Klein: need some tips
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Alright, Klein gimps. Scott? Rosso? Help me out here. Is there a graceful way to release your rear wheel? I feel like I'm in a bike shop episode of the Marx Brothers whenever I wrestle with these backwards dropouts.
Anyone want to shoot me a series of colorful diagrams, sketched on napkins, illustrating a way to do this with dignity?
Originally posted by lokstah
Alright, Klein gimps. Scott? Rosso? Help me out here. Is there a graceful way to release your rear wheel? I feel like I'm in a bike shop episode of the Marx Brothers whenever I wrestle with these backwards dropouts.
Anyone want to shoot me a series of colorful diagrams, sketched on napkins, illustrating a way to do this with dignity?
ah, i dunno bout kliens but ive had to remove some tite rear wheels, i think its just about pulling on exactly the right direction, sounds obvious but i dunno with other set ups its not so important of course
Originally posted by lokstah
Alright, Klein gimps. Scott? Rosso? Help me out here. Is there a graceful way to release your rear wheel? I feel like I'm in a bike shop episode of the Marx Brothers whenever I wrestle with these backwards dropouts.
Anyone want to shoot me a series of colorful diagrams, sketched on napkins, illustrating a way to do this with dignity?
Lokky - this is a page from the tech manual that you can download from Klein's site... you DID do this didn't you? Anyway, yes they're different but you CAN get fast and smooth with a little practice - basically you put the chain in the smallest cog, open the brakes and skewer, pull the wheel straight back without dinking with the chain, and then after it's all the way out THEN take the chain off. Microdrops are the coolest- stop thinking of them as backwards - all other dropouts are "old school".
If I can't attach this .pdf file I'll e-mail it to you or PM or something.
Yup, check your PMs
Crap, can't attach them there either. Go get the tech manual for yr 2003 and see page 61 or else PM me your e-mail addy.
Alrighty, alrighty, I'll download the friggin' manual already.
Whether or not this will develop into a feature of the frame that I think is "the coolest" or not remains to be seen... for the time being, it's my least favorite part of the design.
The first time I took the wheel off and reinstalled it, I felt like it was my first bike. I was rubbing my chin, studying the chain, thinking, "why is this so confusing? It's not that weird a feature. Am I stupid?"
Anyways, thanks.
I practiced this about a dozen times with my bike in the workstand so I could learn the technique without trying to do the rest of the balancing act at the same time. Then another dozen times out of the stand and now it's second nature. Only two rear flats since I've had my Klein but it still pays to look like you know what you're doing. I take my wheel off when I clean the chain (put in a spare hub and cassette to keep the gouk off the tire) so that keeps me in practice.
Originally posted by DiabloScott
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Originally posted by DiabloScott
Update Locki?
Still hard. Still love the bike, though. Finally got the stem/spacers setup where I want it; feels and looks better now. Got a nice stack of silver Cane Creek hoops and a matching topcap to go with the headset.
No, just the other day I was changing the rear tire, cursing, frustrated, trying to remember your lessons... calm down, Lokstah... think, Lokstah... pull back, all the way, around the tree, through the hole, over the log...
:)
Pretty simple if you shift to the smallest cassette gear, pull the chain back and pull out the wheel. Kinda weird if you aren't used to it, but it gets easier the more you do it. Good luck.
I feel like it requires a 3rd hand.
After so many wheel removals with ordinary forward-facing dropouts, it feels like someone moved the doorknob from the right side of the bathroom door to the left, without flipping the hinges.
Or something like that... :)
Originally posted by p55mac
Scott, I'll take your hamburger patty if you don't want it. WHAT!! No generic beer?!
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Generic beer would have been a big improvement in the post-ride meal! I don't think even the carnivores were too impressed with those patties and franks.
You know what I want after a cool weather century? CHILI with lots of crackers and cheese and hot sauce... never seen it. I've seen asparagus, fried chicken, radicchio salad, every weird kind of food you could think of for after a long ride but nobody ever thinks of chili.
Back on topic - I read that the Mavic moto guy screwed up a rear wheel change on a Jittery Joe's Klein in the Tour de Georgia near the finish of one stage. Maybe Mavic needs to hire me for some training.
Originally posted by DiabloScott
Back on topic - I read that the Mavic moto guy screwed up a rear wheel change on a Jittery Joe's Klein in the Tour de Georgia near the finish of one stage. Maybe Mavic needs to hire me for some training.
Seriously -- not hard to imagine that being a problem. Could you imagine being a Mavic support guy, rushing to change a rear wheel in blazing time, and you find yourself looking at a reverse micro-dropout for the first time?
What ended up happening? Did they just throw him on one of the Mavic yellow bikes?
Go ahead and send in your resume, Scott. Could be a fun summer job if the Cinnabon thing falls through.
:)
It happened as the peloton was 5k from the finishing circuits on the last day - sort of the Champs Ellyses stage of the TdG. The Mavic guy got the wheel in but it was slow change and it wound up not being in straight either so the JJ rider (Jed Scheider) had to stop a second time. Then he sort of hung on to the team car at 50mph until he got back on but by then he was too burned out for the sprint.
Yeah, I'm sure I could teach those Mavic guys a lot! They must have 9sp and 10sp Shimano as well as Campy wheels available and be able to tell which one they need in a moment's notice, be sure to grab the right wheel, and get it on somebody's bike in under 10 seconds. But they probably do it all the time - I'm sure Mavic Inc wants their Moto guys to be fast change artists no matter what the circumstance.
If I recall correctly, the dropout design is to help in the event the skewer breaks, or otherwise stops "holding". Since the action of the chain will cause the rear wheel to go forward, having the drops reversed...er, I mean normal...will keep the wheel from falling off.
Oh, and yes it's a pain to get use to.
A dreadful, greasy-fingered pain.
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