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Jon Senior wrote:
> Credit where credit's due. He replied. ... The Transport
> Research Laboratory measure bicycle helmet wearing rates
> periodically. The latest survey we have, which is for
> 2002, shows that cyclists are increasingly likely to
> choose to wear helmets. The proportion of all cyclists
> wearing helmets on major built up roads rose from 16% in
> 1994 to 25% in 2002. However, this was not true for
> teenage boys, only 12% of whom wore helmets in 2002
> compared with 16% in 1994.
Does anyone else share my suspicion that the correct
interpretation of the above figures is: we didn't measure
teenage boys separately in 1994, so we assumed the average
figure. When we did measure them, they wore helmets less
than average.
Colin McKenzie
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damned lies instead!
On Mon, 03 May 2004 18:05:02 GMT, Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk>
wrote in message <itdim1-u41.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk>:
> <dentarthurdent>Do you get on with other
> robots?</dentarthurdent>
<mavin>Hate them.</marvin>
My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
series at the moment :-)
Guy
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
> series at the moment :-)
>
Far better than the books or the TV series.
Tony
On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:14:54 +0100, "Tony Raven"
<junk@raven-family.com> wrote in message
<c765tl$6g3t$1@ID-178940.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>> My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
>> series at the moment :-)
>Far better than the books or the TV series.
Definitely better than the TV series (the pictures were far
better on the radio), but I have a soft spot for the books.
Adams' prose is quite marvellous, and I very much liked the
character of Fenchurch.
Guy
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 18:11:11 +0100, Colin McKenzie
<news@proof-read.co.uk> wrote (more or less):
>Jon Senior wrote:
>
>> Credit where credit's due. He replied. ... The Transport
>> Research Laboratory measure bicycle helmet wearing rates
>> periodically. The latest survey we have, which is for
>> 2002, shows that cyclists are increasingly likely to
>> choose to wear helmets. The proportion of all cyclists
>> wearing helmets on major built up roads rose from 16% in
>> 1994 to 25% in 2002. However, this was not true for
>> teenage boys, only 12% of whom wore helmets in 2002
>> compared with 16% in 1994.
>
>Does anyone else share my suspicion that the correct
>interpretation of the above figures is: we didn't measure
>teenage boys separately in 1994, so we assumed the average
>figure. When we did measure them, they wore helmets less
>than average.
I've been away for the weekend, and Blueyonder's news server
no longer has Jon's post to which Colin is replying, but
from what colin quotes, it looks very like the reply I
received on Friday, dated 30th April.
<quote from Alistair Darling>
"The DfT commissioned an independent review of the issue of
compulsory bicycle helmet wearing, which was published in
Nov 2002 as Road Safety Research Report no. 30. If you are
interested, this report can be found on the DfT's website
at www.roads.dft.gov.uk). [sic for the ')'] The review
concludes that overall there is evidence that bicycle
helmets can reduce the incidence and severity of head,
brain and upper facial injuries and that they can be
effective for users of all ages, though particularly for
children. The Department therefore promotes the use of
cycle helmets. On the other hand, the report also concludes
that compulsion may discourage some cyclists leading to
decreased bicycle use.
The Transport Research Laboratory measure bicycle helmet
wearing rates periodically. The latest survey we have, which
is for 2002, shows that cyclists are increasingly likely to
chose to wear helmets. The proportion of all cyclists
wearing helmets on major built up roads rose from 16% in
1994 to 25% in 2002. However this was not true for teenage
boys, only 12% of whom wore helmets in 2002 compared with
16% in 1994.
As you know, Eric Martlew MP has introduced has introduced a
Private Member's Bill into Parliament, the purpose of which
is to make wearing helmets by children compulsory. It will
be up for debate by the House of Commons on 18 June
following the second reading debate on 23 April. The
Governemnet is concerned that, at a time when we are seeking
to encourage people to take up cycling for health,
environmental and other reasons, such compulsion could have
th eparadoxical result of discouraging it. There could also
be real difficulties for the police in enforcing compulsion
when such a low proportion of children currently choose to
wear helmets voluntarily.
I hope this explains the position but if you have any
questions then please let me know."
</quote from Alistair Darling>
It sounds suspiciously to me like 'We're in favour of
compulsion once helmet use increases to the point
where compulsion makes little difference to the helmet-
use stats'...
But the final para. does make it sound like he'll oppose
Martlew, although doesn't actually go as far as to say that.
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Gawnsoft xlucid@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net
opined the following...
> It sounds suspiciously to me like 'We're in favour of
> compulsion once helmet use increases to the point where
> compulsion makes little difference to the helmet-use
> stats'...
>
> But the final para. does make it sound like he'll
> oppose Martlew, although doesn't actually go as far as
> to say that.
It's the same (Even down to the lonely bracket!). He
obviously got enough enquiries to produce a stock letter. My
impression was that they were not committing to either side,
but that they tended towards anti- compulsion, but I intend
to take it further with him. I'd like to get a position from
*him* rather than the government, but as he is a minister I
guess that might not be forthcoming.
I take it you didn't make to the Edinburgh CM last friday.
Jon
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:14:54 +0100, "Tony Raven" <junk@raven-
> family.com> wrote in message <c765tl$6g3t$1@ID-178940.news.uni-
> berlin.de>:
>
>>> My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
>>> series at the moment :-)
>
>> Far better than the books or the TV series.
>
> Definitely better than the TV series (the pictures were
> far better on the radio), but I have a soft spot for the
> books. Adams' prose is quite marvellous, and I very much
> liked the character of Fenchurch.
>
> Guy
I enjoyed the radio scripts especially after hearing it on
the radio. It was nice to find out more of the background
behind each episode.
--
Mark
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in message <n14d90loasls6paou91b9436ujoqh30njm@4ax.com>, Just zis Guy,
you know? ('outlook.bugs@microsoft.com') wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 18:05:02 GMT, Simon Brooke
> <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message <itdim1-
> u41.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk>:
>
>> <dentarthurdent>Do you get on with other
>> robots?</dentarthurdent>
>
> <mavin>Hate them.</marvin>
>
> My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
> series at the moment :-)
You don't have a tape of the original series one -> series
two link episode, do you - the one where the black sofa on
the black spacecraft mutates into a ravenous monster?
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On Mon, 3 May 2004 22:40:58 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote (more or less):
>Gawnsoft xlucid@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net
>opined the following...
>> It sounds suspiciously to me like 'We're in favour of
>> compulsion once helmet use increases to the point where
>> compulsion makes little difference to the helmet-use
>> stats'...
>>
>> But the final para. does make it sound like he'll
>> oppose Martlew, although doesn't actually go as far as
>> to say that.
>
>It's the same (Even down to the lonely bracket!). He
>obviously got enough enquiries to produce a stock letter.
>My impression was that they were not committing to either
>side, but that they tended towards anti- compulsion, but I
>intend to take it further with him. I'd like to get a
>position from *him* rather than the government, but as he
>is a minister I guess that might not be forthcoming.
>
>I take it you didn't make to the Edinburgh CM last friday.
No I didn't :-(.
At this rate, I'll need an extension to my deadline
extension.
I've saved the post with the time/date of the next one, so
with any luck...
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On Mon, 3 May 2004 22:40:58 +0100, Jon Senior wrote:
I'd like to get a
> position from *him* rather than the government, but as he
> is a minister I guess that might not be forthcoming.
>
> I take it you didn't make to the Edinburgh CM last friday.
>
> Jon
Remind him that you're a constituent and that he represents
you and ask him how he's going to use his vote on behalf of
his constituents.
--
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to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." -
William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in
news:n14d90loasls6paou91b9436ujoqh30njm@4ax.com:
> My kids are listening to the tapes of the original radio
> series at the moment :-)
>
The Social Services are on their way right now. You realise
the danger you've put them in? Years from now they'll be
getting very strange looks from people due to them quoting
random bits of Hitch Hikers that may seem appropriate at
the time. [1]
Graeme
[1] I've had to stop going "ICE?!" and "LEMON?!" whenever
anyone asks me for a G&T (luckily this is a rare
event anyway).
Simon Brooke wrote:
> You don't have a tape of the original series one -> series
> two link episode, do you - the one where the black sofa on
> the black spacecraft mutates into a ravenous monster?
Don't think so.
--
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Graeme wrote:
> [1] I've had to stop going "ICE?!" and "LEMON?!" whenever
> anyone asks me for a G&T (luckily this is a rare event
> anyway).
Jinnan tonnix for everyone, then?
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in news:c77l53
$il20$1@ID-151936.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Jinnan tonnix for everyone, then?
>
ICE!!!???
Damn, you've started me off again!
Graeme :-)
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:26:51 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote:
>James Hodson wrote:
>
>> <http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/docu-
>> ments/page/dft_rdsafety_507998.hcsp>
>
><marvin>I've seen it. It's rubbish.</marvin>
>
Agreed. But it took me a whie to find the page you were
taking about. Good deed for the day etc.
James
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:26:51 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote (more or less):
> We really do have to do something about this "independent"
> review. I know they've corrceted some of the more
> egregious errors, but it remains a document written by pro-
> helmet authors which reaches a pro-helmet conclusion
> largely by ignoring or excluding all the balancing
> evidence.
> For example:
> "The review concludes that overall there is evidence that
> bicycle helmets can reduce the incidence and severity of
> head, brain and upper facial injuries"
> And it does so by including TR&T, despite acknowledging
> (some of) its fundamental errors.
I'm happy to pop along to see A.D. at his surgery, if we put
together a thorough portfolio to highlight the weaknesses in
the report A.D. cites.
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