Kunich Knows All

[Tom Keunich]

From: Tom Kunich (cyclintom@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Lift Up The Rock....
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Date: 2004-05-01 14:01:54 PST
>
> The California power shortage was caused NOT by power
> provider collusion but because the state demanded that
> power providers SHUT DOWN their facilities for preventive
> maintenance despite the fact that the generating companies
> wanted to keep the facilities in operation during the
> hottest (and most profitable) time of the year and then do
> the delayed PM after the summer heat peak. This was
> absolutely denied by California officials and the
> generation plants had it in writing.

As always, Tom Kunich is right on the money.

The excerpt below is taken from the article at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3770757.stm

Enron 'cashed in on power crisis'

CBS says Enron attempted to stop the release of the tapes
Collapsed energy trader Enron is at the centre of
allegations that it tried to manipulate electricity prices
during California's energy crisis. CBS News has aired tapes
of Enron employees apparently discussing plans to shut down
power plants as blackouts pushed local energy prices higher.

California was hit by a series of power cuts in 2000-2001
following the deregulation the energy industry.

CBS says the tapes are of workers from Enron's West Coast
trading desk.

During one recording, an Enron employee is heard saying:
"If you took down the steamer, how long would it take to
get it back up?"

A second Enron worker says: "Oh, it' s not something you
want to just be turning on and off every hour. Let's put it
that way."

The first employee replies: "Well, why don't you just go
ahead and shut her down?"

CBS said the tapes were obtained from the US Justice
Department by officials from the Snohomish Public Utility
District, close to Seattle.

The utility is currently trying to retrieve money from
Enron, which filed for bankruptcy in 2001 after revealing it
had been inflating its profits.

In another section of the tapes, an Enron employee says:
"They're taking all the money back from you guys? All the
money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in
California?"

"Now she wants her money back for all the power you've
charged right up, jammed right up her **** for $250 a
megawatt hour."

The tapes also reveal Enron workers discussing Mr Lay's
prospects under a Bush administration

"I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," one
worker says.

CBS said the Justice Department and Enron had both tried to
prevent the release of these tapes.

[Tom Kunich]

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply that
there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept. not
wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be because they
were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a megawatt
hour was cheap as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
skin flute Howard.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <yYQyc.11806$uX2.6785@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
> CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
> that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
> not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
> because they were being taken out of context, could it?
>
> And here all this time I always thought that $250 a
> megawatt hour was cheap as hell.
>
> I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
> skin flute Howard.
>
>

you are replying to is not Howard - at least not this
Howard. And by the way, it is interesting how fast you seem
to revert to elementary school

later, as I have places to go now.

--
tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Howard Kveck]

In article <yYQyc.11806$uX2.6785@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
> CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
> that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
> not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
> because they were being taken out of context, could it?
>
> And here all this time I always thought that $250 a
> megawatt hour was cheap as hell.
>
> I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
> skin flute Howard.

I want you to get this straight, and get it straight
*now*, ****heel. When I choose to mock one of your
delusional ideas of reality, I will do it the same way I
always have: with *** MY *** name right up there at the
top. Get it? Got it? Good.

Moving on, I do have to say that both the items
brought up by the OP are good calls. Let's start with
this one, shall we?

Apparently "allegations by CBS" are bad. Too bad these
aren't exactly allegations. "Taken out of context",
indeed. It has been known for ages that the energy
companies gamed the system to gouge California. Why?
Because those quotes are but a drop in the bucket from
the taped conversations among energy traders. Several of
them have been cooperating with investigators. There are
acres of internal memos and documents that show what
Dynegy, Reliant, Duke, Williams etc. were up to. In late
April, Dynegy settled on some of the claims against it.

But no! The great one says it was Gray Davis who caused
all the problems, ordering plants to close down for
maintenance. What planet are you on? You make claims
about there being paperwork that shows he did that, but,
as usual, Sir Cites-A-Not refused to provide any kind of
link to back up his wild-ass ***ALLEGATIONS***. On the
face of it, to even suggest that the governor of a state
would force power generating plants to close down when
there were rolling blackouts going on because of
"shortages" of power is plainly absurd. First, if the
state causes businesses to have to shut down because they
shut off power to them, wouldn't that cause the
businesses to lose money, and, by extension, the state
lose tax revenue? Second, how the hell would causing an
energy crisis benefit the governor of that state?

If none of those energy companies did anything wrong,
then why are FERC commissioners saying they plan to strip
the wholesale trading privileges of Enron, Reliant and a
unit of BP PLC because of their manipulative trading
activities during the energy crisis?

The simple fact is you have a simplistic way of looking
at things: you have an automatic scapegoat for all
situations in those "Liberals" you hate and fear so much.
And you'll twist any situation so you can blame them for
whatever bad thing that goes on. If you paid an
electricity bill during the faux-energy crisis, like the
rest of California did, you got gouged. Now don't you
wnat the people who are to blame for causing that gouging
to be held accountable? Most people would, but not you.
You'd rather rail at your favorite enemies, demanding
that they be brought to justice. And when nothing comes
of that, you'll shake your head and cry that "They got
away with it!" But you'll be secretly pleased that, once
again, you were victimized by the evil "Liberals". More
ammo for Tom!!!!

If you really want to know what's going on, try looking
at some sites other than the World Nut Daily, the
Moonie Times or Free Republic. How can you claim to
have any kind of perspective if you're not even
registered with the WaPo?

--
tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Tim Mullin]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:yYQyc.11806$uX2.6785@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
> CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
> that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
> not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
> because they were being taken out of context, could it?

the following be okay?

From the 06/02/04 broadcast:

"Another taped exchange between different employees
regarding a possible newspaper interview goes like this:

Employee 3: "This guy from the Wall Street Journal calls me
up a little bit ago."

Employee 4: "I wouldn't do it, because first of all
you'd have to tell 'em a lot of lies because if you told
the truth."

Employee 3: "I'd get in trouble."

Employee 4: "You'd get in trouble."

Eventually, the lies unraveled and traders scrambled.

"I'm just -- f--k -- I'm just trying to be an honest camper
so I only go to jail once," says one employee."

Or how about this, from 06/08/04?

"Elsewhere on the tapes, another employee says, "This is
where California breaks."

"Yeah, it sure does man," says another.

And they proposed to do that by exporting energy out of the
state so the company could drive up prices even more.

"What we need to do is to help in the cause of, ah, downfall
of California," an employee is heard saying on the tapes.
"You guys need to pull your megawatts out of California on a
daily basis."

"They're on the ropes today," says another employee. "I
exported like a f------g 400 megs."

"Wow,'' says another employee, "f--k 'em, right!"

And later in the same report:

"They also used the oldest trick in the book: lies.

"It's called lies. It's all how well you can weave
these lies together, Shari, alright, so," an employee
is heard saying.

The other employee says, "I feel like I'm being
corrupted now."

The first employee adds, "No, this is marketing,"

"OK.'"

Bush's DoJ want the tapes released? Gee, it couldn't be
because Lay served on Cheney's energy task force (the
details of which Cheney is in court, fighting to keep secret
from congress), and was W's single largest political
contruibuor, could it?