Tom Keunich
>From: Tom Kunich (cyclintom@yahoo.com)
>Subject: Re: Lift Up The Rock....
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>Date: 2004-05-06 15:16:22 PST
>
>"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in
>message news:YOURhoward-
>3AD0AE.23010205052004@netnews.comcast.net...
>>
>> <http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040504-
>> secdef1423.html>
>>
>> Don Rumsfeld: "I think that -- I'm not a lawyer. My
>> impression is
that what
>> has been charged thus far is abuse, which I believe
>> technically is different from torture." (interruption) "I
>> don't know if it is
correct to
>> say what you just said, that torture has taken place,
>> or that
there's been
>> a conviction for torture. And therefore I'm not going to
>> address
the
>> torture word."
>>
>>
>Right Howard, slowly torturing someone's 5 year old to
>death in front
of
>them isn't torture, but taking pictures of them in
>insulting poses
is.
Tom Kunich knows everything.
the excerpt below is pasted in from the following article:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/index.cfm/i/061004b_iraq
CA Guardsman alleges detainee abuse in Iraq Published on
Thursday, June 10, 2004
A California National Guardsman says three fellow soldiers
brazenly abused detainees during interrogation sessions in
an Iraqi police station, threatening them with guns,
sticking lit cigarettes in their ears and choking them until
they collapsed.
Sgt. Greg Ford said he repeatedly had to revive prisoners
who had passed out, and once saw a soldier stand on the back
of a handcuffed detainee's neck and pull his arms until they
popped out of their sockets.
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>Subject: Re: Lift Up The Rock....
>View: Complete Thread (222 articles)
>Original Format
>Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
>Date: 2004-05-06 15:16:22 PST
>
>"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in
>message news:YOURhoward-
>3AD0AE.23010205052004@netnews.comcast.net...
>>
>> <http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040504-
>> secdef1423.html>
>>
>> Don Rumsfeld: "I think that -- I'm not a lawyer. My
>> impression is
that what
>> has been charged thus far is abuse, which I believe
>> technically is different from torture." (interruption) "I
>> don't know if it is
correct to
>> say what you just said, that torture has taken place,
>> or that
there's been
>> a conviction for torture. And therefore I'm not going to
>> address
the
>> torture word."
>>
>>
>Right Howard, slowly torturing someone's 5 year old to
>death in front
of
>them isn't torture, but taking pictures of them in
>insulting poses
is.
Tom Kunich knows everything.
the excerpt below is pasted in from the following article:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/index.cfm/i/061004b_iraq
CA Guardsman alleges detainee abuse in Iraq Published on
Thursday, June 10, 2004
A California National Guardsman says three fellow soldiers
brazenly abused detainees during interrogation sessions in
an Iraqi police station, threatening them with guns,
sticking lit cigarettes in their ears and choking them until
they collapsed.
Sgt. Greg Ford said he repeatedly had to revive prisoners
who had passed out, and once saw a soldier stand on the back
of a handcuffed detainee's neck and pull his arms until they
popped out of their sockets.
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