Compulsory Bells?

[Geoff Pearson]

The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.

Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK -
I've not heard of it here in Scotland?

[Dirtylitterboxo]

>The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
>compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.
>
>Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK -
>I've not heard of it here in Scotland?

Not quite...

It's compulsory *new* bikes be sold with a bell on them, but
there is no compulsion for the bell to stay on the bike or
for the bell to be used.

Cheers, helen s

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[Sandy Morton]

In article <c6vkb3$ga4vd$1@ID-120835.news.uni-berlin.de>, Geoff
Pearson <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
> compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.

> Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK -
> I've not heard of it here in Scotland?

Compulsory for new bikes at POS - the customer can remove it
as soon as the bike is out of the shop.

hth

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Village http://www.millport.net (http://www.millport.net/)

[Tony Raven]

Geoff Pearson wrote:
> The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
> compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.
>
> Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK -
> I've not heard of it here in Scotland?

That is the The Pedal Bicycles (Safety) Regulations 2003
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20031101.htm
They apply to the UK

They include:

Supply of new bicycles
4. - (1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) and
regulation 6, no person shall supply any bicycle
unless - <snip other clauses>
(b) it has been fitted with a bell which -
(c) is of a category intended for use on bicycles; and
(d) complies with the requirements of clause 6.3 of the ISO
Standard in relation to bells of that category

There are also exemptions:
(2) The provisions of regulation 4 do not apply in
respect of -
(a) a bicycle which has previously been supplied and
used (other than for the purpose of testing) on or
off a road;
(b) a bicycle the height of the saddle of which is less than
635 millimetres;
(c) a competition bicycle; or
(d) a bicycle which has been constructed to the design of
an individual person for use by that person in
competitive events.
(3) The provisions of regulation 4 do not apply in a case
where the person supplying the bicycle reasonably
believes that it will not be used in the United Kingdom.

So presumably many recumbents can escape without a bell at
POS because of their saddle height. Before you get carried
away with the "competition bicycle" exemption they are bikes
without brakes specifically designed for track use.

It only applies to bicycles to tricycles, unicycles etc
are exempt.

Nothing says you cannot remove the bell the moment you have
taken ownership of the bicycle

Tony .

[Tim Woodall]

On Sat, 1 May 2004 10:16:19 +0100,
Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> wrote:
> (b) a bicycle the height of the saddle of which is less
> than 635 millimetres;

So why have they excluded recumbents?

Tim.

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[Tony Raven]

Tim Woodall wrote:
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 10:16:19 +0100, Tony Raven <junk@raven-
> family.com> wrote:
>> (b) a bicycle the height of the saddle of which is less
>> than 635 millimetres;
>
> So why have they excluded recumbents?
>

Law of unintended consequences? I think they were probably
trying to exclude children's bicycles.

Tony

[Andy Leighton]

On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:57:31 +0100, Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> wrote:
> Tim Woodall wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 May 2004 10:16:19 +0100, Tony Raven <junk@raven-
>> family.com> wrote:
>>> (b) a bicycle the height of the saddle of which is less
>>> than 635 millimetres;
>>
>> So why have they excluded recumbents?
>>
>
> Law of unintended consequences? I think they were probably
> trying to exclude children's bicycles.

At 25" they have also excluded a lot of bmx bikes as well.
Personally for bells, I see no reason to exclude children's
bikes (well maybe the kind for toddlers).

--
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shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

[Pete Biggs]

Tony Raven wrote:

> [Exemption 2c] a competition bicycle

What counts as a "competition bicycle"?

~PB

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[Tony Raven]

Pete Biggs wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>
>> [Exemption 2c] a competition bicycle
>
> What counts as a "competition bicycle"?
>
> ~PB

<Quote earlier post> Before you get carried away with the
"competition bicycle" exemption they are bikes without
brakes specifically designed for track use. </Quote
earlier post>

Tony

[Al C-F]

On Sat, 01 May 2004 08:55:11 +0100, Sandy Morton <sandy@millport.net>
wrote:

>In article <c6vkb3$ga4vd$1@ID-120835.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>Geoff Pearson <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
>> compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.
>
>> Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK -
>> I've not heard of it here in Scotland?
>
>Compulsory for new bikes at POS - the customer can remove
>it as soon as the bike is out of the shop.
>
>hth

Once the transaction is completed, can I sell the bell back
to the shop, or exchange it for something more useful?

[Ivan]

In article <ejd79092kk25vn0vsnit2lcfelhr4c11mi@4ax.com>,
Al C-F <aloysius_cholmondeley_featherstonehawe@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 May 2004 08:55:11 +0100, Sandy Morton
> <sandy@millport.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <c6vkb3$ga4vd$1@ID-120835.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> >Geoff Pearson <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> The Times today carries an item today saying that it is
> >> compulsory for a bike to have a bell from today.
> >
> >> Is that right? Does it apply to all countries of the UK
> >> - I've not heard of it here in Scotland?
> >
> >Compulsory for new bikes at POS - the customer can remove
> >it as soon as the bike is out of the shop.
> >
> >hth
>
> Once the transaction is completed, can I sell the
> bell back to the shop, or exchange it for something
> more useful?

Just back from buying a new bike today (Cannondale R500),
came with no bell. Looks like all the shops aren't aware of
this rule yet.

Mind you isn't there some rule about the bike only needing a
bell if it's complete? The stock bike had no pedals.

Oh and thanks to the group for the bike buying advice, even
though I changed my mind and got a race bike in the end at
least I understood my reasons why better.

Ivan

[Ian Smith]

On Sat, 1 May, Dave Chadderton <davechad@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

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Please post in just plain text.

regards, Ian SMith
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[Tony Raven]

Ivan wrote:
>
> Mind you isn't there some rule about the bike only needing
> a bell if it's complete? The stock bike had no pedals.
>

Reading the Regulations, no. They cover incomplete
bikes as well.

Tony

[Al C-F]

On Sat, 1 May 2004 16:21:25 +0100, "Tony Raven"
<junk@raven-family.com> wrote:

>Ivan wrote:
>>
>> Mind you isn't there some rule about the bike only
>> needing a bell if it's complete? The stock bike had no
>> pedals.
>>
>
>Reading the Regulations, no. They cover incomplete
>bikes as well.
>

Interesting. Do they define how much of a bike you need? One
pair of handlebars, perhaps?

An amusing vision.

[Simon Brooke]

in message <ivan-253215.16150201052004@newsfe1-win.server.ntli.net>,
Ivan ('ivan@fakeaddress.com') wrote:

> Just back from buying a new bike today (Cannondale R500),
> came with no bell. Looks like all the shops aren't aware
> of this rule yet.

Excellent choice!

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[Ivan]

In article <9a6dm1-thl.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk>,
Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:

> in message <ivan-253215.16150201052004@newsfe1-
> win.server.ntli.net>, Ivan ('ivan@fakeaddress.com') wrote:
>
> > Just back from buying a new bike today (Cannondale
> > R500), came with no bell. Looks like all the shops
> > aren't aware of this rule yet.
>
> Excellent choice!

I think so too.

After doing 35 hilly miles on the mtb this morning I thought
I wasn't up to another run. Took the new bike out this
evening, ended up doing another 15 and wanted to do more.
That's the experience I was looking for in a new bike.

Can't wait to get it out again tomorrow.

Ivan

[Paul]

In article <slrnc97eu6.1ic.ian@phlegethon.smithnet>,
ian@astounding.org.uk says...
> On Sat, 1 May, Dave Chadderton
> <davechad@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Please post in just plain text.
>
> regards, Ian SMith
>
Get a decent news reader?

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[Ian Smith]

On Sat, 1 May 2004, paul <paul.coombs@btinternetSPAMSOFF.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnc97eu6.1ic.ian@phlegethon.smithnet>,
> ian@astounding.org.uk says...
> > On Sat, 1 May, Dave Chadderton <davechad@dsl.pipex.com>
> > wrote:
> >
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> >
> > Please post in just plain text.
>
> Get a decent news reader?

Yes, I could go to a load of aggro and inconvenience because
soome pillock won't comply with teh conventions. However,
society runs much more smoothly if people follow the
conventions of teh society they choose to inhabit.

Anyway, define decent - in what way do you consider slrn not-
decent? Does your proposed alternative handle article and
thread scoring, and run across text-only links so I can ssh
to it from wherever I am?

regards, Ian SMith
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[Mark Thompson]

> so I can ssh to it from wherever I am?

Eh?? You've got volume control on you newsreader?