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Psycholist
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Only in Florida is right!
The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle
manufacturer and wanted to prove that they were as efficient
as "regular" bikes.
HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
flattest stretch of road on the planet. I'd like to see him
bring that bike up here to the hill country and we could see
how efficient it is here. Sheesh. I didn't see a picture,
but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.
Bob C.
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> http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
>
Only in Florida is right!
The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle
manufacturer and wanted to prove that they were as efficient
as "regular" bikes.
HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
flattest stretch of road on the planet. I'd like to see him
bring that bike up here to the hill country and we could see
how efficient it is here. Sheesh. I didn't see a picture,
but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.
Bob C.
Gerard Lanois
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:
> http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
What, they don't know the difference between "peddle"
and "pedal"?
-Gerard
> http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
What, they don't know the difference between "peddle"
and "pedal"?
-Gerard
Derek
He was riding this bike
http://tinyurl.com/2u86b
No fairing, but a set of Rotor cranks. . .
"psycholist" <technico@wctel.net> wrote in message
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> "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
> >
>
>
> Only in Florida is right!
>
> The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle
> manufacturer and wanted
to
> prove that they were as efficient as "regular" bikes.
>
> HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
> flattest stretch
of
> road on the planet. I'd like to see him bring that bike up
> here to the
hill
> country and we could see how efficient it is here. Sheesh.
> I didn't see
a
> picture, but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.
>
> Bob C.
http://tinyurl.com/2u86b
No fairing, but a set of Rotor cranks. . .
"psycholist" <technico@wctel.net> wrote in message
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> "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
> >
>
>
> Only in Florida is right!
>
> The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle
> manufacturer and wanted
to
> prove that they were as efficient as "regular" bikes.
>
> HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
> flattest stretch
of
> road on the planet. I'd like to see him bring that bike up
> here to the
hill
> country and we could see how efficient it is here. Sheesh.
> I didn't see
a
> picture, but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.
>
> Bob C.
Derek
Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought
the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I met
John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry Pie
crit in Napa.
We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
stomach kept me from breathing well and my beard kept
flying up into my face, so he lapped me a bunch of times.
He's lost a lost of weight in the past year and used to
race as a Cat 2.
I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
Cat 8 or something. . .
"Gerard Lanois" <gerardlanois@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
>
> What, they don't know the difference between "peddle" and
> "pedal"?
>
> -Gerard
the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I met
John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry Pie
crit in Napa.
We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
stomach kept me from breathing well and my beard kept
flying up into my face, so he lapped me a bunch of times.
He's lost a lost of weight in the past year and used to
race as a Cat 2.
I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
Cat 8 or something. . .
"Gerard Lanois" <gerardlanois@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
>
> What, they don't know the difference between "peddle" and
> "pedal"?
>
> -Gerard
John Smith
"Cho Ituo" bicyclerider@yahoo.com wrote in a message
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How can this happen?
http://tinyurl.com/2h2xl
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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How can this happen?
http://tinyurl.com/2h2xl
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Alex Rodriguez
In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>,
derek@sonic.net says...
>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an
edge. Let them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
----------------
Alex
derek@sonic.net says...
>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an
edge. Let them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
----------------
Alex
Joe Keenan
Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message news:<c666us$b34$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> derek@sonic.net says...
> >
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
>
> Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an
> edge. Let them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
> ----------------
> Alex
Alex,
They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
result being that the UCI changed the definition and
dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about mass
production and economics. And there's no way this will ever
be settled because the racer wanna bees are raised on DF
bikes. Forget about flat...it's just not a level playing
field in today's competition.
Have fun whatever you ride.
Slow Joe Recumbo
> In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> derek@sonic.net says...
> >
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
>
> Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an
> edge. Let them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
> ----------------
> Alex
Alex,
They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
result being that the UCI changed the definition and
dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about mass
production and economics. And there's no way this will ever
be settled because the racer wanna bees are raised on DF
bikes. Forget about flat...it's just not a level playing
field in today's competition.
Have fun whatever you ride.
Slow Joe Recumbo
Tm
"Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> > In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > derek@sonic.net
says...
<snip>
> They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
> result being that the UCI changed the definition and
> dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
> you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about
> mass production and economics.
Do you mean like GM is supposed to have stolen mass transit
from US cities, otherwise we'd all being riding trolleys to
work? Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and
the diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
corporate conspiracy?
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> Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> > In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > derek@sonic.net
says...
<snip>
> They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
> result being that the UCI changed the definition and
> dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
> you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about
> mass production and economics.
Do you mean like GM is supposed to have stolen mass transit
from US cities, otherwise we'd all being riding trolleys to
work? Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and
the diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
corporate conspiracy?
Derek
Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.
I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to work
today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride thru
thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and manuvering
to survive. I live in a town where two DF roadies have been
mowed down and killed and another maimed within the space of
the last two weeks by drunk drivers. The upright is a better
choice for that kind of riding. Period.
The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under ideal
conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows more
about his training and heart for winning the race than the
type of bike he was riding.
Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or moderately
downhill with a relatively good road surface.
The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly increases
the snap in your legs a lot and will give you a competitive
advantage in a sprint situation. It also increases your
pedaling smoothness for some reason, I don't know why. I get
the same result with my fixed gear bike.
(TM's post snipped)
> Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and the
> diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
> corporate conspiracy?
meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.
I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to work
today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride thru
thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and manuvering
to survive. I live in a town where two DF roadies have been
mowed down and killed and another maimed within the space of
the last two weeks by drunk drivers. The upright is a better
choice for that kind of riding. Period.
The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under ideal
conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows more
about his training and heart for winning the race than the
type of bike he was riding.
Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or moderately
downhill with a relatively good road surface.
The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly increases
the snap in your legs a lot and will give you a competitive
advantage in a sprint situation. It also increases your
pedaling smoothness for some reason, I don't know why. I get
the same result with my fixed gear bike.
(TM's post snipped)
> Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and the
> diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
> corporate conspiracy?
Tm
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
> meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>
My point exactly.
You enjoy what you ride and can understand why somebody else
would enjoy riding something different. Well done.
The whole 'the future was stolen from the recumbent by a
bunch of European bureaucrats' deal struck me as absurd.
news:WQ_hc.7688$Fo4.95401@typhoon.sonic.net...
> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
> meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>
My point exactly.
You enjoy what you ride and can understand why somebody else
would enjoy riding something different. Well done.
The whole 'the future was stolen from the recumbent by a
bunch of European bureaucrats' deal struck me as absurd.
Joe Keenan
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<WQ_hc.7688$Fo4.95401@typhoon.sonic.net>...
> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
> meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>
> The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
> for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
> trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
> ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.
>
> I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to
> work today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride
> thru thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and
> manuvering to survive. I live in a town where two DF
> roadies have been mowed down and killed and another
> maimed within the space of the last two weeks by drunk
> drivers. The upright is a better choice for that kind of
> riding. Period.
>
> The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
> the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under
> ideal conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows
> more about his training and heart for winning the race
> than the type of bike he was riding.
>
> Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
> is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or
> moderately downhill with a relatively good road surface.
>
> The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
> intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly
> increases the snap in your legs a lot and will give you
> a competitive advantage in a sprint situation. It also
> increases your pedaling smoothness for some reason, I
> don't know why. I get the same result with my fixed
> gear bike.
>
Good Morning Derek,
Two things:
First, you misunderstood my reply. There was no bashing of
the UCI decision. The point was simply that there was a time
where recumbent racers were consistently besting DF racers
on terrain that wasn't flat. Believe it or not, I'm a
recumbent rider and agree with the UCI decision because the
basis was "....the race should be decided on the
bicyclist....not the bicycle...", if I remember my UCI
cycling history correctly. The other part of that is simply
the UCI decision did change the course of bicycle design and
production and thus mass market appeal. It's not woulda,
coulda shoulda. It's just history.
Second, you're right in just about everything else you say
about the DF bike. What will be interesting is to see what
happens down the line if up and coming fast bicycle racers
decide to give the recumbent 'highracer' design a try.
What's great is that there are all kinds of bike designs for
different situations. Like you, given a choice for city
riding, I'll hop on my SAT R DAY and leave the Strada
hanging in the garage.
Third, for a race, what about a DF bike versus a highracer
with NO PACELINE? You say: "..The upright bike is also
faster than an unfaired bent, if the DF is in a group of
smoothly working riders under ideal conditions." Just for
fun, it would be interesting to see one bike versus another
bike with riders of equal ability and NO PACE LINE. John
Schlitter proved in "A" race that a bent can beat a
DF. Granted, it be only one race. My opinion always has
been that the bent wins on a flat to moderately rolling
course and the DF wins on a hilly or very hilly course.
Tailwinds
Slow Joe Recumbo
> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
> meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>
> The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
> for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
> trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
> ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.
>
> I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to
> work today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride
> thru thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and
> manuvering to survive. I live in a town where two DF
> roadies have been mowed down and killed and another
> maimed within the space of the last two weeks by drunk
> drivers. The upright is a better choice for that kind of
> riding. Period.
>
> The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
> the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under
> ideal conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows
> more about his training and heart for winning the race
> than the type of bike he was riding.
>
> Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
> is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or
> moderately downhill with a relatively good road surface.
>
> The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
> intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly
> increases the snap in your legs a lot and will give you
> a competitive advantage in a sprint situation. It also
> increases your pedaling smoothness for some reason, I
> don't know why. I get the same result with my fixed
> gear bike.
>
Good Morning Derek,
Two things:
First, you misunderstood my reply. There was no bashing of
the UCI decision. The point was simply that there was a time
where recumbent racers were consistently besting DF racers
on terrain that wasn't flat. Believe it or not, I'm a
recumbent rider and agree with the UCI decision because the
basis was "....the race should be decided on the
bicyclist....not the bicycle...", if I remember my UCI
cycling history correctly. The other part of that is simply
the UCI decision did change the course of bicycle design and
production and thus mass market appeal. It's not woulda,
coulda shoulda. It's just history.
Second, you're right in just about everything else you say
about the DF bike. What will be interesting is to see what
happens down the line if up and coming fast bicycle racers
decide to give the recumbent 'highracer' design a try.
What's great is that there are all kinds of bike designs for
different situations. Like you, given a choice for city
riding, I'll hop on my SAT R DAY and leave the Strada
hanging in the garage.
Third, for a race, what about a DF bike versus a highracer
with NO PACELINE? You say: "..The upright bike is also
faster than an unfaired bent, if the DF is in a group of
smoothly working riders under ideal conditions." Just for
fun, it would be interesting to see one bike versus another
bike with riders of equal ability and NO PACE LINE. John
Schlitter proved in "A" race that a bent can beat a
DF. Granted, it be only one race. My opinion always has
been that the bent wins on a flat to moderately rolling
course and the DF wins on a hilly or very hilly course.
Tailwinds
Slow Joe Recumbo
Tm
"Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> Two things:
>
> First,
<snip>
> Second
<snip>
> Third,
Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
> Two things:
>
> First,
<snip>
> Second
<snip>
> Third,
Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
Joe Keenan
"TM" <lkjd@lkjk.com> wrote in message news:<108j49dsk4v1f6f@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > Two things:
> >
> > First,
> <snip>
> > Second
> <snip>
> > Third,
>
> Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!! But hey,
tweaked is tweaked! And at my age I have random thoughts.
Sometimes I actually remember some of them.
Slow Joe
> "Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > Two things:
> >
> > First,
> <snip>
> > Second
> <snip>
> > Third,
>
> Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!! But hey,
tweaked is tweaked! And at my age I have random thoughts.
Sometimes I actually remember some of them.
Slow Joe
Tm
"Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> "TM" <lkjd@lkjk.com> wrote in message
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> > "Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > > Two things:
> > >
> > > First,
> > <snip>
> > > Second
> > <snip>
> > > Third,
> >
> > Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
>
> I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!!
I beg your pardon then, good sir!
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> "TM" <lkjd@lkjk.com> wrote in message
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> > "Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > > Two things:
> > >
> > > First,
> > <snip>
> > > Second
> > <snip>
> > > Third,
> >
> > Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!
>
> I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!!
I beg your pardon then, good sir!
David Luecke
The caption under the pic for the article says "peddle."
--
David Luecke Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!) Titusville, Florida
USA http://community.webshots.com/user/david_luecke
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought
> the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I
> met John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry
> Pie crit in Napa.
>
> We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
> stomach kept me
from
> breathing well and my beard kept flying up into my face,
> so he lapped me a bunch of times. He's lost a lost of
> weight in the past year and used to
race
> as a Cat 2.
>
> I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
> normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
> Cat 8 or something. . .
>
>
>
> "Gerard Lanois" <gerardlanois@netscape.net> wrote in
> message news:uoepmj6og.fsf@netscape.net...
> > "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:
> >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
> >
> > What, they don't know the difference between "peddle"
> > and "pedal"?
> >
> > -Gerard
--
David Luecke Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!) Titusville, Florida
USA http://community.webshots.com/user/david_luecke
"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought
> the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I
> met John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry
> Pie crit in Napa.
>
> We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
> stomach kept me
from
> breathing well and my beard kept flying up into my face,
> so he lapped me a bunch of times. He's lost a lost of
> weight in the past year and used to
race
> as a Cat 2.
>
> I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
> normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
> Cat 8 or something. . .
>
>
>
> "Gerard Lanois" <gerardlanois@netscape.net> wrote in
> message news:uoepmj6og.fsf@netscape.net...
> > "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:
> >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
> >
> > What, they don't know the difference between "peddle"
> > and "pedal"?
> >
> > -Gerard
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