Killing a cyclist - not OT
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This isn't OT.
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"Fatal crash: driver banned
April 16, 2004 07:00
A 23-year-old man was yesterday fined £600 and banned from
driving for 12 months after he admitted failing to stop in
an accident in which a 33-year-old King's Lynn man died.
Jason Wyllie, of Templemead, appeared at King's Lynn
Magistrates' Court where he admitted careless driving,
failing to stop and failing to report an accident.
The charges related to an incident on the A148 Wootton Road,
Lynn, in December last year.
Wyllie had been driving his Ford Escort car after a day out
with his partner and their three-year-old child.
Dorothy Pulsford-Harris, prosecuting, told the court Wyllie
was travelling towards South Wootton when he was involved in
a collision with cyclist Thomas Meehan, of Lowfields, Lynn.
Mr Meehan died at the scene from his multiple injuries.
The court heard that Wyllie made no attempt to report the
accident nor to stop at the scene.
When police subsequently interviewed him, Wyllie originally
said he had hit a deer.
Neil Meachem, for Wyllie, said he claimed the cyclist just
appeared in front of him, giving him no chance to stop.
Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and made
his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset and
deeply regretted not reporting what happened.
Sentencing Wyllie, magistrates' chairman Peter Hammond said:
"This is an incident which ended with the death of Mr Meehan
but there is nothing which this court can to do alter what
has happened.
"Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably haunt
him for the rest of his days."
But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie
failing to stop and when seen by the police, he
compounded this by lying.
Wyllie was fined £200 for careless driving, £200 for failing
to report an accident and £200 for failing to stop.
He was also ordered to pay £60 costs and was banned from
driving for 12 months.
Wyllie will have to take another driving test when his ban
is complete."
So that's it then, once again it is shown that if you kill
a cyclist, don't stop, don't report the "accident" and
then lie to the police about it, it's worth a total of
£660 and a 12-month ban. I can take on board that in a
collision it isn't always the fault of the motorist but
what I cannot stomach is the failure to stop, the non-
reporting to the police and then the lying about it all.
Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the earth for the total
disregard for the life of another.
helen s
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On 16 Apr 2004 08:00:38 GMT someone who may be
wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote
this:-
>>Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and made
>>his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset and
>>deeply regretted not reporting what happened.
When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
regret not reporting what happened? I suggest this
conversion occurred a short time before the court
appearance.
>>"Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably
>>haunt him for the rest of his days."
Possibly.
>>But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie failing
>>to stop and when seen by the police, he compounded this
>>by lying.
So, he was not deeply upset and regretful when seen by the
police. It would appear that he was not deeply upset and
regretful for killing someone.
>I can take on board that in a collision it isn't always the
>fault of the motorist but what I cannot stomach is the
>failure to stop, the non-reporting to the police and then
>the lying about it all. Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the
>earth for the total disregard for the life of another.
Agreed. Upstanding people are prepared to be accountable for
their actions, not try and worm their way out of things.
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David Hansen wrote:
> When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
> regret not reporting what happened? I suggest this
> conversion occurred a short time before the court
> appearance.
Probably it was about the time when he was apprehended and
realised that he was going to be charged with leaving the
scene, rather than the trivial offence of killing someone,
so would probably lose his licence.
--
Guy
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I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
reflect on how the law values human life against the
airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?
Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/dorset/3-
632417.stm
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> I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
> months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
> reflect on how the law values human life against the
> airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?
>
> Full story:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/dorset/363-
> 2417.stm
Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be
going down for!
I would describe the penalty given out as nothing more than a mere inconvenience to the driver of the car.
How can a few hundred quid and a 12 month ban possibly equate with killing someone by driving stupidly.
This world is surely without reason!!!
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:09:55 +0100, "Simon D" <NOSPAM@NOSPAMmsn.com>
wrote:
>I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
>months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
>reflect on how the law values human life against the
>airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?
>
>Full story:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/dorset/36-
>32417.stm
>
Thats him dealt with.. Now nail the gits with the
hedge trimmers.
Richard Webb
David Hansen wrote:
>
> On 16 Apr 2004 08:00:38 GMT someone who may be
> wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom
> (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote this:-
>
> >>Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and
> >>made his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset
> >>and deeply regretted not reporting what happened.
>
> When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
> regret not reporting what happened?
When the b*st*rd got caught.
John B
On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable doubt that the cyclist is to blame.
Therefore, if a driver hits a cyclist, and it is the driver's fault, isn't it an automatic charge of manslaughter?
dannyfrankszzz wrote:
> On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a
> driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's
> fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable
> doubt that the cyclist is to blame.
Depends on the jurisdiction. Some countrie have laws like
this, others do not.
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dannyfrankszzz <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> writes:
>On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a
>driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's
>fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable
>doubt that the cyclist is to blame.
I remembered a law like that in the Netherlands and found a
1-page summary which I will summarise further...: A law
stating that the driver of the car in a collision involving
pedestrians or cyclists is always fully responsible was
proposed in 1997. It met with a lot of resistance and was
withdrawn in 1999. A new version was amended to excempt
situations where the pedestrian/cyclist was acting
"recklessly". As this term wasn't defined very clearly this
law disappeared as well. Current situation is the
jurispridence which has grown over time. This is that the
driver is responsible for at least 50% of the damages, the
other 50% is divided according to who's fault it was. If the
cyclist is younger than 14 the driver is almost always held
responsible.
(and this raises probably more questions than it answers...)
Roos
wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in
news:20040416040038.23150.00000403@mb-m22.aol.com:
> Sentencing Wyllie, magistrates' chairman Peter Hammond
> said: "This is an incident which ended with the death of
> Mr Meehan but there is nothing which this court can to do
> alter what has happened.
>
> "Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably
> haunt him for the rest of his days."
I'm sure there's people convicted of manslaughter who are
full of remorse and will be haunted for the rest of their
days, but since when have they gotten off with a fine?
>
> But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie failing
> to stop and when seen by the police, he compounded this
> by lying.
Surely if he'd been so remorseful he wouldn't have hidden
what he'd done.
Sickening.
"dannyfrankszzz" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:%DSfc.60477$1I3.32393@fe17.usenetserver.com...
> I would describe the penalty given out as nothing more
> than a mere inconvenience to the driver of the car.
>
> How can a few hundred quid and a 12 month ban possibly
> equate with killing someone by driving stupidly.
>
> This world is surely without reason!!!
>
>
How do you know he was driving stupidly? Don't get me wrong,
he should have the book thrown at him for leaving the scene
and not reporting it, but I see plenty of cyclists cycling
stupidly as well as poor drivers.
"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom> wrote in
message news:20040416040038.23150.00000403@mb-m22.aol.com...
> A 23-year-old man was yesterday fined £600 and banned from
> driving for 12 months after he admitted failing to stop in
> an accident in which a
33-year-old
> King's Lynn man died.
Contrast this to a local story where a young woman who was
the getaway driver for a man who held up a security guard
with a fake pistol was jailed for 9 years! Presumably she
had no previous because it would normally be mentioned by
the papers if she had. The judge said the harshness of the
sentence was to reflect her lack of remorse. Within a few
days of sentencing she committed suicide.
So there you have it, presumably she would have been dealt
with entirely differently if instead of being the getaway
driver she had used the car to knock down the guard to
enable her partner to relieve him of his money without
recourse to a fake pistol.
Something wrong somewhere :-( (And it's the leaving the
scene that really pisses me off, the action of the
morally bankrupt)
--
Regards, Pete
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
> This isn't OT.
>
>
> "Fatal crash: driver banned
>
Ah, the Motor Car - modern weapon of choice if you need to
get rid of someone - presumably hit men must be suffering
bad times...
The modern world consists of some highly f*cked up
values IMHO.
--
Chris
wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in message news:<20040416040038.23150.00000403@mb-m22.aol.com>...
> So that's it then, once again it is shown that if you kill
> a cyclist, don't stop, don't report the "accident" and
> then lie to the police about it, it's worth a total of
> £660 and a 12-month ban. I can take on board that in a
> collision it isn't always the fault of the motorist but
> what I cannot stomach is the failure to stop, the non-
> reporting to the police and then the lying about it all.
> Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the earth for the total
> disregard for the life of another.
Thanks, Helen. My sentiments exactly. :-(
--
Dave...
Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94CD9AF4739B1pleasegivegenerously@195.92.193.157>...
> Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be going
> down for!
Those are only bicycle tyres and therefore don't count. The
only people inconvenienced are cyclists whose lives are
worth less than a few MDG tyres.
--
Dave...
"Dave Kahn" <dkahn400@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:57db8bde.0404160942.1d1db4ea@posting.google.com...
> Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote
> in message
news:<Xns94CD9AF4739B1pleasegivegenerously@195.92.193.157>.-
..
>
> > Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be going
> > down for!
>
> Those are only bicycle tyres and therefore don't count.
> The only people inconvenienced are cyclists whose lives
> are worth less than a few MDG tyres.
>
The no stop killer driver ought really to get a visit
from the relatives of the bereaved and have his lying
tongue cut out.
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:38:50 +0000 (UTC), Iain Jones
<iain.jones1980@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
<Xns94CDB3765E8AEiainjones1980btinter@217.32.252.50>:
>I'm sure there's people convicted of manslaughter who are
>full of remorse and will be haunted for the rest of their
>days, but since when have they gotten off with a fine?
Recidivism rates for murder and manslaughter are far lower
than for bad driving, for sure.
--
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:59:53 +0100, "Nick" <nick@nicknick.com> wrote
in message <4080110d$0$6170$afc38c87@news.easynet.co.uk>:
>How do you know he was driving stupidly?
What incentive is there to leave the scene if he was
innocent?
In the last such case there was evidence that the driver had
been drinking. Her contrition surfaced the following
morning, when she presented herself at the cop shop (the
punishment was still less than she would have got for DD,
even though she killed someone, failed to stop and give aid,
failed to call an ambulance, and failed to report at the
time). There is no suggestion this driver gave himself up
prior to being traced.
In any case, I have read that leaving the scene is becoming
more common where the driver is over the limit. Causing
death is treated more leniently than drunk driving. Which is
utterly wrong, in my view.
--
Guy
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