A good idea from wreck.bikes
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Posted elsewhere by Zippy:
"There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since forgotten
which one -- who had this idea. Everyone would be issued
these little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that had a
little flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot them at
any driver they saw doing something, well, stupid. If any
law enforcement officer saw a car with five or more "stupid"
darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the driver
without further ado."
That has a certain appeal :-)
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in
news:bk1580hfebiqjplbebn5qu1esn50lr9i3j@4ax.com:
> Posted elsewhere by Zippy:
>
> "There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since
> forgotten which one -- who had this idea. Everyone would
> be issued these little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that
> had a little flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot
> them at any driver they saw doing something, well, stupid.
> If any law enforcement officer saw a car with five or more
> "stupid" darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the
> driver without further ado."
>
> That has a certain appeal :-)
>
I like it!!
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:bk1580hfebiqjplbebn5qu1esn50lr9i3j@4ax.com...
> Posted elsewhere by Zippy:
>
> "There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since
> forgotten which one -- who had this idea. Everyone would
> be issued these little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that
> had a little flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot
> them at any driver they saw doing something, well, stupid.
> If any law enforcement officer saw a car with five or more
> "stupid" darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the
> driver without further ado."
Good idea, but you'd have to have a large trailer to carry
the ammunition!
>
> That has a certain appeal :-)
>
> --
> Guy
> ===
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle
> after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk (http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/)
>
> 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
> Washington University
burt wrote:
> Good idea, but you'd have to have a large trailer to carry
> the ammunition!
We could set up a guard of honour for P**l Sm**h, and pepper
his car whenever he goes out....
Regards,
Pete.
Peter Connolly wrote:
> burt wrote:
>
>>Good idea, but you'd have to have a large trailer to carry
>>the ammunition!
>
>
> We could set up a guard of honour for P**l Sm**h, and
> pepper his car whenever he goes out....
>
I don't think he does go out :-)
Peter
"Peter Connolly" <newsgroupsdemon@removethisbitacutecomputing.co.uk> wrote
in message news:c605jv$mrk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> burt wrote:
> > Good idea, but you'd have to have a large trailer to
> > carry the ammunition!
>
> We could set up a guard of honour for P**l Sm**h, and
> pepper his car whenever he goes out....
Two problems
a) no-one on the group lives within 150 miles (one hour's
drive?) of him
b) thats one hell of a fast moving target.
Jon Senior wrote:
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
>>-- who had this idea. Everyone would be issued these
>>little dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that had a little
>>flag on it that said "STUPID". They'd shoot them at any
>>driver they saw doing something, well, stupid. If any law
>>enforcement officer saw a car with five or more "stupid"
>>darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the driver
>>without further ado."
> ... Incidentally, Which Online is offering a free digital
> camera to all new subscribers (30 day free trial, you can
> cancel before it ends and still keep your camera!). It's
> not brilliant, but it's small enough to attach easily to
> the frame and could be used to provide evidence, or to log
> number plates of idiot drivers (There are often too many
> on Leith Walk to remember them all!).
I had a similar idea. If two or three unconnected people
report separate incidents of dangerous behaviour by the same
driver, this should be taken as sufficient proof for a
dangerous driving conviction. This would get over the
problem of police ignoring complaints not supported by
witnesses.
Colin Mckenzie
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damned lies instead!
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:43:07 +0100, Colin McKenzie <news@proof-read.co.uk>
wrote:
> I had a similar idea. If two or three unconnected people
> report separate incidents of dangerous behaviour by the
> same driver, this should be taken as sufficient proof for
> a dangerous driving conviction. This would get over the
> problem of police ignoring complaints not supported by
> witnesses.
Problem is you need several willing people to actually see
the incident. Like the guy I saw yesterday tailgating
another car through an urban area while on the phone. He
drove straight past the fron of the police station while
doing this but I don't think the police look out the windows
Also, if there was a hint that the witnesses had got
together before reporting the incident then the police might
consider some sort of collusion was going on.
Colin
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Colin Blackburn wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:43:07 +0100, Colin McKenzie
>> I had a similar idea. If two or three unconnected people
>> report separate incidents of dangerous behaviour by the
>> same driver, this should be taken as sufficient proof for
>> a dangerous driving conviction. This would get over the
>> problem of police ignoring complaints not supported by
>> witnesses.
>
> Problem is you need several willing people to actually
> see the incident. Like the guy I saw yesterday
> tailgating another car through an urban area while on
> the phone. He drove straight past the fron of the police
> station while doing this but I don't think the police
> look out the windows
NO, several people seeing separate (but similar) incidents -
this should carry the same weight as several people seeing
the same incident.
> Also, if there was a hint that the witnesses had got
> together before reporting the incident then the police
> might consider some sort of collusion was going on.
A risk - but I think the burden of proof could be on the
driver to prove collusion, as in this case the witnesses
would be innocent (of collusion) until proven guilty.
Colin McKenzie
--
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damned lies instead!
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:17:17 +0100, Colin McKenzie <news@proof-read.co.uk>
wrote:
> NO, several people seeing separate (but similar) incidents
> - this should carry the same weight as several people
> seeing the same incident.
Sorry I misread that but that's either more unlikely to
happen or...
> A risk - but I think the burden of proof could be on the
> driver to prove collusion, as in this case the witnesses
> would be innocent (of collusion) until proven guilty.
...or more obvious collusion. The driver would have to prove
nothing, it's what the CPS/police would consider which is
important.
Colin
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:00:26 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon.co.uk> wrote:
> "Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in
> message news:opr6q0fdofyxrafp@nntphost.dur.ac.uk...
>> ...or more obvious collusion. The driver would have to
>> prove nothing, it's what the CPS/police would consider
>> which is important.
>
> 3 cyclists on the same road all witness someone driving
> like a tit. All three take a photo and report it. This is
> not collusion, it is three separate incidents, and someone
> who drives like a tit at one point will usually continue
> to do so down the length of the road.
Indeed, but the original suggestion for this however was
about organised behaviour.
Colin
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"Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote
> > 3 cyclists on the same road all witness someone driving
> > like a tit. All three take a photo and report it. This
> > is not collusion, it is three separate incidents, and
> > someone who drives like a tit at one point will usually
> > continue to do so down the length of the road.
>
> Indeed, but the original suggestion for this however was
> about organised behaviour.
I thought that the original suggestion for this was mine,
with regard to a small, free, digital camera. I believe the
comments were meant to suggest that if enough people adopted
a practice of reporting bad driving, the same drivers would
ultimately get reported enough times to prompt action from
the police (Naive, but possible!).
Jon
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:17:17 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon.co.uk> wrote:
> I thought that the original suggestion for this was mine,
> with regard to a small, free, digital camera. I believe
> the comments were meant to suggest that if enough people
> adopted a practice of reporting bad driving, the same
> drivers would ultimately get reported enough times to
> prompt action from the police (Naive, but possible!).
Yes, sorry, on re-reading the thread I realise I was reading
too much organisation into the plans! I guess your
suggestions and Colin M's follow-up boil down to asking
evryone to report bad driving whenever they see it. Probably
naive :-( and it would involve the police actually recording
and then cross checking complaints. With my mentioned
incident I was yards from the police station but as I didn't
notice the reg plate I don't think they'd have been
interested despite the proximity.
Colin
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:17:17 +0100, "Jon Senior"
<jon_AT_restlesslemon.co.uk> wrote (more or less):
>"Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote
>> > 3 cyclists on the same road all witness someone driving
>> > like a tit. All three take a photo and report it. This
>> > is not collusion, it is three separate incidents, and
>> > someone who drives like a tit at one point will usually
>> > continue to do so down the length of the road.
>>
>> Indeed, but the original suggestion for this however was
>> about organised behaviour.
>
>I thought that the original suggestion for this was mine,
>with regard to a small, free, digital camera. I believe the
>comments were meant to suggest that if enough people
>adopted a practice of reporting bad driving, the same
>drivers would ultimately get reported enough times to
>prompt action from the police (Naive, but possible!).
The problem is that by the time the incident happens, you
get out the camera/get it pointed at the right place, the
incident is over, or the relevant number-plate is out of
camera range.
What ewe need is a camera that, when you hit the button,
then records whatever it has 'seen' during the preceding
30/45/60 seconds.
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> What ewe need is a camera that, when you hit the button,
> then records whatever it has 'seen' during the preceding
> 30/45/60 seconds.
The inside of your pocket?
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:38:11 +0100, Gawnsoft
<xlucid@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net> wrote:
> The problem is that by the time the incident happens, you
> get out the camera/get it pointed at the right place, the
> incident is over, or the relevant number-plate is out of
> camera range.
>
> What ewe need is a camera that, when you hit the button,
> then records whatever it has 'seen' during the preceding
> 30/45/60 seconds.
The camera equivalent of a Tivo or some mindisc recorders.
These both buffer the default source for some fixed time and
include that buffer in the recording when record is hit.
Great for catching the start of TV or radio programmes as
long as you are tuned to the right channel.
A digital camera working something like this, within the
limitations od CCDs, would probably eat batteries.
Colin
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