Freddie has his day! w00t!

[Richard Adams]

From CN:

Results

1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris Nauduzs
(Lat) Domina Vacanze

[Tom Schulenburg]

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c2352af0.0405170715.362da3f7@posting.google.com...
> From CN:
>
> Results
>
> 1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
> Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
> Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris Nauduzs
> (Lat) Domina Vacanze

And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's a
quality win.

-T

[Bob Schwartz]

Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:
> From CN:

> Results

> 1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
> Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
> Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris Nauduzs
> (Lat) Domina Vacanze

Please show a little courtesy and list the entire podium in
the header, not just the stage winner.

Thanks,

Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com

[Dan Connelly]

Tom Schulenburg wrote:
> "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:c2352af0.0405170715.362da3f7@posting.google.com...
>
>>From CN:
>>
>>Results
>>
>>1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
>>Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
>>Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris Nauduzs
>>(Lat) Domina Vacanze
>
>
> And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's
> a quality win.
>
> -T

Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been getting
like 9th in the sprint stages.

Amazing.

Dan

[Tom Schulenburg]

"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
message news:Zk6qc.68027$Wl4.17991@newssvr25.news.prodi-
gy.com... <SNIP>> >
> > And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it!
> > That's a quality win.
> >
> > -T
>
> Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been
> getting like 9th
in
> the sprint stages.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Dan
>

Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He had
2 bike lengths on Petacchi and Peta couldn't close the
gap fast enough. I think it helped that it was uphill
into the wind.

-T

[Dan Connelly]

Tom Schulenburg wrote:
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
> message
> news:Zk6qc.68027$Wl4.17991@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
> <SNIP>> >
>
>>>And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's
>>>a quality win.
>>>
>>>-T
>>
>>Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been
>>getting like 9th
>
> in
>
>>the sprint stages.
>>
>>Amazing.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>
>
> Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He had
> 2 bike lengths on Petacchi and Peta couldn't close the
> gap fast enough. I think it helped that it was uphill
> into the wind.
>
> -T
>
>
>

Usually headwind means to go late, but uphill
complicates matters.

Video (currently only a short one) is up at: http://www- (http://www-/)
.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_123_73-
54,00.html

[Russ Baxter]

Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message news:<%17qc.68062$rz4.26960@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
> Tom Schulenburg wrote:
> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
> > message news:Zk6qc.68027$Wl4.17991@newssvr25.news.prodi-
> > gy.com... <SNIP>> >
> >
> >>>And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it!
> >>>That's a quality win.
> >>>
> >>>-T
> >>
> >>Unbelievable.... what's up with that? The guy's been
> >>getting like 9th
> >
> > in
> >
> >>the sprint stages.
> >>
> >>Amazing.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sounded like he showed some nuts and jumped early. He
> > had 2 bike lengths on Petacchi and Peta couldn't close
> > the gap fast enough. I think it helped that it was
> > uphill into the wind.
> >
> > -T
> >
> >
> >
>
> Usually headwind means to go late, but uphill complicates
> matters.
>
> Video (currently only a short one) is up at: http://www.- (http://www.-/)
> raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_123_7354-
> ,00.html

There is a pretty good clip (including an overhead replay)
linked to this page:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2004/ita/i-
ndex.shtml

Follow the video archive link a little was down the page.

[Richard Adams]

"Tom Schulenburg" <tschulenYOUR@HATpacbell.net> wrote in message news:<oQ5qc.49921$p_.13321@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:c2352af0.0405170715.362da3f7@posting.google.com...
> > From CN:
> >
> > Results
> >
> > 1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
> > Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
> > Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris
> > Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze
>
> And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it! That's
> a quality win.
>
> -T

Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making
tactical errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
something few so far have done. I guess graciousness doesn't
come easy to him.

[H Squared]

Richard Adams wrote:
>
> "Tom Schulenburg" <tschulenYOUR@HATpacbell.net> wrote in
> message
> news:<oQ5qc.49921$p_.13321@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
> > "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in
> > message
> > news:c2352af0.0405170715.362da3f7@posting.google.com...
> > > From CN:
> > >
> > > Results
> > >
> > > 1 Fred Rodriguez (USA) Acquea & Sapone 2 Alessandro
> > > Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 3 Angelo Furlan (Ita) Alessio-
> > > Bianchi 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Lotto-Domo 5 Andris
> > > Nauduzs (Lat) Domina Vacanze
> >
> > And he came around Petacchi and McWhiner to do it!
> > That's a quality win.
> >
> > -T
>
> Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

i, er, fell asleep until the very end of the race today, and
waking up i was very surprised to see petacchi getting beat.
i'm glad i held off reading rbr until i watched the video!
anyway, after i woke up, i watched the slow mo a few times
cause it's so cool to see him just come out of fourth
position and hold everyone off to win :)

heather

[Benjamin Weiner]

Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:

> Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.

It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

> A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making
> tactical errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
> something few so far have done. I guess graciousness
> doesn't come easy to him.

Comments I've seen from Petacchi have rarely (ever?) been
arrogant. From http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/giro04/-
?id=results/stage9

"Well once in a while, anyone makes a mistake. Fred was
smart to jump early and I probably should have gone
earlier and risked a loss - but I waited and Rodriguez got
two bike lengths on me. I came back really fast but it
wasn't enough. He took the risk and he won."

Duking it out in that kind of melee requires a level of self-
confidence that must border on arrogance anyway.

Ben Not a Sprinter

[Howard Kveck]

In article <40a958a9$1@darkstar>, Benjamin Weiner <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

> Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> > Indeed, nothing cheap about it, a very prestigious win.
>
> It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
> yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

How he figured he'd get away with that one...

>
> > A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making
> > tactical errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
> > something few so far have done. I guess graciousness
> > doesn't come easy to him.
>
> Comments I've seen from Petacchi have rarely (ever?) been
> arrogant. From http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/giro0-
> 4/?id=results/stage9
>
> "Well once in a while, anyone makes a mistake. Fred was
> smart to jump early and I probably should have gone
> earlier and risked a loss - but I waited and Rodriguez
> got two bike lengths on me. I came back really fast but
> it wasn't enough. He took the risk and he won."

I read that as Petacchi giving Rodriguez credit for doing
what he may have known he should have. Petacchi seems to
be a pretty good winner, but he's not so bad a loser.

--
tanx, Howard

"Moby **** was a work of art, What the hell
happened?"

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Dan Connelly]

Howard Kveck wrote:
>>It was unfair because McEwen was under scrutiny after
>>yesterday, so he wasn't allowed to cheat.

I'm not sure FF would agree: Then as Fassa came back up to
the front, the last guy to come around me going into the
corner was Petacchi. So coming out of the last corner I
found myself on Petacchi's wheel, but right away McEwen -
the little boxer that he is - fought for the wheel. Now in
the past, I'd wasted way too much energy fighting for
Petacchi's wheel, so I just settled in on McEwen's.

from:
http://www.velonews.com/diaries/rider/articles/6097.0.html

(BTW, I actually won the VeloNews "pick the stage winner"
contest for Saturday. My pick? Petacchi. Impressive, eh?)

>
>
> How he figured he'd get away with that one...

[derby]

Originally posted by Richard Adams

A shame for Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making
tactical errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
something few so far have done. I guess graciousness doesn't
come easy to him.

Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted to come here with different teamates."

They must love that guy at the team dinners.

[Richard Adams]

derby <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<gPoqc.11920$1l2.11836@fe29.usenetserver.com>...
> wrote:
> > Originally posted by Richard Adams A shame for
> > Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical
> > errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
> > something few so far have done. I guess graciousness
> > doesn't come easy to him.
>
>
>
> Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted
> to come here with different teamates."
>
> They must love that guy at the team dinners.

Considering what Aug did for the team would you blame him?
Cipo's the big dog on that team, no matter how you stack
it, his presence keeps the sponsor's money flowing in and
in turn keeps those riders employed. Bittersweet pill, no
doubt, but when you are the marquee rider and go to a
grand tour for one reason only, why not give him the
riders he wants?

[Richard Adams]

derby <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<gPoqc.11920$1l2.11836@fe29.usenetserver.com>...
> wrote:
> > Originally posted by Richard Adams A shame for
> > Petacchi he had to feel annoyed about making tactical
> > errors rather than congratulate Fred on doing
> > something few so far have done. I guess graciousness
> > doesn't come easy to him.
>
>
>
> Nothing rivals the well aged wine of Cipollini..."I wanted
> to come here with different teamates."
>
> They must love that guy at the team dinners.

Considering what Aug did for the team would you blame him?
Cipo's the big dog on that team, no matter how you stack
it, his presence keeps the sponsor's money flowing in and
in turn keeps those riders employed. Bittersweet pill, no
doubt, but when you are the marquee rider and go to a
grand tour for one reason only, why not give him the
riders he wants?

[derby]

Considering what Aug did for the team would you blame him?
Cipo's the big dog on that team, no matter how you stack
it, his presence keeps the sponsor's money flowing in and
in turn keeps those riders employed. Bittersweet pill, no
doubt, but when you are the marquee rider and go to a
grand tour for one reason only, why not give him the
riders he wants?

Your points are well taken and I agree that the team management should have taken his requests into consideration and given him what he wants, but that said, yes, I do blame him for publicly denigrating his teammates who no doubt were doing their best under the circumstances.

[Jesse Thompson]

Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote:

> I'm not sure FF would agree: Then as Fassa came back up to
> the front, the last guy to come around me going into the
> corner was Petacchi. So coming out of the last corner I
> found myself on Petacchi's wheel, but right away McEwen -
> the little boxer that he is - fought for the wheel. Now in
> the past, I'd wasted way too much energy fighting for
> Petacchi's wheel, so I just settled in on McEwen's.
>
> from: http://www.velonews.com/diaries/rider/articles/609-
> 7.0.html

54x11? Uphill in a headwind? Oh man.