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No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going to
ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR
trolls' answer to that.)
Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
-Sonarrat.
On 04/23/2004 09:35 PM, in article BCAF2EA0.32B3%mynick@nospam.hotmail,
"Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote:
> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
> today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
> riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going to
> ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the
> RBR trolls' answer to that.)
Eric Saunders Rahsaan Bahati
> Also, who is this on the right?
> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
A Spaniard with a dark tan, or a Colombian.
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Sonarrat wrote:
> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
> today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
> riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going to
> ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the
> RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>
> Also, who is this on the right?
> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>
> -Sonarrat.
>
Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note in
the US, but it's possibly just a situation waiting for the
"Tiger Woods of Cycling" to arrive. I doubt anyone intellect
would bar the next Nelson Vails.
No man, you're not being racist.
Neither are these guys:
http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html
"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote in
message news:BCAF461A.2D886%stevens@veloworks.com...
> On 04/23/2004 09:35 PM, in article
> BCAF2EA0.32B3%mynick@nospam.hotmail, "Sonarrat"
> <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote:
>
> > No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> > question. Are
there
> > any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to
> > me that even the African teams have riders of Caucasian
> > descent exclusively. (I'm not
going
> > to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
> > the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>
>
> Eric Saunders Rahsaan Bahati
>
>
> > Also, who is this on the right?
> > http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>
>
> A Spaniard with a dark tan, or a Colombian.
>
>
>
> --
> Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
> at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
> servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay
> ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon
> [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew
> double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
Sonarrat wrote:
> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
> today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
> riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going to
> ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the
> RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>
> Also, who is this on the right?
> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>
> -Sonarrat.
How is that a racist question? Wouldn't it be great if
some of the East Africans that regularly dominate all
big distance footraces got some bikes?
Steve
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"Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> > question. Are
there
> > any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to
> > me that even the African teams have riders of Caucasian
> > descent exclusively. (I'm not
going
> > to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
> > the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
> >
> > Also, who is this on the right?
> > http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
> >
> > -Sonarrat.
>
Mederic Clain of Cofidis appears to be of mixed parentage.
His name suggests he or his parents are from the Reunions,
where nearly everyone is of mixed parentage! The racial
makeup there is white, black, brown, indian, asian.
Marlene Blanshay wrote:
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS"
> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message
> news:408AA222.6B0601EF@dentaltwins.com...
>
>>
>>Sonarrat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
>>>question. Are
>>
> there
>
>>>any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me
>>>that even the African teams have riders of Caucasian
>>>descent exclusively. (I'm not
>>
> going
>
>>>to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
>>>the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>>>
>>>Also, who is this on the right?
>>>http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>>>
>>>-Sonarrat.
>>
> Mederic Clain of Cofidis appears to be of mixed parentage.
> His name suggests he or his parents are from the Reunions,
> where nearly everyone is of mixed parentage! The racial
> makeup there is white, black, brown, indian, asian.
>
>
Reunions? No wonder I flunked geography.
Steve
In article <408AA222.6B0601EF@dentaltwins.com>,
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
> > question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
> > today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
> > riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
> > to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
> > the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
> >
> > Also, who is this on the right?
> > http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
> >
> > -Sonarrat.
>
> How is that a racist question?
It's a racist question because it distinguishes between
white and black people. Doesn't mean it's racially offensive
(though it could spur offensive comments), but it is racist.
> Wouldn't it be great if some of the East Africans
> that regularly dominate all big distance footraces
> got some bikes?
That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many
track stars as Africa has. I would call it something of a
crime that the only African
Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of
Italians...
-Sonarrat.
On 04/24/2004 05:07 PM, in article
sonarrat-384BC6.16072324042004@corp.supernews.com, "Sonarrat"
<sonarrat@stormloader.com> wrote:
> In article <408AA222.6B0601EF@dentaltwins.com>, Mark &
> Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>
>>> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
>>> question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
>>> today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
>>> riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
>>> to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
>>> the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>>>
>>> Also, who is this on the right?
>>> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>>>
>>> -Sonarrat.
>>
>> How is that a racist question?
>
> It's a racist question because it distinguishes between
> white and black people. Doesn't mean it's racially
> offensive (though it could spur offensive comments), but
> it is racist.
It's a racial question, not a racist question.
ra·cial*adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of
race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial
groups: racial conflict; racial discrimination.
rac·ist adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the
belief that race accounts for differences in human character
or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>> Wouldn't it be great if some of the East Africans
>> that regularly dominate all big distance footraces
>> got some bikes?
>
> That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many
> track stars as Africa has. I would call it something of a
> crime that the only African
> Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of
> Italians...
>
> -Sonarrat.
--
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at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:
> Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note
> in the US, but it's possibly just a situation waiting for
> the "Tiger Woods of Cycling" to arrive.
He's arrived and gone. Surely Major Taylor qualifies, even
if it was a long time ago.
How about them Chinese? With about a billion bikes in China,
surely they must have a few good riders who could win the
TdF (TIOOYK). What's up with that?
Didier
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1-410-706-2512
In article <ILqdnXFrH69W2BfdRVn-hg@dejazzd.com>,
"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:
> No man, you're not being racist.
>
> Neither are these guys:
> http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html
http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/-
badass.asp
--
tanx, Howard
Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Didier A. Depireux wrote:
> Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note
>>in the US, but it's possibly just a situation waiting for
>>the "Tiger Woods of Cycling" to arrive.
>
>
> He's arrived and gone. Surely Major Taylor qualifies, even
> if it was a long time ago.
>
> How about them Chinese? With about a billion bikes in
> China, surely they must have a few good riders who could
> win the TdF (TIOOYK). What's up with that?
>
> Didier
>
The sure produced a decent basketball player. The shame is
with bicycles being the predominent mode of transportation
in China, they officials are actually banning them, to make
way for CARS. ****.
in article BCB0656A.2DB06%stevens@veloworks.com, Steven L. Sheffield at
stevens@veloworks.com wrote on 4/24/04 5:41 PM:
> On 04/24/2004 05:07 PM, in article sonarrat-
> 384BC6.16072324042004@corp.supernews.com, "Sonarrat"
> <sonarrat@stormloader.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <408AA222.6B0601EF@dentaltwins.com>, Mark &
>> Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist
>>>> question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton
>>>> today? It seems to me that even the African teams have
>>>> riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
>>>> to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want
>>>> the RBR trolls' answer to that.)
>>>>
>>>> Also, who is this on the right?
>>>> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>>>>
>>>> -Sonarrat.
>>>
>>> How is that a racist question?
>>
>> It's a racist question because it distinguishes between
>> white and black people. Doesn't mean it's racially
>> offensive (though it could spur offensive comments), but
>> it is racist.
>
>
>
> It's a racial question, not a racist question.
>
> ra·cial*adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race
> or races.
> 2. Arising from or based on differences among human
> racial groups: racial conflict; racial discrimination.
>
>
> rac·ist adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the
> belief that race accounts for differences in human
> character or ability and that a particular race is
> superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based
> on race.
The fact that the second definition of each word is the same
speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary
widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and
to put out a warning flag.
-Sonarrat.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@stormloader.com> wrote in message
news:sonarrat-384BC6.16072324042004@corp.supernews.com...
>
> That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many
> track stars as Africa has. I would call it something of a
> crime that the only African
> Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of
> Italians...
Italians aren't black?
I like Lance very, very much!
Tony
Sonarrat.
Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <ILqdnXFrH69W2BfdRVn-hg@dejazzd.com>, "hold my
> beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:
>
>
>>No man, you're not being racist.
>>
>>Neither are these guys:
>>http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html
>
>
> http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/b-
> adass.asp
>
Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny.
I'm old and showing my age.
The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to see
what's in them today. I'd say they're killing the magazine.
"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c6hing$iru@dispatch.concentric.net...
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
> > In article <ILqdnXFrH69W2BfdRVn-hg@dejazzd.com>, "hold
> > my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:
> >
> >>No man, you're not being racist.
> >>
> >>Neither are these guys:
> >>http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html
> >
> > http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass-
> > /badass.asp
>
> Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny.
> I'm old and showing my age.
>
> The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to
> see what's in them today. I'd say they're killing the
> magazine.
No amount of copying from past issues will make the modern
Mad anything like the original when they believed that you
got humor from intelligent writers.
In article <c6hing$iru@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass-
> > /badass.asp
> >
>
> Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny.
> I'm old and showing my age.
It seemed like they decided tht the more words they
put out, the funnier it would be. But by the time you
got to the end of an article, you'd forgotten why it
should be funny.
> The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to
> see what's in them today. I'd say they're killing the
> magazine.
It's pretty rank now. No more Dave Berg (he's dead, too
bad). Some of
the movie parodies were hilarious. "Cool Hand Luke" = "Blue
Eyed Kook".
--
tanx, Howard
Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Sonarrat wrote:
> The fact that the second definition of each word is the
> same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary
> widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side
> and to put out a warning flag.
Why, are you the Usenet police?
It's well known that different races have many
differences physiologically besides skin color, some of
which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups
in specific sports.
Does the recognition of reality make me a racist?
--
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"Top Sirloin" <scottjohnson@tornadosaregood.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > The fact that the second definition of each word is the
> > same speaks to
how
> > thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am
> > calling it
racist to
> > be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag.
>
> Why, are you the Usenet police?
>
> It's well known that different races have many
> differences physiologically besides skin color, some of
> which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups
> in specific sports.
>
> Does the recognition of reality make me a racist?
>
Only when you recognize that white people may be better than
black people at certain things. It's fine for you to state
that black people are better at sprinting and basketball,
but if you say that white people are better at cycling and
swimming then you're a racist. :-) You're supposed to not
notice things like that.
"Gooserider" <noway@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Top Sirloin" <scottjohnson@tornadosaregood.kc.rr.com>
> wrote in message news:XqZic.18709$d7.14291@twister.rdc-
> kc.rr.com...
> > Sonarrat wrote:
> >
> > > The fact that the second definition of each word is
> > > the same speaks to
> how
> > > thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am
> > > calling it
> racist to
> > > be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag.
> >
> > Why, are you the Usenet police?
> >
> > It's well known that different races have many
> > differences physiologically besides skin color, some of
> > which accounts for the dominance of certain racial
> > groups in specific sports.
> >
> > Does the recognition of reality make me a racist?
> >
> Only when you recognize that white people may be better
> than black people at certain things. It's fine for you to
> state that black people are better at sprinting and
> basketball, but if you say that white people are better at
> cycling and swimming then you're a racist. :-) You're
> supposed to not notice things like that.
Like what? (how'd I do?)
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