Cannondale vs Lemond

[Arne Morken]

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

[Bob In Ct]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 17:27:37 +0200, Arne Morken
<arne.morken@mindmatters.no> wrote:

> Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
> Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
> CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
> accessories, as far as I can understand.
>
> Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?
>
> Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no
>
>

I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the bike
is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on there
-- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and that's
about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't
fit me as well as the LeMond does.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

[Randy Walton]

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet.
However, I did not understand the comment regarding the
knees behind the pedal axles. What does that mean exactly?

>
> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
> have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
> axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the
> bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on
> there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and
> that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either).
> However, I think whichever fits better is better. My Trek
> simply didn't fit me as well as the LeMond does.
>
> --
> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

[Charles Berista]

I had a caad 5 road bike and recently upgraded to a caad6.
Both bikes are just great. But you can't go wrong with
either lemond or cannondale.

charlie

[Tom Kunich]

"Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> Tourmalet. However, I
did
> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
> pedal axles.
What
> does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back
position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for that
sort of position and have a more upright seat tube and more
forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

[Baird Webel]

On 5/21/04 11:27 AM, in article 40ae213c@news.broadpark.no, "Arne Morken"
<arne.morken@mindmatters.no> wrote:

> Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
> Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
> CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
> accessories, as far as I can understand.
>
> Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

No question at all, get the one that fits you better.

Baird

[Jay Hill]

Randy Walton wrote:
> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> Tourmalet. However, I did not understand the comment
> regarding the knees behind the pedal axles. What does that
> mean exactly?
>
Your butt is further back.

[Andres Muro]

"Arne Morken" <arne.morken@mindmatters.no> wrote in message news:<40ae213c@news.broadpark.no>...
> Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
> Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
> CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
> accessories, as far as I can understand.
>
> Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?
>
> Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides
better. See if the shop will let you take them for a ride in
full garb for at least an hour. Go up a hill, down the hill,
sprint, smash, spin, etc.

Andres

[Randy Walton]

Understood. That makes sense.

"Jay Hill" <jshill@stic.net> wrote in message
news:40af35cb$0$15834$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
> Randy Walton wrote:
> > I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> > Tourmalet. However, I
did
> > not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
> > the pedal axles.
What
> > does that mean exactly?
> >
> Your butt is further back.

[Michael]

"andres muro" <andresmuro@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b2d4101f.0405220355.2ac3090d@posting.google.com...
> "Arne Morken" <arne.morken@mindmatters.no> wrote in
> message news:<40ae213c@news.broadpark.no>...
> > Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
> > Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
> > CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite
> > similar accessories, as far as I can understand.
> >
> > Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?
> >
> > Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no
>
> Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides
> better. See if the shop will let you take them for a ride
> in full garb for at least an hour. Go up a hill, down the
> hill, sprint, smash, spin, etc.
>
> Andres

Yeah, some bike shops will let you and some bike shops
won't. Call around to find a local bike store (LBS) that
will let you. You will also want to be fitted to the bike to
some extent before riding.

Mike

[Arne Morken]

I went for the Lemond. Both bikes seemed to fit nicely, but the staff in the
"Lemond-shop" was much more friendly and service-minded. Also it's a smaller
shop, so I get the "welcome home" feeling every time I drop in there :)

Had a 2 hour ride today and it was just great! :)

Thank you for your answers!

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

"Arne Morken" <arne.morken@mindmatters.no> skrev i melding
news:40ae213c@news.broadpark.no...
> Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
> Lemond Reno with
6066
> frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have
> carbon forks and have quite similar accessories, as far as
> I can understand.
>
> Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?
>
> Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

[Nobodyman]

>> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
>> have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
>> axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the
>> bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on
>> there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and
>> that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either).
>> However, I think whichever fits better is better. My Trek
>> simply didn't fit me as well as the LeMond does.
>>
>> --
>> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your complaint
about the handlebars/stem and the seat have nothing to do
with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond over
the Trek (framewise)?

[Bob In Ct]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:11:10 -0400, NobodyMan <none@none.net> wrote:

>
>>> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The
>>> LeMonds have a structure I like, which is knees behind
>>> the pedal axles and a long top tube. What I don't like
>>> about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't
>>> stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't
>>> go there) and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the
>>> saddle, either). However, I think whichever fits better
>>> is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as well as the
>>> LeMond does.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply
>
> Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your
> complaint about the handlebars/stem and the seat have
> nothing to do with the FRAME!
>
> So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond
> over the Trek (framewise)?
>

I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek.
The LeMond is steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I
rode them over the same roads and could not tell a
difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond comes
with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even
find, for that matter).

Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're
going to run into the handlebar problem. For instance, I
wanted a longer stem and it was harder to find one that fit
the dang handlebar.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

[Bob In Ct]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
>> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
>> Tourmalet. However, I
> did
>> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
>> pedal axles.
> What
>> does that mean exactly?
>
> Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
> back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for
> that sort of position and have a more upright seat tube
> and more forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.
>
> You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
>
>

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a
set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT where
I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I
started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on
the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

[Bob In Ct]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
>> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
>> Tourmalet. However, I
> did
>> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
>> pedal axles.
> What
>> does that mean exactly?
>
> Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
> back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for
> that sort of position and have a more upright seat tube
> and more forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.
>
> You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
>
>

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a
set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT where
I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I
started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on
the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

[Richard Adams]

Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<opr8iah8zk6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>...
> On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > message news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
> >> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> >> Tourmalet. However, I
> did
> >> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
> >> the pedal axles.
> What
> >> does that mean exactly?
> >
> > Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
> > back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough
> > for that sort of position and have a more upright seat
> > tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter
> > top tube.
> >
> > You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
> >
> >
>
> No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
> knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with
> a set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
> possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
> you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
> used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
> biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT
> where I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek.
> Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting
> hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the
> pain instantly disappeared.
>
> It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
> surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
where his femur is proportionally longer than that of most
people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the design
of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related to what
you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

[Tom Kunich]

"Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:opr8iah8zk6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
> On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
> knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with
> a set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
> possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle.

What does the knee-pedal axle relationship have to do
with anything?

In the 80's they were coming up with all sorts of
relationships that weren't real and this is just another one
of them. If you raised your seat slightly, on the Trek,
you'd have gotten away from the knee problem in all
probability.

Reminds me of the "Fit Kit" that a friend paid for that
informed him that he could use a stem from 105 mm to 135 mm.
My, wasn't that helpful?

[Nobodyman]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:27:02 GMT, Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:11:10 -0400, NobodyMan
><none@none.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The
>>>> LeMonds have a structure I like, which is knees behind
>>>> the pedal axles and a long top tube. What I don't like
>>>> about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't
>>>> stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light
>>>> can't go there) and that's about it (oh, I didn't like
>>>> the saddle, either). However, I think whichever fits
>>>> better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as well
>>>> as the LeMond does.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply
>>
>> Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your
>> complaint about the handlebars/stem and the seat have
>> nothing to do with the FRAME!
>>
>> So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond
>> over the Trek (framewise)?
>>
>
>I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek.
>The LeMond is steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I
>rode them over the same roads and could not tell a
>difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond comes
>with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even
>find, for that matter).
>
>Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're
>going to run into the handlebar problem. For instance, I
>wanted a longer stem and it was harder to find one that fit
>the dang handlebar.

Which has nothing to do with the frame. The frame does not
include the bars you wanted. It does not include the stem to
hold those bars. It is just the "frame" to which you attach
the stem and then the bars!!!!!

[Randy Walton]

According to their website propaganda they researched the
technology based on his experience and determined that other
riders also benefited equally from the improved position.

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c2352af0.0405241407.5fc2c90c@posting.google.com...
> Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<opr8iah8zk6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>...
> > On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
> > <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > "Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > > message news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
> > >> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> > >> Tourmalet.
However, I
> > did
> > >> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
> > >> the pedal
axles.
> > What
> > >> does that mean exactly?
> > >
> > > Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a
> > > laid back position.
A
> > > lot of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of
> > > position and have a more upright seat tube and more
> > > forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.
> > >
> > > You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to
> > have knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek,
> > even with a set-back seatpost and
the
> > seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN
> > FRONT of the pedal axle. When you're only biking 10-20
> > miles over flat terrain, like I
used
> > to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
> > biking 50-60
miles
> > over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it
> > means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I started
> > hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on the
> > Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
> > disappeared.
> >
> > It's the difference between not riding at all and/or
> > knee surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.
>
>
> A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
> times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
> where his femur is proportionally longer than that of most
> people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the design
> of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related to what
> you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
> positioning the saddle.

[Bob In Ct]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:18:49 GMT, Randy Walton <randywalton@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> According to their website propaganda they researched the
> technology based on his experience and determined that
> other riders also benefited equally from the improved
> position.
>
>
> "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:c2352af0.0405241407.5fc2c90c@posting.google.com...
>> Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:<opr8iah8zk6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>...
>> > On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
>> > <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Randy Walton" <randywalton@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > > message news:l4xrc.19768$zw.12556@attbi_s01...
>> > >> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
>> > >> Tourmalet.
> However, I
>> > did
>> > >> not understand the comment regarding the knees
>> > >> behind the pedal
> axles.
>> > What
>> > >> does that mean exactly?
>> > >
>> > > Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a
>> > > laid back
>> position.
> A
>> > > lot of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of
>> > > position and have
>> a
>> > > more upright seat tube and more forward position
>> > > spawned by the shorter
>> top
>> > > tube.
>> > >
>> > > You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to
>> > have knee pain
>> and
>> > the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back
>> > seatpost and
> the
>> > seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN
>> > FRONT of the
>> pedal
>> > axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat
>> > terrain, like I
> used
>> > to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
>> > biking 50-60
> miles
>> > over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now,
>> > it means that I
>> no
>> > longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40
>> > miles, my knees starting hurting my on the Trek. I
>> > switched to the LeMond, and the
>> pain
>> > instantly disappeared.
>> >
>> > It's the difference between not riding at all and/or
>> > knee surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.
>>
>>
>> A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
>> times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
>> where his femur is proportionally longer than that of
>> most people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the
>> design of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related
>> to what you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
>> positioning the saddle.
>
>

It is my problem -- my femur is longer than "normal." I also
have shorter legs and a longer upper body. For instance, the
person from which I bought the bike was the same height as
me, so he set it up initially. I had to lower the seat, push
the seat all the way back, and buy a longer stem.

However, I did ride my Trek for quite a while. Initially, I
had an extender put on it (it was a device the went between
the seat post and the saddle rails and gave me quite a bit
of setback). After some years, I ditched that for some
reason (new seat post?), but I got injured in an unrelated
sport and didn't ride for a while. Then, I moved to CT and
got back into riding. I bought another setback seatpost, but
the longer my rides became, the worse the pain became. I
switched to the Lemond and there was no pain (even riding
the Lemond in the parking lot of the store).

I think for racing bikes, fit is pretty much everything.

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