Botero is in serious trouble...
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International Bayern Rundfahrt, Stage 1
1 Antonio Bucciero (Ita) Saeco 5.28.12 2 Alexandre Bazhenov
(Rus) Domina Vacanze 3 Markus Ganser (Ger) Team Comnet-
Senges 4 Danilo Napolitano (Ita) Team L.P.R.-Piacenza
Management SRL 0.24 ... 103 Mauro Zinetti (Ita) Vini Caldirola-
Nobili Rubinetterie 4.42 104 Santiago Botero Echeverry (Col)
T-Mobile Team 105 Pawel Jereczek (Pol) Action ATI 7.15 106
Sebastian Freese (Ger) Team Hygia-Koga/RSH 10.38 DNF Massimo
Boglia (Ita) Team L.P.R.-Piacenza Management SRL DNS Antonio
Rizzi (Ita) De Nardi
Damn it, after hearing him restate his ambitions for the TdF
I really thought he was going to show some good form. This
is just pitiful.
-Sonarrat.
Sonarrat <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message news:<BCD19104.3537%mynick@nospam.hotmail>...
> International Bayern Rundfahrt, Stage 1
>
> 1 Antonio Bucciero (Ita) Saeco 5.28.12 2 Alexandre
> Bazhenov (Rus) Domina Vacanze 3 Markus Ganser (Ger) Team
> Comnet-Senges 4 Danilo Napolitano (Ita) Team L.P.R.-
> Piacenza Management SRL 0.24 ... 103 Mauro Zinetti (Ita)
> Vini Caldirola-Nobili Rubinetterie 4.42 104 Santiago
> Botero Echeverry (Col) T-Mobile Team 105 Pawel Jereczek
> (Pol) Action ATI 7.15 106 Sebastian Freese (Ger) Team Hygia-
> Koga/RSH 10.38 DNF Massimo Boglia (Ita) Team L.P.R.-
> Piacenza Management SRL DNS Antonio Rizzi (Ita) De Nardi
>
> Damn it, after hearing him restate his ambitions for the
> TdF I really thought he was going to show some good form.
> This is just pitiful.
>
> -Sonarrat.
He could always race Beloki for Lantern Rouge.
It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
believe me.
"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> Sonarrat <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
news:<BCD19104.3537%mynick@nospam.hotmail>...
> > International Bayern Rundfahrt, Stage 1
> >
> > 1 Antonio Bucciero (Ita) Saeco 5.28.12 2 Alexandre
> > Bazhenov (Rus) Domina Vacanze 3 Markus Ganser (Ger) Team
> > Comnet-Senges 4 Danilo Napolitano (Ita) Team L.P.R.-
> > Piacenza Management SRL 0.24 ... 103 Mauro Zinetti (Ita)
> > Vini Caldirola-Nobili Rubinetterie 4.42 104 Santiago
> > Botero Echeverry (Col) T-Mobile Team 105 Pawel Jereczek
> > (Pol) Action ATI 7.15 106 Sebastian Freese (Ger) Team
> > Hygia-Koga/RSH 10.38 DNF Massimo Boglia (Ita) Team L.P.R.-
> > Piacenza Management SRL DNS Antonio Rizzi (Ita) De Nardi
> >
> > Damn it, after hearing him restate his ambitions for the
> > TdF I really thought he was going to show some good
> > form. This is just pitiful.
> >
> > -Sonarrat.
>
> He could always race Beloki for Lantern Rouge.
in article Qz5rc.23063$KE6.10055@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, B.
Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
> It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
> believe me.
At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to show
flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You may be
right, but I kind of doubt
it...
Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end of
the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the
stage was only half the length of yesterday's stage and
that's really not where he should have been at any rate...
he should have been mid-pack with teammates Klier, Klöden
and Wesemann...
-Sonarrat.
"Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
news:BCD24168.3554%mynick@nospam.hotmail...
> in article
> Qz5rc.23063$KE6.10055@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, B.
> Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
>
> > It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
> > believe me.
>
> At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to
> show flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You
> may be right, but I kind of doubt
> it...
>
> Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end of
> the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the
> stage was only half the length
of
> yesterday's stage and that's really not where he should
> have been at any rate... he should have been mid-pack with
> teammates Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
>
> -Sonarrat.
Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he even
shows up for the Tour. Setting aside the psychological
aspects of coming back after such a crash, the deep, soft
tissue injuries in his pelvic area will take a while longer
to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or maybe at the
Vuelta this year.
"B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
> news:BCD24168.3554%mynick@nospam.hotmail...
> > in article Qz5rc.23063$KE6.10055@newsread3.news.atl.ea-
> > rthlink.net, B. Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on
> > 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
> >
> > > It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
> > > believe me.
> >
> > At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to
> > show flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You
> > may be right, but I kind of doubt
> > it...
> >
> > Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end
> > of the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but
> > the stage was only half the length
> of
> > yesterday's stage and that's really not where he should
> > have been at any rate... he should have been mid-pack
> > with teammates Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
> >
> Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he even
> shows up for the Tour. Setting aside the psychological
> aspects of coming back after such a crash, the deep, soft
> tissue injuries in his pelvic area will take a while
> longer to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or
> maybe at the Vuelta this year.
I think we're talking about different riders, unless Botero
had a crash I didn't know about.
-Sonarrat.
Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares in
researching for another thread. Last year, he had no
significant results until early June at the Volta a
Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and
then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is
pretty much how he has been throughout his career, starting
to show glimmers in June in time for July, leaving enough
energy left for September... so his season has traditionally
followed a similar arch to Botero's.
The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the
Vuelta last year.
-Sonarrat.
Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares in
researching for another thread. Last year, he had no
significant results until early June at the Volta a
Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and
then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is
pretty much how he has been throughout his career, starting
to show glimmers in June in time for July, leaving enough
energy left for September... so his season has traditionally
followed a similar arch to Botero's.
The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the
Vuelta last year.
-Sonarrat.
I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders some days.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.fishn..> wrote in message
news:10apvq692as1k4a@corp.supernews.com...
> "B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message news:8K-
> 6rc.16249$zO3.13087@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
> > news:BCD24168.3554%mynick@nospam.hotmail...
> > > in article Qz5rc.23063$KE6.10055@newsread3.news.atl.e-
> > > arthlink.net, B. Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on
> > > 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
> > >
> > > > It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
> > > > believe me.
> > >
> > > At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to
> > > show flashes of
his
> > > form. Right now he has nothing. You may be right, but
> > > I kind of
doubt
> > > it...
> > >
> > > Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear
> > > end of the
99-strong
> > > peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the stage was
> > > only half the
length
> > of
> > > yesterday's stage and that's really not where he
> > > should have been at
any
> > > rate... he should have been mid-pack with teammates
> > > Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
> > >
> > Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he
> > even shows up for
the
> > Tour. Setting aside the psychological aspects of coming
> > back after such
a
> > crash, the deep, soft tissue injuries in his pelvic area
> > will take a
while
> > longer to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or
> > maybe at the
Vuelta
> > this year.
>
> I think we're talking about different riders, unless
> Botero had a crash I
didn't
> know about.
>
> -Sonarrat.
I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders some days.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.fishn..> wrote in message
news:10apvq692as1k4a@corp.supernews.com...
> "B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message news:8K-
> 6rc.16249$zO3.13087@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
> > news:BCD24168.3554%mynick@nospam.hotmail...
> > > in article Qz5rc.23063$KE6.10055@newsread3.news.atl.e-
> > > arthlink.net, B. Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on
> > > 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
> > >
> > > > It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't
> > > > believe me.
> > >
> > > At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to
> > > show flashes of
his
> > > form. Right now he has nothing. You may be right, but
> > > I kind of
doubt
> > > it...
> > >
> > > Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear
> > > end of the
99-strong
> > > peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the stage was
> > > only half the
length
> > of
> > > yesterday's stage and that's really not where he
> > > should have been at
any
> > > rate... he should have been mid-pack with teammates
> > > Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
> > >
> > Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he
> > even shows up for
the
> > Tour. Setting aside the psychological aspects of coming
> > back after such
a
> > crash, the deep, soft tissue injuries in his pelvic area
> > will take a
while
> > longer to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or
> > maybe at the
Vuelta
> > this year.
>
> I think we're talking about different riders, unless
> Botero had a crash I
didn't
> know about.
>
> -Sonarrat.
in article 8_8rc.23215$KE6.13596@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, B.
Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on 5/20/04 1:58 PM:
> I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders
> some days.
No one's perfect... I make countless mistakes, and I have
yet to reach my 21st birthday. If we just correct each other
without getting competitive about it, then we all benefit...
-Sonarrat.
"Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message
news:BCD28152.3571%mynick@nospam.hotmail...
> in article
> 8_8rc.23215$KE6.13596@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, B.
> Lafferty at Magni@Italia.com wrote on 5/20/04 1:58 PM:
>
> > I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders
> > some days.
>
> No one's perfect... I make countless mistakes, and I have
> yet to reach my 21st birthday. If we just correct each
> other without getting competitive about it, then we all
> benefit...
>
> -Sonarrat.
Indeed. At least it was another Spanish name beginning with
the letter B.
I do hope Beloki can come back but having fractured my
pelvis in a cycling fall, I know how long and difficult the
healing process is for deep soft tissue. Five years on, I
still get a twinge now and again, particularly when
climbing. He does have relative youth on his side, but it's
a long road back. Coppi also fractured his pelvis. Can
someone, Benjo?, elaborate on Coppi's recovery timeline?
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.fishn..> wrote in message
news:10apvq692as1k4a@corp.supernews.com...
>
> I think we're talking about different riders, unless
> Botero had a crash I
didn't
> know about.
It was Lafferty who had the crash we don't know about....
Sonarrat wrote:
> Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares
> in researching for another thread. Last year, he had no
> significant results until early June at the Volta a
> Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and
> then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is
> pretty much how he has been throughout his career,
> starting to show glimmers in June in time for July,
> leaving enough energy left for September... so his season
> has traditionally followed a similar arch to Botero's.
>
> The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the
> Vuelta last year.
>
> -Sonarrat.
>
>
With the major difference that Botero is/was supposed to
be challenging for GC, while Heras was a climbing
domestique till The Vuelta, wg=hen he was expected/allowed
to rider for GC.
Faster Bordello <Fast@Bordello.com> wrote in message news:<c8juvr$r55$1@terabinaries.xmission.com>...
> With the major difference that Botero is/was supposed to
> be challenging for GC, while Heras was a climbing
> domestique till The Vuelta, when he was expected/allowed
> to rider for GC.
Also true. He wore number 21 as designated team leader in
the TdF... that's not going to happen again, I don't think.
But I hope that he at least manages to win a time trial, or
at the very least, take a good road stage like Simoni did
last year... I'm criticizing him quite a lot, with good
reason, but I really want to see him do justice to his
ability and his history.
-Sonarrat.
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