competition distances for sub-high school age are limited
> to 2 miles/3K. The excellent book
"Training
> For Young Distance Runners" (high recommended for the OP
> to read) starts
with
> age 12. This should be telling you someting.
>
> If you want research--over the past 10 years in the US the
> high school
sport
> with a higher injury rate than boys football....is girls
> cross country.
There
> are a bunch of issues here, but the major one is that when
> you have
someone
> with a body that has not matured yet, you have to be very
> careful with the
size
> of training load.
>
> It's a little different if you have someone like Tiger
> Woods where the
sport is
> almost pure skill with little training component. Also
> tennis to a lesser extent (but there is conditioning here
> that has to have some limits). I imagine many here have
> read some of the horror stories about girls
gymnastics
> that I'd personally not like to see repeated with running.
>
> It does seem to me that things like football, basketball,
> baseball, etc.
are
> about all one needs before high school age. Football in
> fact is how I
ended up
> on the track team in high school. David Krummenacker got
> into running
because
> his high school basketball coach encouraged him to run
> cross country; He
didn't
> like cross but loved track, and so he's maybe the US only
> medal hope
beyond
> sprint distances.
>
> Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
> --US Olympic Track
Coach
> Brooks Johnson

Not Him

You horrible little man, forcing your young child to live
his life through your aged dreams. You've just been reported
to the child welfare authority. Have fun in jail pervert.

webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message
news:<e298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age group
> with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he decided
> that he also wanted to run the 10K with the adults, also
> through the woods. Against my better judgement I let him.
> He shocked us all. He placed 1st in his age group, he was
> the only one in it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of
> 83 people. He has now decided that he only wants to run
> 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's. Does anyone know of some
> training resources for him? Everyday he asks when is the
> next race. I want to keep him interested in any way I can.

Deni

notwarburton69@hotmail.com (Not HIM) wrote in message news:<cd9b0843.0404080926.6cabf70a@posting.google.com>...
> You horrible little man, forcing your young child to live
> his life through your aged dreams. You've just been
> reported to the child welfare authority. Have fun in jail
> pervert.
>
> webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message
> news:<e298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> > My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> > past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age
> > group with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he
> > decided that he also wanted to run the 10K with the
> > adults, also through the woods. Against my better
> > judgement I let him. He shocked us all. He placed 1st in
> > his age group, he was the only one in it. He ran it in
> > 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He has now decided
> > that he only wants to run 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's.
> > Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> > Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep
> > him interested in any way I can.

My child runs because he wants to. He did not want to play
baseball, football, or basketball, he would much perfer
going outside to run or ride his bike instead of sitting in
front of the television or playing video games. If he is
enjoying a healthy sport I will support him 100%.

Tenkman

"Deni" <webmaster@a2zstudio.com> wrote in message
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> notwarburton69@hotmail.com (Not HIM) wrote in message
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> > You horrible little man, forcing your young child to
> > live his life through your aged dreams. You've just been
> > reported to the child welfare authority. Have fun in
> > jail pervert.
> >
>
> My child runs because he wants to. He did not want to play
> baseball, football, or basketball, he would much perfer
> going outside to run or ride his bike instead of sitting
> in front of the television or playing video games. If he
> is enjoying a healthy sport I will support him 100%.

Dude, you have to know that you are responding to a troll.

Phil

webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e2-
98c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>... --snip--
> Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep him
> interested in any way I can.

I'd just let him run what he'd like to run (within reason of
course). I seem to remember that hormones or some such are
not really set up yet for little guys his age to gain a lot
with training.

best regards

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Friday, February 20, 2004 By Brit Hume Vet Benefits

John Kerry -- running in part on his record as a Vietnam
veteran -- insists President Bush -- "[has] not kept faith
with veterans across the country, and one of the first
definitions of patriotism is keeping faith with those who
wore the uniform of our country."

Kerry specifically accuses the president of cutting the
Veterans Administration budget. But, in fact, that funding
is now higher than at any point in the past ten years, and
it's going up twice as fast under President Bush than under
President Clinton.

What's more, according to the University of Pennsylvania's
Annenberg Public Policy Center, the number of veterans
receiving health benefits is going up 25 percent under
President Bush's budgets.

Kerry Wilson

ralphnaderthenu

If it took you 9 years to run a 5k, you should consider
running may not be your cup of tea.

Mwl

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runners4bush2004@netzero.com (Phil) wrote in message news:<8bd8dc13.0404260910.573ccbe5@posting.google.com>...
> webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message
> news:<e298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> --snip--
> > Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> > Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep
> > him interested in any way I can.
>
>
> I'd just let him run what he'd like to run (within reason
> of course). I seem to remember that hormones or some such
> are not really set up yet for little guys his age to gain
> a lot with training.

With all the Genetically Modified Food that they eat these
days, it's not hard to imagine them having hormones.

MWL

-----------------------------------------------------

In March of last year, as the invasion of Iraq began, Mrs.
Bush told Diane Sawyer of ABC News that she wouldn't watch
any television reports about her boy's war because, she
said, "Why should we hear about body bags and death and how
many? ... Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I
waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

> best regards
>
>
> ----
>
> http://runners4bush2004.rantweb.com (http://runners4bush2004.rantweb.com/)
>
> Friday, February 20, 2004 By Brit Hume Vet Benefits
>
>
> John Kerry -- running in part on his record as a Vietnam
> veteran -- insists President Bush -- "[has] not kept faith
> with veterans across the country, and one of the first
> definitions of patriotism is keeping faith with those who
> wore the uniform of our country."
>
> Kerry specifically accuses the president of cutting the
> Veterans Administration budget. But, in fact, that funding
> is now higher than at any point in the past ten years, and
> it's going up twice as fast under President Bush than
> under President Clinton.
>
> What's more, according to the University of Pennsylvania's
> Annenberg Public Policy Center, the number of veterans
> receiving health benefits is going up 25 percent under
> President Bush's budgets.

Ozzie Gontang

In article <ef4ae521.0404270547.1d465c87@posting.google.com>, Kerry
Wilson <kxwilson@erols.com> wrote:

> webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message
> news:<e298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> > My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run this
> > past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his age
> > group with a time of 7:16. When completeing his race he
> > decided that he also wanted to run the 10K with the
> > adults, also through the woods. Against my better
> > judgement I let him. He shocked us all. He placed 1st in
> > his age group, he was the only one in it. He ran it in
> > 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He has now decided
> > that he only wants to run 10k's no more 1 miles or 5K's.
> > Does anyone know of some training resources for him?
> > Everyday he asks when is the next race. I want to keep
> > him interested in any way I can.
>
> There was at one time a suspicion among coaches that
> distance training at an early age (<15 y.o) had an adverse
> impact on growth. I don't know whether this is an old
> coach's tale or whether it has merit, but I've mentioned
> it to several people, and a very common response is,
> "Hmmm.. maybe that's why ...."

Ernst Van Aaken the German Coach used to say that kids
around 9 or 10 had a VW body with a Porsche racing engine
for a heart.

Check out Pete Saccone's Funner to be A Runner which he has
been doing for over 20 years with his 5th graders out in El
Cajon. Read this piece first: http://www.kidsrunning.com/co-
lumns/krcolumns111102saccone.html followed by:
http://www.kidsrunning.com/krsaccone.html

Also it's an interesting site: http://www.kidsrunning.com/

You can purchase Pete's book:

Booklet from the "It's Funner to be a Runner" program, by
Pete Saccone, the running teacher featured in the
September 2000 issue of Runner's World Those who are truly
interested in implementing this program should send an $8
check to: Peter P. Saccone 11432 Via Rancho San Diego #116
El Cajon, CA 92019
(619) 670-4555

In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer -
rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est.
1975

Mindful Running: http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-
faq/

Deni

> If it took you 9 years to run a 5k, you should consider
> running may not be your cup of tea.

Well it did not take me 9 years to run a 5K, my 9 year old
ran a 5K. haha

If anyone would like to follow his progress please visit
http://www.a2zstudio.com/tonyraces.htm.

Dwjones45

this subject makes my blood boil. in my opinion there is no way that a 9
year old should be running 10k's not to mention the amount of miles they
would have to train in order to run these 10k's and in some cases marathons.
their bodies simply have not matured enough to handle that kind of distance.
now i have seen time and time again coaches having 13, 14 and 15 year olds
being made to run up to 60 to 70 miles per week during the summer in
preparation for cross country season. what could these so called experts be
thinking by having such young people running this kind of distance. well
show me a runner who is putting in this kind of distance at such a young age
and i will show u a runner who is burnt out and injury prone by the time he
or she is 18.
"Ozzie Gontang" <gontang215@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:280420042204183754%gontang215@sbcglobal.net...
> In article
> <ef4ae521.0404270547.1d465c87@posting.google.com>, Kerry
> Wilson <kxwilson@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e-
> > 298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> > > My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run
> > > this past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his
> > > age group with a time of 7:16. When completeing his
> > > race he decided that he also wanted to run the 10K
> > > with the adults, also through the woods. Against my
> > > better judgement I let him. He shocked us all. He
> > > placed 1st in his age group, he was the only one in
> > > it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He
> > > has now decided that he only wants to run 10k's no
> > > more 1 miles or 5K's. Does anyone know of some
> > > training resources for him? Everyday he asks when is
> > > the next race. I want to keep him interested in any
> > > way I can.
> >
> > There was at one time a suspicion among coaches that
> > distance training at an early age (<15 y.o) had an
> > adverse impact on growth. I don't know whether this is
> > an old coach's tale or whether it has merit, but I've
> > mentioned it to several people, and a very common
> > response is, "Hmmm.. maybe that's why ...."
>
>
> Ernst Van Aaken the German Coach used to say that kids
> around 9 or 10 had a VW body with a Porsche racing engine
> for a heart.
>
> Check out Pete Saccone's Funner to be A Runner which he
> has been doing for over 20 years with his 5th graders out
> in El Cajon. Read this piece first: http://www.kidsrunnin- (http://www.kidsrunnin-/)
> g.com/columns/krcolumns111102saccone.html followed by:
> http://www.kidsrunning.com/krsaccone.html
>
> Also it's an interesting site: http://www.kidsrunning.com/
>
>
> You can purchase Pete's book:
>
> Booklet from the "It's Funner to be a Runner" program, by
> Pete Saccone, the running teacher featured in the
> September 2000 issue of Runner's World Those who are truly
> interested in implementing this program should send an $8
> check to: Peter P. Saccone 11432 Via Rancho San Diego #116
> El Cajon, CA 92019
> (619) 670-4555
>
>
> In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer -
> rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,
> est. 1975
>
> Mindful Running: http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

_!_

webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e298c4c8.0405020611.201af4b8@posting.google.com>...
> Well it did not take me 9 years to run a 5K, my 9 year old
> ran a 5K.
>

Oh I see... you are one of those abusive, bullying parents
who lives their childhood dreams through their childs life,
thereby depriving her of a normal childhood.

Becca

webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e298c4c8.0404081634.5201d6c@posting.google.com>...
> notwarburton69@hotmail.com (Not HIM) wrote in message
> news:<cd9b0843.0404080926.6cabf70a@posting.google.com>...
> > You horrible little man, forcing your young child to
> > live his life through your aged dreams. You've just been
> > reported to the child welfare authority. Have fun in
> > jail pervert.
> >
> > webmaster@a2zstudio.com (Deni) wrote in message news:<e-
> > 298c4c8.0404071526.745daf66@posting.google.com>...
> > > My 9 year old ran the Eddie's BBQ 1 mile Trail Run
> > > this past weekend. He did great he placed 1st in his
> > > age group with a time of 7:16. When completeing his
> > > race he decided that he also wanted to run the 10K
> > > with the adults, also through the woods. Against my
> > > better judgement I let him. He shocked us all. He
> > > placed 1st in his age group, he was the only one in
> > > it. He ran it in 56:38 placing 49 out of 83 people. He
> > > has now decided that he only wants to run 10k's no
> > > more 1 miles or 5K's. Does anyone know of some
> > > training resources for him? Everyday he asks when is
> > > the next race. I want to keep him interested in any
> > > way I can.
>
> My child runs because he wants to. He did not want to play
> baseball, football, or basketball, he would much perfer
> going outside to run or ride his bike instead of sitting
> in front of the television or playing video games. If he
> is enjoying a healthy sport I will support him 100%.

Deni -

It is great your son enjoys running. Too many kids today
exercise only their thumbs (remotes/video games).

However, you might encourage your son to try other sports as
well. Kids that are so-called "generalists" are less likely
to suffer injuries and burnout.

It sounds like he might be drawn to individual activites.
Maybe a karate class, tennis lessons, swim team or some time
at a local rock-climbing wall may offer a little bit of "cross-
training".

If he likes to run and bike, he might consider WonderBread
IronKid mini-tri.

I'm glad your son is so excited but you probably do want to
encourage him to be an exercise omnivore. Support his
passion for running while exposing him to new sports.

He'll be greatful when he still can go out and enjoy
running at 40.

Deni

Update:

My son ran his first 5K yesterday, he did well 25:58. There
were 2 Jr. High coaches there that are fighting over which
team he will run for. haha Thanks for all of your support! I
will keep ya'll posted on his progress.

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