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Race report: Vancouver Marathon.

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Kaz Kylheku
  
On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
<cf333042.0305051231.6a3d051f@posting.google.com>:

> Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on Sunday,
> my first marathon, and my second race. I finished in
> 5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit the wall. I just
> ran and ran.

I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
(unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I have
the potential for a better time. Projecting from my 8 mile
tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time range now. I
did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out, I went
for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation over less
than two miles of trail, not having done that in a good 8
months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes. But the
right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I went to a
track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the 1:15 to 1:18
range. I was just going crazy, not knowing what to do with
myself! Two days after that, I ran a crazy 8 mile tempo run
like a race, achieving a personal best time of 57:13, which
is substantially faster than my best 10K race from last
November! Not only did I pull my right hamstring, but in the
remaining days to the race, I felt overall tired and run
down. I went for some easy, slow runs, but they were hard
anyway. I did an 8 miler some six days out, and then a 9
miler two days before the race, and an easy 5K run the
afternoon before: over a mile to the track, an easy four
laps and then back. The hamstring still hurt a bit.

The night before the marathon, I loaded up on carbs a little
bit and had just a light dinner. In the morning, I had three
coffees and two waffles with jam, that's it. I wanted to
keep an empty bowel during the race, and just take in the
pure carbs that absorb in the upper gut and leave next to
nothing that would, err, stop you in the middle of the race,
if you know what I mean. :) I mixed up an entire bottle of
``power slime'' out of pure maltodextrin powder, some fruit
and water, and that's what I consumed during the first half
of the race, thinning it out gradually by adding water to it
at various stations. I didn't consume any solids at all. No
energy bars, nothing.

It was a frantic race for me. I barely even paused at water
stations. I opened up my bottle ahead of time, and refilled
as fast as possible, and then hit the road immediately. At
one point when the temperature rose, I wanted to take off
my shirt, but I waited to get help with that from a
supporting friend. I peeled off my shirt, turning it inside
out, and then kept running while he, running along side me,
reversed it for me to make the bib visible, so I could tie
it around my waist.

I experienced a strange, disturbing dizzy spell for about 20
or 30 seconds at around only the 8 kilometer. I ran through
it at a reduced pace and then it went away. I suspect that
was the effect of the power slime spilling glucose into the
bloodstream. I mean, I put scoops and scoops of the powder
into that bottle, enough to give it the consistency of snot;
just thin enough to still pour out.

I hit the halfway mark at about 1:50. (I don't have exact
splits because I accidentally erased them at the finish,
darn!) I maintained
3:40 pace until somewhere around 18 miles, when I was
passed by the
4:45 bunny. Argh! It must have been a dust bunny because I
was sure eating her dust. :) Other than the reduced pace,
the last 8 miles were okay. I readjusted my objectives a
little bit rather than to try hitting a now impossible
target, thereby making it even worse. Only the last 4
miles were a bit hard. I seem to recall that I hit the 22
mile mark at around 3:13:x, slower than in training. And
you can see what huge time delta that is to to 3:55:53.
If I recall that split time right, that's heck of a long
freaking time to run 4.2 miles, if you can call that
running. I think it was that climb over a 150 foot tall
bridge that made it long; at that stage, even a small
hill slows you down tremendously. Finally, in the very
last mile, I suffered from a bit of dehydration, or low
blood sugar or something. My hands and forearms were
tingling and I felt like lying down. I tried to sprint
for the finish in the last few hundred meters. I seemed
to be going way faster than anyone around me; I think I
passed about four people in the last 100. I was lifting
those knees, arching that back and pumping those arms
bent at less than 90 degrees. I could hear crowd members
cheering me on to keep it up to the finish! There will be
an MPEG finish cam video mailed to all finishers in about
a month, so I will get to see what my ``sprint'' *really*
looked like.

Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few minutes.
I think I practically collapsed on top of one of the
volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
*tomorrow*!'' :)

Teresa Bippert-
  
Big Congrats Kaz!!! That is a HUGE time difference. Yep,
next time don't do all that crazy stuff right before the
race. Bad. You'll undoubtedly cut your marathon time down
next time with better planning. When's the next?? ;-)

Teresa in AZ

Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
> <cf333042.0305051231.6a3d051f@posting.google.com>:
>
>>Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on Sunday,
>>my first marathon, and my second race. I finished in
>>5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit the wall. I just
>>ran and ran.
>
> I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
> (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).
>
> Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few
> minutes. I think I practically collapsed on top of one of
> the volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
> quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
> yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
> climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
> people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
> concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
> *tomorrow*!'' :)

Cinders869
  
It was my first marathon too. I finished in 5:08:15. I guess
thats not bad for someone who could only run 3 miles at a
time 5 months ago, and had IT band syndrome 2 months ago. Go
team in training!

_!_
  
Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
news:<cf333042.0405030734.611d50ad@posting.google.com>...
> On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
> <cf333042.0305051231.6a3d051f@posting.google.com>:
>
> > Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on
> > Sunday, my first marathon, and my second race. I
> > finished in 5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit
> > the wall. I just ran and ran.
>
> I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
> (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).
>
> I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I
> have the potential for a better time. Projecting from my 8
> mile tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time range
> now. I did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out,
> I went for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation
> over less than two miles of trail, not having done that in
> a good 8 months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes.
> But the right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I
> went to a track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the
> 1:15 to 1:18 range. I was just going crazy, not knowing
> what to do with myself! Two days after that, I ran a crazy
> 8 mile tempo run like a race, achieving a personal best
> time of 57:13, which is substantially faster than my best
> 10K race from last November! Not only did I pull my right
> hamstring, but in the remaining days to the race, I felt
> overall tired and run down. I went for some easy, slow
> runs, but they were hard anyway. I did an 8 miler some six
> days out, and then a 9 miler two days before the race, and
> an easy 5K run the afternoon before: over a mile to the
> track, an easy four laps and then back. The hamstring
> still hurt a bit.
>
> The night before the marathon, I loaded up on carbs a
> little bit and had just a light dinner. In the morning, I
> had three coffees and two waffles with jam, that's it. I
> wanted to keep an empty bowel during the race, and just
> take in the pure carbs that absorb in the upper gut and
> leave next to nothing that would, err, stop you in the
> middle of the race, if you know what I mean. :) I mixed up
> an entire bottle of ``power slime'' out of pure
> maltodextrin powder, some fruit and water, and that's what
> I consumed during the first half of the race, thinning it
> out gradually by adding water to it at various stations. I
> didn't consume any solids at all. No energy bars, nothing.
>
> It was a frantic race for me. I barely even paused at
> water stations. I opened up my bottle ahead of time, and
> refilled as fast as possible, and then hit the road
> immediately. At one point when the temperature rose, I
> wanted to take off my shirt, but I waited to get help with
> that from a supporting friend. I peeled off my shirt,
> turning it inside out, and then kept running while he,
> running along side me, reversed it for me to make the bib
> visible, so I could tie it around my waist.
>
> I experienced a strange, disturbing dizzy spell for
> about 20 or 30 seconds at around only the 8 kilometer. I
> ran through it at a reduced pace and then it went away.
> I suspect that was the effect of the power slime
> spilling glucose into the bloodstream. I mean, I put
> scoops and scoops of the powder into that bottle, enough
> to give it the consistency of snot; just thin enough to
> still pour out.
>
> I hit the halfway mark at about 1:50. (I don't have exact
> splits because I accidentally erased them at the finish,
> darn!) I maintained
> 3:40 pace until somewhere around 18 miles, when I was
> passed by the
> 3:45 bunny. Argh! It must have been a dust bunny because I
> was sure eating her dust. :) Other than the reduced
> pace, the last 8 miles were okay. I readjusted my
> objectives a little bit rather than to try hitting a now
> impossible target, thereby making it even worse. Only
> the last 4 miles were a bit hard. I seem to recall that
> I hit the 22 mile mark at around 3:13:x, slower than in
> training. And you can see what huge time delta that is
> to to 3:55:53. If I recall that split time right, that's
> heck of a long freaking time to run 4.2 miles, if you
> can call that running. I think it was that climb over a
> 150 foot tall bridge that made it long; at that stage,
> even a small hill slows you down tremendously. Finally,
> in the very last mile, I suffered from a bit of
> dehydration, or low blood sugar or something. My hands
> and forearms were tingling and I felt like lying down. I
> tried to sprint for the finish in the last few hundred
> meters. I seemed to be going way faster than anyone
> around me; I think I passed about four people in the
> last 100. I was lifting those knees, arching that back
> and pumping those arms bent at less than 90 degrees. I
> could hear crowd members cheering me on to keep it up to
> the finish! There will be an MPEG finish cam video
> mailed to all finishers in about a month, so I will get
> to see what my ``sprint'' *really* looked like.
>
> Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few
> minutes. I think I practically collapsed on top of one of
> the volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
> quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
> yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
> climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
> people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
> concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
> *tomorrow*!'' :)

Anthony
  
Kaz - congrats on the race and thanks for the
interesting report.

Like Tim said, it's worthwhile being careful about what you
consume on the marathon. The recommended dosage of carbs and
the strength of the drink.

Good luck with the running,

Anthony.

Anders Lustig
  
kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message news:<cf333042.0405030734.611d50ad@posting.google.com>...

> I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
> (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

One hour off your marathon time is an achievement. End of
discussion.

> I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I
> have the potential for a better time. Projecting from my
> 8 mile tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time
> range now.

You may have the potential, but a current 8 mile/10K time
cannot be used to project what you could do in a marathon
*now*. What you can project from it is a goal marathon
time for a future (defined as further away than eight
weeks) race.

Then, if you train, taper and prepare properly, do not make
any stupid things during the race and the gods of running
are on your side on the day, itīs possible that youīll
achieve that projected time. But it could still be that your
genes and your training in the long term have made you a 10K
runner rather than a marathoner.

> I did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out, I
> went for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation over
> less than two miles of trail, not having done that in a
> good 8 months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes.
> But the right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I
> went to a track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the
> 1:15 to 1:18 range. I was just going crazy, not knowing
> what to do with myself!

What do you think rec.running is for? If it isnīt (among
other things) for stopping you from doing crazy things when
youīre going crazy in the eerie tapering zone, what then?

You know, you remind me of myself:-) I have a habit of
incurring nefarious injuries, stepping on rusty nails and
cancelling my marathon plans at the whimsiest excuse, so
that I donīt have to risk failing in my expectations - and
itīs almost as if you rush out to do things that you know
will hurt your race day performance for a very similar
reason. But enough of kitchen psychology...

BTW those 400m repeats are something I couldnīt do. (Not
that Iīd have to: for a sub-3 marathoner 80-81s would be
about right for repeats.)

> Two days after that, I ran a crazy 8 mile tempo run like a
> race, achieving a personal best time of 57:13, which is
> substantially faster than my best 10K race from last
> November!

Do you usually do short track repeats and a long temp run
within three days, and in that order? Iīm not sure itīs wise
for a modest mileage runner - and so close to the marathon
and in conjunction with the hike...it boggles the mind.

> I went for some easy, slow runs, but they were hard
> anyway. I did an 8 miler some six days out, and then a 9
> miler two days before the race, and an easy 5K run the
> afternoon before: over a mile to the track, an easy four
> laps and then back. The hamstring still hurt a bit.

You know, your stop watch or your HRM can be used to make
sure that you donīt run too hard, not only that you run hard
enough when you have to!

The 8-miler six days out is okay: you could even have done
4x1600m at MRT with long (up to equal length) slow jogs (and
maybe even 4x1000m four days out), but the other runs quite
probably did nothing but hurt your race - especially since
your previous week had been crazy.

You know, I have to both congratulate you _and_ to award you
the Darwin prize for the most idiotic preparation by an other-
wise sane guy:-)

Anders

Tim Downie
  
"Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <teresa@as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:c75sgg$ohl$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> Big Congrats Kaz!!! That is a HUGE time difference. Yep,
> next time don't do all that crazy stuff right before the
> race. Bad. You'll undoubtedly cut your marathon time down
> next time with better planning.

In addition to the crazy stuff, I'd say you were lucky not
to suffer more badly than you did with your power slime
concoction. If you drink highly concentrated drinks the
osmotic effect can pull fluid out of your circulation into
your gut leading to cramps, low blood pressure, dizzyness
and sometimes collapse. Given time, your fluid balance may
sort itself out (as it did in your case) but it's risky
thing to do. Many early marathoners collapsed through
drinking such concoctions before the importance of
isotonicity was realised. Now it may be that your slime
wasn't any more concentrated than your average gel but you
do need to take adequate fluids with them to avoid problems.

Anyway, as Teresa says, great improvement! How are the
legs today?

Tim

Kaz Kylheku
  
raplhing@hotmail.com (_!_) wrote in message news:<20e019bc.0405040917.56ae436f@posting.google.com>...
> Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

Well, there is this:

http://www.adidasvanmarathon.ca/results/marathon2004.html

There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.

You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you want;
I don't care.

_!_
  
A phony website does not help your cause.

kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
news:<cf333042.0405041650.66efc23f@posting.google.com>...
> raplhing@hotmail.com (_!_) wrote in message
> news:<20e019bc.0405040917.56ae436f@posting.google.com>...
> > Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?
>
> Well, there is this:
>
> http://www.adidassvanmarathon.ca/results/marathon2004.html
>
> There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.
>
> You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you
> want; I don't care.

_!_
  
Fake websites now? Pleeeeease!

kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
news:<cf333042.0405041650.66efc23f@posting.google.com>...
> raplhing@hotmail.com (_!_) wrote in message
> news:<20e019bc.0405040917.56ae436f@posting.google.com>...
> > Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?
>
> Well, there is this:
>
> http://www.adidasvanmarathon.ca/results/marathon2004.html
>
> There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.
>
> You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you
> want; I don't care.

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