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i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before last saturday, just
worked out on ski machines and crap. anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating
on the "scale of beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about 2.75 miles.
right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i do
work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a bit
later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target right now
is to be able to keep up with my martial arts instructor
when we go on our saturday run together. last time he was
doing circles around me and we only went 2.25 miles. but
then, he's also been running for more than 15 years. i just
want to be able to keep up for now, not reach his level
yet, hehe.
please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is there
anything i can do to improve myself faster?
thanks :)
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari
Punkass *****.
kitznegari@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in
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> i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
> last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and crap.
> anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
> beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
>
> 1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
> minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
> 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
> and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
> 2.75 miles.
>
> right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
> sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
> do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
> bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
> right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
> instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
> time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
> miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
> years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
> reach his level yet, hehe.
>
> please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
> there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
>
> thanks :)
>
> - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
> love to run." -simon wilder
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari
In article <20040508055007.07889.00000086@mb-m04.aol.com>,
kitznegari thinks it has wings <kitznegari@aol.com> wrote:
>i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
>last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and crap.
>anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
>beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
>
>1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
>minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
>3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
>and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about 2.75
>miles.
The columns being minutes walking, speed in mph, minues
running, speed in mph? I'll assume so.
In coaching my beginning runners program, I try to go for
even pace for the running part, and even duration. You're
several steps along. The lowest run:walk ratio I've
advised a beginner to is 30 seconds : 1 minute.
The fact that your duration drops a lot when you go from
4.8 mph to
5.5 suggests to me that you're not really conversational any
more at the 5.5 mph. Given that, what I'd suggest you do
for now is leave the run at 4.8 mph (12:30 minutes per
mile), and do 3 stretches of 10 minutes. Repeat a few
days, until this is feeling easy. The next step will be 15
minutes running. Again, repeat until easy. Then, the last,
major step -- a straight 30 minutes.
Duration is overwhelmingly more important than pace,
especially at
this point. After, and only after, you're doing 30 minutes
straight
running, every other day, is it time to pause to ponder
your speed.
>right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
>sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i do
>work up a good sweat while i'm at it.
A good sweat is good. You'll make more progress (or
progress, period) if you give your body time to rebuild
after this new stress.
>please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
>there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
No ratings are relevant. We all start as beginners before
we get to be 'experienced'. You can't skip steps. Just
keep taking them. You'll probably see more progress,
faster, if you allow your body time to rebuild after the
stress of running. That's how training occurs -- you
stress the body in some way and, if you give it time, it
rebuilds so as to handle that type of stress better.
You may not appreciate just how much I mean this, or those
in the group, but probably the single biggest step in
running progress is to get to the point of running a
steady 30 minutes. There are other markers of progress,
but they're just (really) matters of degree, not kind.
This is the big one. Take your time to get there solidly,
and so that you don't have to back off below it.
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and
amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo
Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less
appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a
more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
"kitznegari thinks it has wings" <kitznegari@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
> minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
> 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
> and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
> 2.75 miles.
Kitz:
Unlike a lot of beginners, you seem to be doing things
pretty right. It *is* good that you don't feel sore in the
morning. I would say right now don't think about increasing
your speed (which is probably numero uno beginner's
mistake), but instead work on spacing your walk breaks a
little farther each week while keeping your total time. Once
you get to the point where you can go for 30 minutes without
a walk break, then start making one workout a week a little
longer--until you're comfortable doing 5-6 miles. IMHO,
that's a pretty good baseline for the casual runner/cardio
health; when you get to that point you can devise new goals.
what u r doing sounds great it takes me 40 minutes to do
3.7 miles keep an even pace , other than that you r doing
great plodzilla
kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote:
>
> i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
> last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and crap.
> anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
> beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
>
> 1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
> minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
> 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
> and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
> 2.75 miles.
>
> right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
> sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
> do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
> bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
> right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
> instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
> time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
> miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
> years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
> reach his level yet, hehe.
>
> please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
> there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
>
> thanks :)
>
> - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
> love to run." -simon wilder
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari
miles before speed most injuries are not from running per se
but from incorrect running to fast to soon
kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote:
>
> i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
> last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and crap.
> anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
> beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
>
> 1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
> minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
> 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
> and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
> 2.75 miles.
>
> right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
> sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
> do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
> bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
> right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
> instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
> time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
> miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
> years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
> reach his level yet, hehe.
>
> please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
> there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
>
> thanks :)
>
> - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
> love to run." -simon wilder
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari
miles before speed most injuries are not from running per se
but from incorrect running to fast to soon work up to slow
miles then to fast miles / take time off when needed / the
body only repairs itself when you sleep / no sleep / no
repair! podzilla
kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote:
>
> i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
> last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and crap.
> anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
> beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:
>
> 1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
> minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
> 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5
>
> and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
> 2.75 miles.
>
> right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
> sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
> do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
> bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
> right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
> instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
> time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
> miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
> years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
> reach his level yet, hehe.
>
> please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
> there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
>
> thanks :)
>
> - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
> love to run." -simon wilder
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari
On 08 May 2004 09:50:07 GMT, kitznegari@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it
has wings) wrote:
>i'm a beginner.
At running, yes. At winding people up...
> but my target right now is to be able to keep up with my
> martial arts instructor when we go on our saturday run
> together
Chasing after peope is never a good idea. Set your own
goals. Let them chase you.
> last time he was doing circles around me
People do that to you quite a lot, don't they? You really
*must* get a grip on your life. No use having a web site
stuffed full of wise sayings if you don't put them into
practice IRL.
> he's also been running for more than 15 years. i just want
> to be able to keep up for now, not reach his level yet
So, he takes 15 years to get somewhere, and you want to
'match' him in 1? You suffer from that peculiarly Yankee
disease - impatience. Can I suggest something? Adopt a
European stance. Focus on the journey, not the goal.
That way, even if you don't make it you get to have fun
on the way.
>please be honest
I alway try.
> where do i rate as a beginner
Pretty good.
> and is there anything i can do to improve myself faster?
No.
>thanks :)
S'ok. Love to the Bean.
>Punkass *****.
yep.
next topic.
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari 28 more days
until my D1 test.
>In coaching my beginning runners program, I try to go for
>even pace for the running part, and even duration. You're
>several steps along.
*yay!* *feels a boost of self esteem*
> The fact that your duration drops a lot when you go from
> 4.8 mph to
>5.5 suggests to me that you're not really conversational
> any more at the 5.5 mph. Given that, what I'd suggest you
> do for now is leave the run at 4.8 mph (12:30 minutes per
> mile), and do 3 stretches of 10 minutes. Repeat a few
> days, until this is feeling easy. The next step will be
> 15 minutes running. Again, repeat until easy. Then, the
> last, major step -- a straight 30 minutes.
i'm glad you said that.
>Duration is overwhelmingly more important than pace,
>especially at this point.
i'm really glad you posted this because i had no idea it was
that way. i'll adjust accordingly.
>After, and only after, you're doing 30 minutes straight
>running, every other day, is it time to pause to ponder
>your speed.
okay ^_^
>You may not appreciate just how much I mean this, or those
>in the group, but probably the single biggest step in
>running progress is to get to the point of running a steady
>30 minutes. There are other markers of progress, but
>they're just (really) matters of degree, not kind. This is
>the big one. Take your time to get there solidly, and so
>that you don't have to back off below it.
so move my three stretches of 10 into two stretches of 15,
then all the way up, huh? cool ^_^
thank you!!
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari 28 more days
until my D1 test.
>Unlike a lot of beginners, you seem to be doing things
>pretty right. It *is* good that you don't feel sore in the
>morning. I would say right now don't think about increasing
>your speed (which is probably numero uno beginner's
>mistake), but instead work on spacing your walk breaks a
>little farther each week while keeping your total time.
>Once you get to the point where you can go for 30 minutes
>without a walk break, then start making one workout a week
>a little longer--until you're comfortable doing 5-6 miles.
>IMHO, that's a pretty good baseline for the casual
>runner/cardio health; when you get to that point you can
>devise new goals.
thank you ^_^
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari 28 more days
until my D1 test.
>what u r doing sounds great it takes me 40 minutes to do
>3.7 miles keep an even pace , other than that you r doing
>great plodzilla
thanks!
you guys have been great for my self confidence ^_^
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari 28 more days
until my D1 test.
caroline:
>>i'm a beginner.
>
>At running, yes. At winding people up...
i don't understand your comment.
>Chasing after peope is never a good idea. Set your own
>goals. Let them chase you.
he's my success coach. he's helped me do a heck of a lot.
>> last time he was doing circles around me
>
>People do that to you quite a lot, don't they? You really
>*must* get a grip on your life. No use having a web site
>stuffed full of wise sayings if you don't put them into
>practice IRL.
i'm sorry, but do i know you? have i offended you somewhere
before? i have no idea why you're saying this stuff. as far
as i know i've never even heard of you.
>>thanks :)
>
>S'ok. Love to the Bean.
? who ARE you?
- k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
love to run." -simon wilder
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com (http://spinning_plates.tripod.com/)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari 28 more days
until my D1 test.
On 09 May 2004 13:46:12 GMT, kitznegari@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it
has wings) wrote:
>i don't understand your comment.
'Twas a fairly straightforward sentence, you little tease...
>he's my success coach. he's helped me do a heck of a lot.
Nothing that you couldn't have achieved by yourself. You
lack motivation which - given your 'net personality -
surprises me.
>i'm sorry, but do i know you?
Our paths seem to cross rather too frequently.
> have i offended you somewhere before?
Not offended as such, perhaps you've been a little blunt.
Note I didn't say you were *wrong* in your assessment of my
persona, just a little too honest for my tastes.
>? who ARE you?
Oh, no-one of any significance.
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