lance armstrong and distance running
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as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist) if
lance could have been a world class distance runner. it is
my opinion that his engine and with his training ethic that
lance could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe even
lower. i would be interested in hearing what others in this
group think.
On 2004-06-10, dwjones45 <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if
> he had stuck with running(he was a runner before a
> cyclist) if lance could have been a world class distance
> runner. it is my opinion that his engine and with his
> training ethic that lance could have been a sub 2:12
> marathoner and maybe even lower. i would be interested in
> hearing what others in this group think.
Who knows ? Estimates range from 2:30-2:40 to 2:10.
He's got a great "engine" but the "wheels" are an unknown
quantity, as is his capacity to survive high milage running
without injury.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
dwjones45 wrote in message <8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-
hw@giganews.com>...
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
> had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist)
> if lance could have been a world class distance runner. it
> is my opinion that his engine and with his training ethic
> that lance could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe
> even lower. i would
be
>interested in hearing what others in this group think.
>
>
Armstrong was a tri-athlete before a cyclist. He still runs
in the offseason (trail runs). His build, 5'10 160lbs,
(like mine - 5'9 165 when racing fit 175 now) is better
suited to cycling than to competitive running. While one
can lose a certain amount of muscle mass to get lighter,
bone structure can't be changed very much. BTW LA got is
ass kicked today in the killer time trail up mont ventoux
in the Dauphiné Libéré.
Stage 4 - June 10: Bédoin - Le Mont Ventoux ITT, 21.6 km
Results 1 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
55.51.49 (23.202 km/h) 2 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing
Systems .35.26 3 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak
Hearing Systems
55.52.09 4 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick.Step-Davitamon
55.53.44 5 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal presented by
Berry Floor
55.54.89
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>...
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
> had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist)
He was queer before either.
Read all about it in the new Runners World that just came
out. They thought he would make an awesome runner and he has
competed in running events ...and won. the way his body is
engineered he could do either and succeed. I wish I had a
10th of his heart and determination....
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-
hw@giganews.com...
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
> had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist)
> if lance could have been a world class distance runner. it
> is my opinion that his engine and with his training ethic
> that lance could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe
> even lower. i would
be
> interested in hearing what others in this group think.
He used to be a triathlete for a few years and raced
juniors. He beat some of the best racers in his day, one of
them being Nick Radkewich. Nick was a great runner, he was
able to run a 30:30 10K after a 40K bike. I don't know how
good Lance was as a runner.
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-
hw@giganews.com...
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
> had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist)
> if lance could have been a world class distance runner. it
> is my opinion that his engine and with his training ethic
> that lance could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe
> even lower. i would
be
> interested in hearing what others in this group think.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/printer_friendly/0,5046,s6-78-0-0-6573,00.html
i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in today's TT as to why he
did not ride well.
"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:R04yc.5802$wi2.3664@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> dwjones45 wrote in message <8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-
> hw@giganews.com>...
> > as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career
> > even before he
became
> >a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he had stuck with
> >running(he was a runner before a cyclist) if lance could
> >have been a world class distance runner. it is my opinion
> >that his engine and with his training ethic that lance
> >could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe even
> >lower. i would
> be
> >interested in hearing what others in this group think.
> >
> >
> Armstrong was a tri-athlete before a cyclist. He still
> runs in the offseason (trail runs). His build, 5'10
> 160lbs, (like mine - 5'9 165 when racing fit 175 now) is
> better suited to cycling than to competitive
running.
> While one can lose a certain amount of muscle mass to get
> lighter, bone structure can't be changed very much. BTW LA
> got is ass kicked today in
the
> killer time trail up mont ventoux in the Dauphiné Libéré.
>
> Stage 4 - June 10: Bédoin - Le Mont Ventoux ITT, 21.6 km
> Results 1 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
> 55.51.49 (23.202 km/h) 2 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak
> Hearing Systems .35.26 3 Oscar Sevilla (Spa)
> Phonak Hearing Systems
> 1.03.09 4 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick.Step-Davitamon
> 1.48.44 5 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal presented by
> Berry Floor
> 1.57.89
>
"Bug" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<2Ifyc.28573$Oa7.3151@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
> Read all about it in the new Runners World that just came
> out. They thought he would make an awesome runner and he
> has competed in running events ...and won. the way his
> body is engineered he could do either and succeed. I wish
> I had a 10th of his heart and determination....
Yeah but you know with your luck, you'd probably get the 10%
that's gay.
"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote
> Armstrong was a tri-athlete before a cyclist. He still
> runs in the offseason (trail runs). His build, 5'10
> 160lbs, (like mine - 5'9 165 when racing fit 175 now) is
> better suited to cycling than to competitive
running.
> While one can lose a certain amount of muscle mass to get
> lighter, bone structure can't be changed very much. BTW LA
> got is ass kicked today in
the
> killer time trail up mont ventoux in the Dauphiné Libéré.
A high vo2 max doesn't guarantee a fast marathon:
Mine was 76.4, with a bmi of 21.0 (5' 9", 142 lbs) and my
vo2max predicted a
2:15, but I could only do 2:37.
Lance's is 83, with a bmi of 23.0 (15-20 lbs overweight for
an elite runner). If he's biomechanically designed for
running he might be able to go 2:10 (after losing weight),
but if like most of us, he is imperfect, then I'd predict in
the 2:20s, just on power output and guts.
-- Dan
Great article thanks. Armstrong could probably do very well
in the ironman because it requires some of the power of a
time-trial rider to fight the wind on the bike, and a highly
efficient aerobic engine. The article points out that
competitive cyclists need to train in many different ways.
Its the equivalent of a runner training for distances from
sprints all the way up through marathon all at once, and
running a different kind of race every day under
accumulating fatigue for 20 days straight. Run a 6 hour
ultra one day, a fast 10k the next day, followed by a 5 hour
ultra with a 10k at the end of it (mountaintop finish stage
of TDF), and on and on.
Well its not the same at all because cycling is not weight-
bearing. This has always made me wonder if cyclists have better-
trained aerobic engines than runners could ever have.
Cyclists can spend alot more time training than runners
because it doesn't tear up the body in the same way. How
much more? Perhaps 3 times more time? If a top cyclist's
aerobic engine can be trained longer each day, how much
better can it get than a top runner's? Of course for the
reason's stated in the article, extensive cycling won't make
you a faster runner because runners just need the muscles
needed for running, trained specifically for running, and
nothing more. I wonder though if anyone has ever tried in a
serious way to cross-train to maximize their aerobic engine
using the bike as well as running, and using a high cadence
to prevent extensive muscle growth - could it produce a
faster runner than just running training?
Williamsdrew wrote in message ...
>://www.runnersworld.com/article/printer_friendly/0,5046,s6-
>78-0-0-6573,
00.html
In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
> i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
> today's TT as to why he did not ride well.
That sounds like a certain time trial last year at the TDF.
Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
he'd win it.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Th-
en it was every other day. . . ."
- Homer J. Simpson
"Armstrong's coach Chris Carmichael recently called Lance "the master of
psychological warfare" and his less than all-out performance on the Ventoux
, just measured out enough to test himself but not go "au bloc", could fool
his adversaries into thinking that Lance was in trouble. But with forty days
still to go before the Tour De France's crucial l'Alpe d'Huez mountain time
trial, Armstrong must still be considered the overwhelming favourite to
win."
"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:no_one_knows-4B32F3.16341910062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
> "dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
> > today's TT as to why
he
> > did not ride well.
>
>
> That sounds like a certain time trial last year at
> the TDF.
>
> Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
> Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
> he'd win it.
>
> --Harold Buck
>
>
> "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day.
> Then it was every other day. . . ."
> - Homer J. Simpson
Harold Buck wrote in message ...
>In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
>"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
>> today's TT as to why
he
>> did not ride well.
>
>
>That sounds like a certain time trial last year at the TDF.
Yes heat is Armstrong's nemesis, while cold is Ullrich's.
I'll never forget the look of agony on Ullrich's face as
Pantani dropped him in the Alps in 1998 and left him far
behind in a cold driving rain.
>
>Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
>Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
>he'd win it.
I'd like to see that too, though the ironman is very very
different from the TDF. In the TDF armstrong is protected
for most of the race and only has to really "race" in
certain situations. The ironman is a 8 hr + time trial, and
my guess is it would take LA a few years to get fast enough
at running to be competitive.
>
>--Harold Buck
>
>
>"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day.
> Then it was every other day. . . ."
> - Homer J. Simpson
"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:no_one_knows-4B32F3.16341910062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
> "dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
> > today's TT as to why
he
> > did not ride well.
>
>
> That sounds like a certain time trial last year at
> the TDF.
>
> Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
> Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
> he'd win it.
Considering how Steve Larsen did in Lake Placid a few years
back, I think Lance would be a contender. The swim would be
the really hard part for him. How much of his swim technique
does he remember? Or even how good of swimmer was he.
Whatever you do, do not believe much of what comes out of
Carmichael's mouth...
Sometimes it just is not there and if so, someone else
will get you.
All Lance cares about is July and the Tour (and maybe a gold
medal in Athens in the TT).
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote in message news:29ednXlvEPuHQFXdRVn-
gg@giganews.com...
> "Armstrong's coach Chris Carmichael recently called Lance
> "the master of psychological warfare" and his less than
> all-out performance on the
Ventoux
> , just measured out enough to test himself but not go "au
> bloc", could
fool
> his adversaries into thinking that Lance was in trouble.
> But with forty
days
> still to go before the Tour De France's crucial l'Alpe
> d'Huez mountain
time
> trial, Armstrong must still be considered the overwhelming
> favourite to win." "Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@attbi.com>
> wrote in message news:no_one_knows-
> 4B32F3.16341910062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
> > "dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
> > > today's TT as to
why
> he
> > > did not ride well.
> >
> >
> > That sounds like a certain time trial last year at
> > the TDF.
> >
> > Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
> > Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
> > he'd win it.
> >
> > --Harold Buck
> >
> >
> > "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day.
> > Then it was every other day. . . ."
> > - Homer J. Simpson
dwjones45 wrote in message <29ednXlvEPuHQFXdRVn-
gg@giganews.com>...
>"Armstrong's coach Chris Carmichael recently called Lance
>"the master of psychological warfare" and his less than all-
>out performance on the Ventoux , just measured out enough
>to test himself but not go "au bloc", could fool his
>adversaries into thinking that Lance was in trouble. But
>with forty
days
>still to go before the Tour De France's crucial l'Alpe
>d'Huez mountain time trial, Armstrong must still be
>considered the overwhelming favourite to win."
This kind of talk it total bull**** - at this point in the
season a champion won't hold back. The truth is that
Armstrong can't hack the heat. He may have had a bad day for
other reasons, but to suggest that he's doing the Dauphine
as a mere training exercise is bunk - he's won it the last 2
years and its an important step to honing the fitness. Its
well known that LA dosen't go well in the heat, and the
scorching heat last year was why he almost lost the TDF. LA
rides very well when its wet and cold, and most of his tour
wins have been cooler years. Particularly, it was cooler on
the days when he did the most damage. Ullrich, who goes very
well in the heat usually, has a real shot, as do others if
its hot again this year.
th reason he almost lost last year's tour.
>"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@attbi.com> wrote in message news:no_one_knows-
>4B32F3.16341910062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <FMadnaaXDeLiTFXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
>> "dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > i heard read that lance was affected by the heat in
>> > today's TT as to
why
>he
>> > did not ride well.
>>
>>
>> That sounds like a certain time trial last year at
>> the TDF.
>>
>> Anyway, many of us in triathlon are just praying that
>> Lance does IM Hawaii after he hangs up the Tour. I think
>> he'd win it.
>>
>> --Harold Buck
>>
>>
>> "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day.
>> Then it was every other day. . . ."
>> - Homer J. Simpson
In article <bU8yc.1211$Wr.182@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Considering how Steve Larsen did in Lake Placid a few
> years back, I think Lance would be a contender. The swim
> would be the really hard part for him. How much of his
> swim technique does he remember? Or even how good of
> swimmer was he.
He was good, and the swim is nearly irrelevant in ironman
racing. I think he could likely stay within 5-10 minutes of
the leaders, make up that plus 20-25 minutes or more on the
bike, and then hold them off on the run.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Th-
en it was every other day. . . ."
- Homer J. Simpson
I think he repeatedly cheated on his wife. The same woman
who stuck with him through his cancer. Some hero. What was
the question again?
"dwjones45" <dwjones45@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8u6dnalidok9NlXdRVn-hw@giganews.com>...
> as someone who has followed lance armstrong's career even
> before he became a 5 time TDF winner i have wondered if he
> had stuck with running(he was a runner before a cyclist)
> if lance could have been a world class distance runner. it
> is my opinion that his engine and with his training ethic
> that lance could have been a sub 2:12 marathoner and maybe
> even lower. i would be interested in hearing what others
> in this group think.
Impossible to say, but I wonder if he announced he was going
into pro triathlon if there would be some soiled bike shorts
out there!
Phil
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