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From Dutch cycling monthly Wielerrevue (TdF special June
2004), podium and jersey predictions by a few "experts".
LA JU IM TH DM IB RH GS Green Polka
Former pros Jelle Nijdam 1 2 3 RM IM
Gerrie Knetemann 2 1 3 TB RV Maarten
Ducrot 1 3 2 AP RV Danny Nelissen 1 2 3
RM JM Jacques Hanegraaf 3 1 2 BC IM
Peter Winnen 2 3 1 RM CS Reporters
Michel Wuyts 1 3 2 BC RV Jacques Chapel
1 2 3 RM IM Marije Randwijk 3 1 2 BC GS
Bert Wagendorp 2 1 3 RM IM
You guess who they named.
On 06/11/2004 12:53 PM, in article
nqtjc05k9p6ns3isfhapuasiqd56g5lmad@4ax.com, "Ewoud Dronkert"
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
> From Dutch cycling monthly Wielerrevue (TdF special June
> 2004), podium and jersey predictions by a few "experts".
>
> LA JU IM TH DM IB RH GS Green Polka
> Former pros Jelle Nijdam 1 2 3 RM IM
> Gerrie Knetemann 2 1 3 TB RV Maarten
> Ducrot 1 3 2 AP RV Danny Nelissen 1 2 3
> RM JM Jacques Hanegraaf 3 1 2 BC IM
> Peter Winnen 2 3 1 RM CS Reporters
> Michel Wuyts 1 3 2 BC RV Jacques Chapel
> 1 2 3 RM IM Marije Randwijk 3 1 2 BC GS
> Bert Wagendorp 2 1 3 RM IM
>
> You guess who they named.
Yellow
LA = Lance Armstrong JU = Jan Ullrich IM = Iban Mayo TH =
Tyler Hamilton DM = David Moncoutié (?) ... Definitely not
David Miller IB = Ivan Basso RH = Roberto Heras GS =
Gilberto Simoni
Green
RM = Robbie McEwen TB = Tom Boonen AP = Alessando Petacchi
BC = Badon Cooke
Polka Dot
IM = Iban Mayo RV = Richard Virenque JM = CS = GS =
Gilberto Simoni
--
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote in message
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>
> IM = Iban Mayo RV = Richard Virenque JM = CS = GS =
> Gilberto Simoni
>
Juan Miguel Mercado and Carlos Sastre?
Jeff
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> schreef in bericht
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> From Dutch cycling monthly Wielerrevue (TdF special June
> 2004), podium and jersey predictions by a few "experts".
>
> LA JU IM TH DM IB RH GS Green Polka
> Former pros Jelle Nijdam 1 2 3 RM IM
> Gerrie Knetemann 2 1 3 TB RV Maarten
> Ducrot 1 3 2 AP RV Danny Nelissen 1 2
> 3 RM JM Jacques Hanegraaf 3 1 2 BC IM
> Peter Winnen 2 3 1 RM CS Reporters
> Michel Wuyts 1 3 2 BC RV Jacques
> Chapel 1 2 3 RM IM Marije Randwijk 3 1
> 2 BC GS Bert Wagendorp 2 1 3 RM IM
I remember a small survey of L'Equipe on the eve of the
final TT in the Tour of '89.All the experts (about 20 or 25)
predicted Laurent Fignon would win the Tour, with one
exception: Jan Raas who voted for Lemond. Since then I don't
believe experts anymore (expect Jan Raas of course).
Benjo Maso
Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>
> DM = David Moncoutié (?) ... Definitely not David Miller
Those DM won't make the podium. Ducrot must refer to a
former Ventoux winner. But he won't make the podium either,
not this year. May have the strength for a top-5 and will be
given more freedom than the big guns, but still lacks
tactically to really benefit from that.
Jenko
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> schreef in bericht
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>
> "Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> schreef in bericht
> news:nqtjc05k9p6ns3isfhapuasiqd56g5lmad@4ax.com...
> > From Dutch cycling monthly Wielerrevue (TdF special June
> > 2004), podium and jersey predictions by a few "experts".
> >
> > LA JU IM TH DM IB RH GS Green Polka
> > Former pros Jelle Nijdam 1 2 3 RM IM
> > Gerrie Knetemann 2 1 3 TB RV Maarten
> > Ducrot 1 3 2 AP RV Danny Nelissen 1
> > 2 3 RM JM Jacques Hanegraaf 3 1 2 BC
> > IM Peter Winnen 2 3 1 RM CS
> > Reporters Michel Wuyts 1 3 2 BC RV
> > Jacques Chapel 1 2 3 RM IM Marije
> > Randwijk 3 1 2 BC GS Bert Wagendorp
> > 2 1 3 RM IM
>
>
> I remember a small survey of L'Equipe on the eve of the
> final TT in the
Tour
> of '89.All the experts (about 20 or 25) predicted Laurent
> Fignon would win the Tour, with one exception: Jan Raas
> who voted for Lemond. Since then I don't believe experts
> anymore (expect Jan Raas of course).
Peter Winnen doesn't really want to be believed; he prefers
to produce fiction. Jacques Chapel and Danny Nelissen both
try to be the Pim Fortuyn among sports commentators: 'I am
going/any which way the wind may be blowing' and Michel
Wuyts doesn't have an opinion, just his calculator and some
accumulated Flemish cycling knowledge. Gerrie Knetemann
just rolls
dice. Still I'm surprised that so few predict Petacchi for
the green jersey. Fassa Bortolo can and will pull him
through the tough stages. What else can they do?
Jonathan.
"Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <nospam@nospam.nl> schreef in bericht
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(snip)
> Peter Winnen doesn't really want to be believed; he
> prefers to produce fiction.
It's interesting that Peter Winnen, the only climber among
the experts, is the only one who is tipping the climber Iban
Mayo as a Tdf winner, confirming the principle that people
are usually attaching great importance to what they are good
in themselves.
Jacques Chapel and Danny Nelissen both try to be the
Pim Fortuyn
> among sports commentators: 'I am going/any which way the
> wind may be blowing'
I never heard them. Eurosport?
and Michel Wuyts doesn't have an opinion, just his
calculator and
> some accumulated Flemish cycling knowledge.
Flemish cycling knowlegde shouldn't be unterestimated.
Besides Michel Wuyts wrote quite a nice book last year.
Benjo Maso
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:59:27 +0200, benjo maso wrote:
>>Jacques Chapel and Danny Nelissen
>
>I never heard them. Eurosport?
Chapel from Langs de Lijn and Radio Tour, Nelissen on
Eurosport, yes. http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-
bin/streams?/nos/tour2003/etappes/et_04_vooruitblik.rm http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-
bin/streams?/nos/tour2003/etappes/et_04_terugblik.rm
Eurosport's audio/video links unfortunately don't seem to
work for now. There should be a few words from Nelissen on
Pantani here: http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S18-
/playermultimedia_Lng0_Rub31_Spo18_Ven5227.shtml linked as a
popup window from http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0-
/S18/multimedia_Lng0_Spo18.shtml
Jenko wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> >
>
>> DM = David Moncoutié (?) ... Definitely not David Miller
>
>
> Those DM won't make the podium. Ducrot must refer to a
> former Ventoux winner. But he won't make the podium
> either, not this year. May have the strength for a top-5
> and will be given more freedom than the big guns, but
> still lacks tactically to really benefit from that.
I'll bet money they are thinking of Denis Menchov.
-Sonarrat.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Jeff Jones wrote:
>
>>"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>>JM = CS =
>>
>>Juan Miguel Mercado and Carlos Sastre?
>
>
> Check. For the podium, DM was Dennis Menchov, not
> Moncoutié or Millar.
I should read all the posts in any given thread before doing
research to clarify stuff...
-Sonarrat.
Sorry, couldn't resist. RBR is the real authority,
after all. ;)
As much as I like Aitor Gonzalez, I have to leave him off my
short list for now. He just doesn't seem to be in great
shape at the moment. Santiago Botero doesn't seem to be in
form either, as he fell off of the TdS breakaway today.
1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-Mobile)
3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey - Michele
Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
Team classificiation - US Postal
Sonarrat wrote:
>
> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-Mobile)
> 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>
> Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
> Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey - Michele
> Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>
> Team classificiation - US Postal
Candyass.
Robert Chung wrote:
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
>>1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-Mobile)
>>3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>>
>>Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
>>Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey - Michele
>>Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>>
>>Team classificiation - US Postal
>
>
> Candyass.
In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
I do see a mistake in putting Rogers in 3rd and a different
rider in the white jersey... it would have to be Rogers
given this result...
-Sonarrat.
Hmmm.
1. Jan Ullrich
2. Tyler Hamilton
3. Iban Mayo (*)
4. Lance Armstrong
KOM: Heras Green: O'Grady
To add the required candyass component, I'd have to say I
can't pick a young rider and the asterisk on Mayo is
probably going to be a dope control.
Sonarrat wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>
>>> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-
>>> Mobile) 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>>>
>>> Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
>>> Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey -
>>> Michele Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>>>
>>> Team classificiation - US Postal
>>
>>
>> Candyass.
>
> In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7fpuum%24tjm%241%40netnew-
s.upenn.edu
"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>Sonarrat wrote:
>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>
>>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-
>>>> Mobile) 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>>>>
>>>> Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
>>>> Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey -
>>>> Michele Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>>>>
>>>> Team classificiation - US Postal
>>>
>>>
>>> Candyass.
>>
>> In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7fpuum%24tjm%241%40netne-
>ws.upenn.edu
That's all total stupid bull****, and whoever believes in it
is the ultimate gullible stupid. Proof: if you pick 1st, 2nd
and 3rd horse of a race in the right order you win much more
than if you pick only the winner. This obviously means that
the first kind of prono is more difficult and hazardous than
the single pick. Andrew Albright can shine my car.
On 06/13/2004 07:20 AM, in article 40cd5400.98475682@news.individual.de,
"Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-
>>>>> Mobile) 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>>>>>
>>>>> Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
>>>>> Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey -
>>>>> Michele Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>>>>>
>>>>> Team classificiation - US Postal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Candyass.
>>>
>>> In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
>>
>> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7fpuum%24tjm%241%40net-
>> news.upenn.edu
>
> That's all total stupid bull****, and whoever believes in
> it is the ultimate gullible stupid. Proof: if you pick
> 1st, 2nd and 3rd horse of a race in the right order you
> win much more than if you pick only the winner. This
> obviously means that the first kind of prono is more
> difficult and hazardous than the single pick. Andrew
> Albright can shine my car.
But if you pick them in the wrong order you get nothing when
there is money on the line.
But in here, when someone picks the podium, and they're
close but not spot on, then the whinging begins ... "but I
was close, now wasn't I?"
--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
Current odds from BetFair:
Armstrong 1.28/1 Ullrich 2.6/1 Hamilton 7.8/1 Mayo 8/1
"Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
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> "Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >Sonarrat wrote:
> >> Robert Chung wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sonarrat wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-
> >>>> Mobile) 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
> >>>>
> >>>> Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
> >>>> Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey -
> >>>> Michele Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
> >>>>
> >>>> Team classificiation - US Postal
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Candyass.
> >>
> >> In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
> >
> >http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7fpuum%24tjm%241%40net-
> >news.upenn.edu
>
> That's all total stupid bull****, and whoever believes in
> it is the ultimate gullible stupid. Proof: if you pick
> 1st, 2nd and 3rd horse of a race in the right order you
> win much more than if you pick only the winner. This
> obviously means that the first kind of prono is more
> difficult and hazardous than the single pick. Andrew
> Albright can shine my car.
Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 06/13/2004 07:20 AM, in article
> 40cd5400.98475682@news.individual.de, "Davide Tosi"
> <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote:
>
>
>>"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sonarrat wrote:
>>>
>>>>Robert Chung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sonarrat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS) 2nd - Jan Ullrich (T-
>>>>>>Mobile) 3rd - Michael Rogers (Quick.Step-Davitamon)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Polka dots - Erik Dekker (Rabobank) Green jersey -
>>>>>>Alessandro Petacchi (Fassa Bortolo) White jersey -
>>>>>>Michele Scarponi (Domina Vacanze)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Team classificiation - US Postal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Candyass.
>>>>
>>>>In what way? Didn't I only pick one for each position?
>>>
>>>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7fpuum%24tjm%241%40net-
>>>news.upenn.edu
>>
>>That's all total stupid bull****, and whoever believes in
>>it is the ultimate gullible stupid. Proof: if you pick
>>1st, 2nd and 3rd horse of a race in the right order you
>>win much more than if you pick only the winner. This
>>obviously means that the first kind of prono is more
>>difficult and hazardous than the single pick. Andrew
>>Albright can shine my car.
>
>
>
>
> But if you pick them in the wrong order you get nothing
> when there is money on the line.
>
> But in here, when someone picks the podium, and they're
> close but not spot on, then the whinging begins ... "but I
> was close, now wasn't I?"
As if there was actually anything on the line...
I believe in any case that Iban Mayo will win. He's a
thrilling rider who doesn't hold back all season for the
sake of Le Grand Boucle - he just goes for it whenever he
feels like it.
I also look forward to being pleasantly, or even
unpleasantly, surprised.
-Sonarrat.
Sonarrat wrote:
>>>>>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1st - Lance Armstrong (USPS)
> I believe in any case that Iban Mayo will win.
Candyass.
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