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... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.
From the EBC website:
Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern helmet
technology.
- Sleek aero shape.
- Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
- A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin strap.
This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
- Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable if
you prefer to ride peak free.
One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.
Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
accident. ;-)
Jon
In article <MPG.1afc5d81708ccbf39896bb@news.clara.net>, Jon Senior wrote:
>... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.
>
>From the EBC website:
[...]
>Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
>accident. ;-)
That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: http://www.edinburgh- (http://www.edinburgh-/)
bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
It's a no-brainer."
Jon Senior <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in
news:MPG.1afc5d81708ccbf39896bb@news.clara.net:
(note: this reply contains a smiley)
> ... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.
>
> From the EBC website:
>
> Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
> helmet technology.
>
> - Sleek aero shape.
Less air turbulence to knock you off balance.
> - Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
Reduces top-heaviness.
> - A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin strap.
> This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
Hey presto, if it's easier to fit, more people will
wear them.
> - Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable if
> you prefer to ride peak free.
Well... if there's rain on your shades, you can't see where
you're going
>
> One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.
Ideal for being seen on a snowy winter's day
>
> Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
> accident. ;-)
>
> Jon
Well you did ask ;-) (note the smiley)
"Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in message
news:MPG.1afc5d81708ccbf39896bb@news.clara.net...
> ... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.
>
> From the EBC website:
>
> Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
> helmet technology.
>
> - Sleek aero shape.
> - Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
> - A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin strap.
> This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
> - Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable if
> you prefer to ride peak free.
>
> One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.
>
> Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
> accident. ;-)
The CE / BS / ANSII marking ?
I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant for
the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped onto
helmet) I'll stand underneath in a helmet and you can stand
underneath without [1] and then we'll see who thinks whether
it *might* (not 'will' you note) help in an accident or not.
Russ
[1] alternatively we could employ hairy arsed ape type to
bang our heads against a wall/floor with and without
helmet if you don't consider the weight thing to be
terribly relevant.
In article <slrnc94uhi.fls.armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Alan Braggins <armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: http://www.edinburgh- (http://www.edinburgh-/)
> bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
> save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
> cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
> It's a no-brainer."
Is it just me, or is the choice of ``it's a no-brainer'' a
singularly peculiar choice of idiom?
ian
Russ wrote:
> I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
> for the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped
> onto helmet)
<pedant> I thought it was big weight *in* helmet,
helmet being dropped onto BS standard anvil from some
arbitrary height.
"Zog The Undeniable" <hrothgar19@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4092841e.0@entanet...
> Russ wrote:
>
>
> > I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
> > for the helmet
in
> > question - (big weight being dropped onto helmet)
>
> <pedant> I thought it was big weight *in* helmet,
> helmet being dropped onto BS standard anvil from some
> arbitrary height.
Which would make the hairy arsed gorilla banging helmeted /
non helmeted head on ground/wall most appropriate :-)
Russ
Russ russellspamjunknothanks@tiscali.co.uk opined the
following...
>
> "Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove>
> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1afc5d81708ccbf39896bb@news.clara.net...
> > ... that helmets are not designed with safety in mind.
> >
> > From the EBC website:
> >
> > Our latest lid incorporates the best ideas in modern
> > helmet technology.
> >
> > - Sleek aero shape.
> > - Lightweight and airy - easy to wear.
> > - A nape-hugging retention device augments the chin
> > strap. This radically improves fit and ease of set up.
> > - Visor keeps glare and rain off your shades. Removable
> > if you prefer to ride peak free.
> >
> > One Size: 55-60cm. Colour: Black.
> >
> > Spot the bit where it tells you how it'll help in an
> > accident. ;-)
>
> The CE / BS / ANSII marking ?
Not mentioned. My point was that the list of beneficial
aspects of the EBC lid did not actually include safety.
Apparently the "best ideas in modern helmet technology"
provide no additional protection above and beyond any
other lid.
I can't seem to find any information on what the tests
actually equate to in terms of impact speed. Does
anyone know?
> I've an idea - we'll replicate the helmet test relevant
> for the helmet in question - (big weight being dropped
> onto helmet) I'll stand underneath in a helmet and you can
> stand underneath without [1] and then we'll see who thinks
> whether it *might* (not 'will' you note) help in an
> accident or not.
The only times I've ever come off my bike, the first things
to hit the floor have been my hands. I don't have the
information to compare but I'm reasonably sure that allowing
my skeleton and muscle to take the shock over the 50cm
before the object reaches my head can probably do more than
2.5cm of foam.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't wear a helmet. I was
concerned that on a page about their own brand helmet, not
one mention was made to safety. It didn't even list which of
the various standards it was manufactured to. The only
points on which it is being sold are aesthetic.
Calm down lad... calm down.
Jon
Alan Braggins armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk opined the
following...
> That'll be one page up, describing helmets in general: http://www.edinburgh- (http://www.edinburgh-/)
> bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/subcollections.cfm?ID=73 "Helmets
> save lives. Fine fitting well-ventilated helmets are
> cheaper than ever. Your head is priceless. Wear a helmet.
> It's a no-brainer."
1) Go to www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk.
2) Click on the picture of the helmet on the front page.
3) Click on the next picture of the helmet with the tagline.
4) Read the stuff I quoted.
5) Post back and show me where in that sequence of events a
safety standard, or even safety in general was mentioned.
:-p
Jon
Jon Senior posted ...
> I'm not saying that you shouldn't wear a helmet. I was
> concerned that on a page about their own brand helmet, not
> one mention was made to safety. It didn't even list which
> of the various standards it was manufactured to. The only
> points on which it is being sold are aesthetic.
But the site did list widely accepted benefits of helmet
wearing, in a different section, that are applicable to most
helmets. All your pointing out is that this helmet has
'other' factors they wish to push/sell the product with.
Maybe they realise it offers no more security or safety so
decline to use a spurious argument.
--
Paul
(8(|) Homer rocks .. ;)
> But the site did list widely accepted benefits of helmet
> wearing, in a different section, that are applicable to
> most helmets. All your pointing out is that this helmet
> has 'other' factors they wish to push/sell the product
> with. Maybe they realise it offers no more security or
> safety so decline to use a spurious argument.
Firstly. As I pointed out in my other post, the links to
this product from the home page do not take you to anywhere
that mentions safety. Secondly. Since there are a plethora
of standards, it would seem a good idea to mention which of
these, the EBC lid conforms to.
Jon
Jon Senior posted ...
> Firstly. As I pointed out in my other post, the links to
> this product from the home page do not take you to
> anywhere that mentions safety. Secondly. Since there are a
> plethora of standards, it would seem a good idea to
> mention which of these, the EBC lid conforms to.
Why ?
They're selling helmets, not safety standards ... and most
people (in this newsgroup at least) know that helmets are
not necessarily the safest safety device on a cycle .. ;)
As most cycle helmets appear to be very similar with
regard to safety features, they appear to be selling this
one on price and 'other' features, safety doesn't
necessarily come into it.
--
Paul
(8(|) Homer rocks .. ;)
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