Regina Jacobs and Other Steroid Users Need To Be Sued For Their Past Winnings

[Macelroy]

Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users that
are caught including professional athletes need to be sued
for the money they won which rightfully should have gone to
the next person behind them who was not on steroids. The
amount of money we are talking about is not peanuts. It's
anywhere from several hundred thousand dollars to millions
of dollars. I hope some of these athletes who rightfully
deserve this money seek out some good lawyers to pursue the
money that rightfully belongs to them.

[Doug Freese]

"macelroy" <macelroy1@winnings.com> wrote in message
news:1fdc560b.0405052327.10661456@posting.google.com...
> Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users
> that are caught including professional athletes need to be
> sued for the
money
> they won which rightfully should have gone to the
> next person
behind
> them who was not on steroids. The amount of money we
> are talking
about
> is not peanuts. It's anywhere from several hundred
> thousand
dollars to
> millions of dollars. I hope some of these athletes who
> rightfully deserve this money seek out some good lawyers
> to pursue the money
that
> rightfully belongs to them.

If your going to sue don't stop at just the prize money. How
about all the additional money that comes from
commercializing their accomplishments. Take their houses,
accounts. cars, kids, dogs and put them in jail for 200
concurrent life sentences. When did you get soft on crime
wussy boy?

--
Doug "yankin on his leg" Freese "Caveat Lector"
dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com (remove the NOBS)

[Topcounsel]

>I hope some of these athletes who rightfully deserve this
>money seek out some
good lawyers to pursue the money that rightfully
belongs to them.

Umm... you did sue that race that "cheated you" out of your
"world record time" by "mismarking the course," didn't you?
Certainly if those who finished 2nd to steroid users have
good claims, then yours must be double-good.

[Surf McBrowse]

Could someone point me to a reputable newspaper article
that documents Jacobs' guilt regarding the use of THG, or
is the jury still out (& 'leroy the extremist is jumping
the gun, again).

This is typical of the most recent news I've found :

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/calendar/0,10468,1114-
398,00.html

Surf

"macelroy" <macelroy1@winnings.com> wrote in message
news:1fdc560b.0405052327.10661456@posting.google.com...
> Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users
> that are caught including professional athletes need to be
> sued for the money they won which rightfully should have
> gone to the next person behind them who was not on
> steroids. The amount of money we are talking about is not
> peanuts. It's anywhere from several hundred thousand
> dollars to millions of dollars. I hope some of these
> athletes who rightfully deserve this money seek out some
> good lawyers to pursue the money that rightfully belongs
> to them.

[Sam]

"macelroy" <macelroy1@winnings.com> wrote in message
news:1fdc560b.0405052327.10661456@posting.google.com...
> Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users
> that are caught including professional athletes need to be
> sued for the money they won which rightfully should have
> gone to the next person behind them who was not on
> steroids. The amount of money we are talking about is not
> peanuts. It's anywhere from several hundred thousand
> dollars to millions of dollars. I hope some of these
> athletes who rightfully deserve this money seek out some
> good lawyers to pursue the money that rightfully belongs
> to them.

The issue is that there is no proof the person was doping at
that time. You cannot assume that sort of thing legally.

[Rick++]

I dont even dignify a druggie with the title of athlete or
competitor.

[_!_]

"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Rhpmc.38118$mX.13500895@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
>If your going to sue don't stop at just the prize money.
>How about all the additional money that comes from
>commercializing their accomplishments. Take their houses,
>accounts. cars, kids, dogs and put them in jail for 200
>concurrent life sentences. When did you get soft on crime
>wussy boy?

Don't mind him McElroy, Doug's had this "prison rape"
fantasy for years now, and he's just hoping he'll get to
share a cell with a 400lb black man named "bubba".

[Sam]

I believe the B sample is still yet to be tested.

www.letsrun.com has lots of links regarding this.

"Surf McBrowse" <zoom@whoosh.org> wrote in message
news:1ovmc.36447$3Q4.959779@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Could someone point me to a reputable newspaper article
> that documents Jacobs' guilt regarding the use of THG, or
> is the jury still out (& 'leroy the extremist is jumping
> the gun, again).
>
> This is typical of the most recent news I've found :
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/calendar/0,10468,11-
> 14398,00.html
>
> Surf
>
>
> "macelroy" <macelroy1@winnings.com> wrote in message
> news:1fdc560b.0405052327.10661456@posting.google.com...
> > Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users
> > that are caught including professional athletes need to
> > be sued for the money they won which rightfully should
> > have gone to the next person behind them who was not on
> > steroids. The amount of money we are talking about is
> > not peanuts. It's anywhere from several hundred thousand
> > dollars to millions of dollars. I hope some of these
> > athletes who rightfully deserve this money seek out some
> > good lawyers to pursue the money that rightfully belongs
> > to them.

[Lyndon]

Doug wrote:

>"macelroy" <macelroy1@winnings.com> wrote in message
>news:1fdc560b.0405052327.10661456@posting.google.com...
>> Regina Jacobs and every single one of the steroid users
>> that are caught including professional athletes need to
>> be sued for the
>money
>> they won which rightfully should have gone to the
>> next person
>behind
>> them who was not on steroids. The amount of money we are
>> talking
>about
>> is not peanuts. It's anywhere from several hundred
>> thousand
>dollars to
>> millions of dollars. I hope some of these athletes who
>> rightfully deserve this money seek out some good lawyers
>> to pursue the money
>that
>> rightfully belongs to them.
>
>If your going to sue don't stop at just the prize money.
>How about all the additional money that comes from
>commercializing their accomplishments. Take their houses,
>accounts. cars, kids, dogs and put them in jail for 200
>concurrent life sentences. When did you get soft on crime
>wussy boy?
>
What if they held an Olympics and nobody came?

Maybe only the druggies can meet the standards.

Lyndon (yanking on Doug's leg, too) "Speed Kills...It
kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
Brooks Johnson

[Topcounsel]

Surf asked:

>Could someone point me to a reputable newspaper article
>that documents Jacobs'
guilt.....?

Check out photos 4,5,8,10,11,12:

http://www.fast-women.com/photos/adidasindoor03/index03.html

I offer no opinion as to what the pictures can "prove,"
but there was an earlier comment on here that you could
"tell" she was using steroids by looking at her. Judge
for yourself.

[Lyndon]

>Could someone point me to a reputable newspaper article
>that documents Jacobs' guilt regarding the use of THG, or
>is the jury still out (& 'leroy the extremist is jumping
>the gun, again).

There's at least three parts to this.

In the first part, Regina Jacobs is one of 6 athletes that
tested positive for THG. Others included Dwain Chambers and
shotputter Kevin Toth. The USATF has a list of active doping
suspensions, but these (US) athletes are not on the list
(yet) because the administrative process is not completed.
There is information here on usatf.org under elite athletes.
My understanding is that there is no doubt that Jacobs is
guilty; The only issue is that she is claiming that THG was
not a banned substance when she took it, which is not likely
to hold much water as THG was specifically created to avoid
detection.

In the second part, there is a list of 27 athletes (Bonds,
Giambi, Romanowski and others outside track/running),
including 15 track and field athletes that Victor Conte has
told US investigators that he provided steroids to. Among
the athletes named are MARION JONES and Tim Montgomery.
There has been no actual legal process with these names.
There is also direct implication of Greek athletes Keteris
and Thanou--and their coach--which has created a political
issue in Greece, and threats on their behalf to sue one
particular newspaper/writer in the UK that revealed
information (I think this is the Guardian, but my memory
might be off here).

The third part is the testimony of athletes (including
Jones, Montgomery, and Bonds) before the Grand Jury
investigating the BALCO affair. The Senate Committee headed
by Senator John McCain had subpoenaed the grand jury
testimony, and the US Justice Department has provided this
evidence. The US Olympic Committee and the US Anti-Doping
Agency are trying to get this testimony. Presumably, any
athlete that admitted to using steroids (to avoid going to
jail for perjury) under oath will be banned. See
(registration required):

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/sports/othersports/06ste-
roids.html

This is a local news story in the San Francisco Bay Area.
The San Jose Mercury News has had LOTS of coverage and the
San Francisco Chronicle has had some coverage. There is also
a lot of information (links) on letsrun.com.

As you might be able to tell by now, what macelroy has
posted is just the tip of the iceberg.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
--US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

[Sam]

"Lyndon" <airlyndon@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040506184518.12062.00001066@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >Could someone point me to a reputable newspaper article
> >that documents Jacobs' guilt regarding the use of THG, or
> >is the jury still out (&
'leroy
> >the extremist is jumping the gun, again).
>
> There's at least three parts to this.
>
> In the first part, Regina Jacobs is one of 6 athletes that
> tested positive
for
> THG. Others included Dwain Chambers and shotputter Kevin
> Toth. The USATF
has
> a list of active doping suspensions, but these (US)
> athletes are not on
the
> list (yet) because the administrative process is not
> completed. There is information here on usatf.org under
> elite athletes. My understanding is
that
> there is no doubt that Jacobs is guilty; The only issue is
> that she is
claiming
> that THG was not a banned substance when she took it,
> which is not likely
to
> hold much water as THG was specifically created to avoid
> detection.
>
> In the second part, there is a list of 27 athletes
> (Bonds, Giambi,
Romanowski
> and others outside track/running), including 15 track and
> field athletes
that
> Victor Conte has told US investigators that he provided
> steroids to.
Among the
> athletes named are MARION JONES and Tim Montgomery. There
> has been no
actual
> legal process with these names. There is also direct
> implication of Greek athletes Keteris and Thanou--and
> their coach--which has created a
political
> issue in Greece, and threats on their behalf to sue one
> particular newspaper/writer in the UK that revealed
> information (I think this is the Guardian, but my memory
> might be off here).

Is there verification that the above named athletes
received steroids. There is no doubt that many of them
received services, but I was not aware that the extent of
those services were public yet since the grand jury
testimony is sealed. (The argument by those who have
testified that they are prohibited by law from telling
what they told is not true; a person who testifies can
tell anyone he or she wishes.)

>
> The third part is the testimony of athletes (including
> Jones, Montgomery,
and
> Bonds) before the Grand Jury investigating the BALCO
> affair. The Senate Committee headed by Senator John McCain
> had subpoenaed the grand jury testimony, and the US
> Justice Department has provided this evidence. The
US
> Olympic Committee and the US Anti-Doping Agency are trying
> to get this testimony. Presumably, any athlete that
> admitted to using steroids (to
avoid
> going to jail for perjury) under oath will be banned. See
> (registration required):
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/sports/othersports/06st-
> eroids.html
>
> This is a local news story in the San Francisco Bay Area.
> The San Jose
Mercury
> News has had LOTS of coverage and the San Francisco
> Chronicle has had some coverage. There is also a lot of
> information (links) on letsrun.com.
>
> As you might be able to tell by now, what macelroy has
> posted is just the
tip
> of the iceberg.
>
> Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
> --US Olympic Track
Coach
> Brooks Johnson

[Sam]

"Lyndon" <airlyndon@aol.comnospam> wrote in message news:20040507011920.12062.00001087@mb-
m02.aol.com... SNIPPING
> The grand jury testimony is still sealed as far as I know,
> but it appears
that
> McCain is set to release it to USADA and WADA.
>
> Lyndon
>
> "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
> Olympic Track
Coach
> Brooks Johnson
>

The boxes are on their way to Colorado Springs (where USADA
is located).

I am curious what will happen. To my knowledge, the US has
never taken someone through the process without a urine test
being positive. Neither the USOC (when it was running doping
control) or USADA has taken advantage of the "admission of
guilt". If the person does not admit his/her guilt in taking
a banned substance and is only sanctioned because of what a
third party tells USADA it gets into dangerous territory.
What if Conte is lying (that would not be a stretch IMHO)? I
fear this could have effects that no one predicts that could
be even worse. Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences?

On a more practical note, USADA decides there is evidence
that an athlete was provided a banned substance. Is there
evidence, he or she took it? I personally know a cyclist (a
former pro) who was given all sorts of pills and he did not
take them (that is why he is a "former" pro!). Under this
system, he might be guilty if someone said, "We left them in
his room for him to take." Also, the case would spurn a test
in the courts. Hopefully the courts would rule quickly
(regardless of which way it ruled); otherwise you would have
a real pickle in athletes representing the US.

I think the IOC needs to go ahead and make some concessions
in case a situation arises where an athlete in track and
field is named to a team but is later banned based on this
information.

The circus has only just begun.