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Graham Watson, ie Lance Armstrong's personal photographer
Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He chooses
not to cover the second week of the Giro in order to cover
some no-name french race all because his boy LA will be
there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about the bling-bling, as
he can probably sell more photos of LA (to the mainstream
press and others) than of the Giro. What a sad, sad state
of affairs.
- Boyd "missing the Giro pics" S.
"Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He chooses
> not to cover the second week of the Giro in order to cover
> some no-name french race all because his boy LA will be
> there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about the bling-bling, as
> he can probably sell more photos of LA (to the mainstream
> press and others) than of the Giro. What a sad, sad state
> of affairs.
>
> - Boyd "missing the Giro pics" S.
There are still lots of Giro pic around by better
photographers than the stale Graham cracker. Sirotti is but
one who does excellent work. Too bad Cor Vos is at the
Peace Race.
"B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com>
> wrote in message
> news:Xns94EC741E83889bspeerscNOSPAM@65.32.1.7...
> > Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He
> > chooses not to cover the second week of the Giro in
> > order to cover
some
> > no-name french race all because his boy LA will be
> > there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about the bling-bling,
> > as he can probably sell more photos of LA (to the
> > mainstream press and others) than of the Giro. What a
> > sad, sad state of affairs.
> >
> > - Boyd "missing the Giro pics" S.
>
> There are still lots of Giro pic around by better
> photographers than the stale Graham cracker. Sirotti is
> but one who does excellent work. Too
bad
> Cor Vos is at the Peace Race.
>
I know, that bugged me too! It's the Giro! He also left the
tour of Switzerland a couple of years ago and there were no
photos of the last stages.
ANother photographer I like is Yuzuru Sunada, who also left
the giro to cover the WC track in Sydney. However, he may go
back to the giro, and he has a great collection on his
website (www.yuzurusunada.com) He recently had a series of
collections including, "Bad Weather", "Crash", and "Legs."I
think the photo I remember the most is one of Fabio
Fontanelli after that horrible crash in the tour in 1994,
with a chain ring imprinted on his face!
B. Lafferty wrote:
> There are still lots of Giro pic around by better
> photographers than the stale Graham cracker. Sirotti is
> but one who does excellent work. Too bad Cor Vos is at the
> Peace Race.
>
From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti photo
which is better than any of Watson's work there.
thanks, Dan
P.S. Obviously, Watson's following the money. As Brian
points out, there's plenty of competition at the Giro.
No problem with that.
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
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> B. Lafferty wrote:
> > There are still lots of Giro pic around by better
> > photographers than the stale Graham cracker. Sirotti is
> > but one who does excellent work. Too
bad
> > Cor Vos is at the Peace Race.
> >
>
> From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti photo
> which is better
than any of Watson's work
> there.
>
> thanks, Dan
>
> P.S. Obviously, Watson's following the money. As Brian
> points out,
there's plenty of
> competition at the Giro. No problem with that.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?i-
d=stage7/6
B. Lafferty wrote:
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote
> in message
>> From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti photo
>> which is better than any of Watson's work there.
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?i-
> d=stage7/6
:)
Boyd Speerschneider wrote:
> Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He chooses
> not to cover the second week of the Giro in order to cover
> some no-name french race all because his boy LA will be
> there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about the bling-bling,
Isn't that a Woody Guthrie song? (If ya don't have
the bling, bling, bling..."
Steve
as he can probably sell more
> photos of LA (to the mainstream press and others) than of
> the Giro. What a sad, sad state of affairs.
>
> - Boyd "missing the Giro pics" S.
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com (http://www.dentaltwins.com/)
Brooklyn, NY
"B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
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> >
> > From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti
> > photo which is
better
> > than any of Watson's work there.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?i-
> d=stage7/6
Do you know what "good" means in relation to a photograph?
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
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> B. Lafferty wrote:
> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
> > message
>
> >> From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti
> >> photo which is
better
> >> than any of Watson's work there.
>
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php-
> > ?id=stage7/6
>
> :)
I figure that Graham wouldn't have shadows across the faces
of the people he's trying to photograph. Wouldn't you think
so as well?
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
> message
> news:A07qc.68059$rz4.26368@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>B. Lafferty wrote:
>>
>>>"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in
>>>message
>>
>>>>From the Giro, please show an example of a Sirotti photo
>>>>which is
>
> better
>
>>>>than any of Watson's work there.
>>
>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/giro04/index.php?-
>>>id=stage7/6
>>
>>:)
>
>
> I figure that Graham wouldn't have shadows across the
> faces of the people he's trying to photograph. Wouldn't
> you think so as well?
>
>
Watson's my favorite. It's hard to beat shots like: http://- (http://-/)
grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openfo-
rm&04giroSt5
And some discrete cropping on his podium kiss shots: http:/-
/grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openf-
orm&04romandieSt3
Dan
P.S. encouraging: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/bush-
jobapproval.png
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> P.S. encouraging: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/bu-
> shjobapproval.png
I had to extend the left axis to handle the most recent
polls. The old plot is:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/oldbushjobapproval.png
Robert Chung wrote:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>
>>P.S. encouraging: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/bu-
>> shjobapproval.png
>
>
> I had to extend the left axis to handle the most recent
> polls. The old plot is: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/t-
> emp/oldbushjobapproval.png
>
>
Interesting observations:
1. Fox registers consistently high numbers, Zogby
consistently low.
2. Two clear spikes: 911 and Saddam capture. He needs to get
Osama, or he loses in 2004 (Go, Osama, Go! )
Also, two very interesting plots: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/exp-
percap.png http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/pct-gdp.png
Can you say "value on the dollar"?
And, maybe my favorite: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/fat-
vote.png
Cycling, related, there's also a nice plot of the 1997 BMI
data (Google for the number data -- it's on cyclingnews):
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/tdf97-bmi.png
don't worry, I'm not for terrorism. I don't think
terrorism is driven by individuals, but by political
environments, and Bush is creating the optimal political
environment. So the real force behind terrorism isn't OBL,
but GWB. If people realized this, we'd see an accelerated
trend on that plot.
P.S. To keep this topical, the data from which I did the
regression is at:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/tdf.csv
Dan Connelly wrote:
> 2. Two clear spikes: 911 and Saddam capture. He needs to
> get Osama, or he loses in 2004 (Go, Osama, Go! )
>
That is 3 spikes -- the invasion of Iraq, as well.
Dan Connelly wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>
>>> P.S. encouraging: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/-
>>> bushjobapproval.png
>>
>>
>> I had to extend the left axis to handle the most recent
>> polls. The old plot is: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/-
>> temp/oldbushjobapproval.png
>>
>>
>
> Interesting observations:
>
> 1. Fox registers consistently high numbers, Zogby
> consistently low.
Most national polls use "adults of voting age." Fox uses
"registered" voters. Zogby uses "likely" voters. In
addition, most of the other polls ask a (binary) approve or
disapprove question. Zogby asks a four-part job rating
question as: excellent/good/fair/poor/not sure." What I've
plotted for Zogby is (excellent+good) - (fair+poor).
> 2. Two clear spikes: 911 and Saddam capture. He needs to
> get Osama, or he loses in 2004 (Go, Osama, Go! )
Third spike is "Mission accomplished."
GWB has never had an extended bounce in his job approval
ratings; he's actually never had a stable flat plateau.
> Also, two very interesting plots: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/exp-
> percap.png http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/pct-
> gdp.png
>
> Can you say "value on the dollar"?
Those focus on disability-adjusted expectation of life at
birth, but by almost any measure the US is smack dab in the
middle of the developed countries (we're certainly better
off than third-world countries, but then that's not who we
usually compare ourselves to). The one variable where we are
unambiguously ranked number one is cost. It's not close.
> And, maybe my favorite: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/fat-
> vote.png
Ben Weiner pointed out that the Mountain West states have
close to the same slope but a different intercept.
"Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts?
>
Maybe Graham sells more Lance pics and posters than
any other?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message news:<2gse9vF6cf4bU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> Boyd Speerschneider wrote:
>
> > Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He
> > chooses not to cover the second week of the Giro in
> > order to cover some no-name french race all because his
> > boy LA will be there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about
> > the bling-bling,
>
> Isn't that a Woody Guthrie song? (If ya don't have
> the bling, bling, bling..."
CYPRESS HILL ("Bling, BLing")
-Ken
>
> Steve
>
"Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in news:FGaqc.34935
$2f6.1318180@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
>
> "Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com>
> wrote in message
> news:Xns94EC741E83889bspeerscNOSPAM@65.32.1.7...
>> Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts?
>>
> Maybe Graham sells more Lance pics and posters than
> any other?
Maybe you need to read more than just the first line
of my post?
Boyd Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94EC741E83889bspeerscNOSPAM@65.32.1.7>...
> Is it just me or is Graham Watson on LA's nuts? He chooses
> not to cover the second week of the Giro in order to cover
> some no-name french race all because his boy LA will be
> there. WTF? I'm guessing its all about the bling-bling, as
> he can probably sell more photos of LA (to the mainstream
> press and others) than of the Giro. What a sad, sad state
> of affairs.
>
> - Boyd "missing the Giro pics" S.
You have to figure the opportunity for photographers to make
some serious dough doesn't come along very often. That
Graham's books can be found in book barns, across the US, is
some indication he's made a good business decision.
One thing's for sure, after LA retires we won't have to look
far for pictures of his glory days.
Robert Chung wrote:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>
>>Robert Chung wrote:
>>
>>>Dan Connelly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>P.S. encouraging: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/-
>>>> bushjobapproval.png
>>>
>>>
>>>I had to extend the left axis to handle the most recent
>>>polls. The old plot is: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/-
>>>temp/oldbushjobapproval.png
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Interesting observations:
>>
>>1. Fox registers consistently high numbers, Zogby
>> consistently low.
>
>
> Most national polls use "adults of voting age." Fox uses
> "registered" voters. Zogby uses "likely" voters. In
> addition, most of the other polls ask a (binary) approve
> or disapprove question. Zogby asks a four-part job rating
> question as: excellent/good/fair/poor/not sure." What I've
> plotted for Zogby is (excellent+good) - (fair+poor).
>
>
>>2. Two clear spikes: 911 and Saddam capture. He needs to
>> get Osama, or he loses in 2004 (Go, Osama, Go! )
>
>
> Third spike is "Mission accomplished."
>
> GWB has never had an extended bounce in his job approval
> ratings; he's actually never had a stable flat plateau.
>
>
>>Also, two very interesting plots: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/exp-
>>percap.png http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/pct-
>>gdp.png
>>
>>Can you say "value on the dollar"?
>
>
> Those focus on disability-adjusted expectation of life at
> birth, but by almost any measure the US is smack dab in
> the middle of the developed countries (we're certainly
> better off than third-world countries, but then that's not
> who we usually compare ourselves to). The one variable
> where we are unambiguously ranked number one is cost. It's
> not close.
>
>
>
>>And, maybe my favorite: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/fat-
>>vote.png
>
>
> Ben Weiner pointed out that the Mountain West states have
> close to the same slope but a different intercept.
>
>
Guys-- These are simply amazing!! Is the anonymous coward
one of you two, or is he/she truly anonymous?
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com (http://www.dentaltwins.com/)
Brooklyn, NY
Marlene Blanshay <blanshay@total.net> wrote:
> "B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message
> > There are still lots of Giro pic around by better
> > photographers than the stale Graham cracker. Sirotti is
> > but one who does excellent work. Too bad Cor Vos is at
> > the Peace Race.
> I know, that bugged me too! It's the Giro! He also left
> the tour of Switzerland a couple of years ago and there
> were no photos of the last stages.
When the new UCI ProTour is implemented, photographers will
be required to cover and complete all three Grand Tours in
order to receive UCI accreditation. No more cherry picking
or skipping races in order to cover so-called "training
camps." A sense of priority and respect for the sport must
be foremost.
Furthermore, digital photography will be forbidden, and only
traditional film is permitted as in the days of Merckx. This
will also assist in the fight against copyright violations.
Riders' jerseys will carry UCI symbols and photographs
thereof will be considered property of the UCI (e.g. "work
for hire" under US copyright law), with single-use licenses
granted to UCI-accredited photographers only.
Regards,
Hein Verbruggen
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