Followup - huge uptick in cholesterol

[Preston Crawfor]

So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on weight
in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all the time to
268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to 170 since my last
test, which was like a year ago. That's quite an uptick.
That must just be bad diet and exercise. Could that be why
I'm feeling so poor and should I be worried?

Preston

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Preston Crawford wrote:

> So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
> weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all the
> time to 268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to 170 since
> my last test, which was like a year ago. That's quite an
> uptick. That must just be bad diet and exercise.

Ime, the weight gain in susceptible people is enough to
explain it.

> Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
> worried?
>

There is reason for concern. How does the 170 break down in
terms of LDL, HDL, and triglycerides?

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[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-23, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>
>> So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
>> weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all the
>> time to 268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to 170
>> since my last test, which was like a year ago. That's
>> quite an uptick. That must just be bad diet and exercise.
>
> Ime, the weight gain in susceptible people is enough to
> explain it.
>
>> Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
>> worried?
>>
>
> There is reason for concern. How does the 170 break down
> in terms of LDL, HDL, and triglycerides?
>

Why is there reason for concern? Is 170 THAT high? I was
always told when it was 120-130 that I had exceptional
cholesterol. Never average. Now I'm worried.

I haven't found out yet what the breakdown is. The nurse for
my doctor said it looked okay. She said that today on the
phone. That I didn't need to be worried, maybe because of
the breakdown. I don't know. She didn't seem concerned. I'm
concerned, mostly because that's a 40 point jump in one year
and a 19lb. roughly weight gain.

The thing that sucks is I had all the major tests (stress
test, nuclear dye, etc.) just a couple years ago when I was
400+ lbs., before I lost most of my weight and I was
pronounced fine. So it would sure be a drag if now I'm in
trouble. I have no family history and I don't smoke, but I
sure have anxiety over this.

Preston

[Mirek Fidler]

"Preston Crawford" <me@prestoncrawford.com> pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
news:slrncdkn5g.h8b.me@serpentor.cobrala...

> I haven't found out yet what the breakdown is. The nurse
> for my doctor said it looked okay. She said that today on
> the phone. That I didn't
need
> to be worried, maybe because of the breakdown. I don't
> know. She
didn't
> seem concerned. I'm concerned, mostly because that's a 40
> point jump
in
> one year and a 19lb. roughly weight gain.

Find another doctor who will not refuse to share your
medical records with you.

Mirek

[listener]

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:46:48 -0500, Preston Crawford
<me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:

>On 2004-06-23, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
><andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> Preston Crawford wrote:
>>
>>> So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
>>> weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all
>>> the time to 268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to 170
>>> since my last test, which was like a year ago. That's
>>> quite an uptick. That must just be bad diet and
>>> exercise.
>>
>> Ime, the weight gain in susceptible people is enough to
>> explain it.
>>
>>> Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
>>> worried?
>>>
>>
>> There is reason for concern. How does the 170 break down
>> in terms of LDL, HDL, and triglycerides?
>>
>
>Why is there reason for concern? Is 170 THAT high? I was
>always told when it was 120-130 that I had exceptional
>cholesterol. Never average. Now I'm worried.
>
>I haven't found out yet what the breakdown is. The nurse
>for my doctor said it looked okay. She said that today on
>the phone. That I didn't need to be worried, maybe because
>of the breakdown. I don't know. She didn't seem concerned.
>I'm concerned, mostly because that's a 40 point jump in one
>year and a 19lb. roughly weight gain.
>
>The thing that sucks is I had all the major tests (stress
>test, nuclear dye, etc.) just a couple years ago when I was
>400+ lbs., before I lost most of my weight and I was
>pronounced fine. So it would sure be a drag if now I'm in
>trouble. I have no family history and I don't smoke, but I
>sure have anxiety over this.
>
>Preston

A cholesterol level of 170 is not high and variances over
the course of a year are not unusual.

Congratulations on losing all that weight. That is quite a
feat. Be more concerned about maintaining that weight loss.

Ask your doctor for a copy of any bloodwork you have done
and keep a file for your own information. You are entitled
to it, but you have to ask.

L.

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Preston Crawford wrote:
>
> On 2004-06-23, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> > Preston Crawford wrote:
> >
> >> So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
> >> weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all
> >> the time to 268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to
> >> 170 since my last test, which was like a year ago.
> >> That's quite an uptick. That must just be bad diet and
> >> exercise.
> >
> > Ime, the weight gain in susceptible people is enough to
> > explain it.
> >
> >> Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
> >> worried?
> >>
> >
> > There is reason for concern. How does the 170 break down
> > in terms of LDL, HDL, and triglycerides?
> >
>
> Why is there reason for concern?

The 40 point rise could be a 200 point rise in triglycerides
for example.

> Is 170 THAT high?

No.

> I was always told when it was 120-130 that I had
> exceptional cholesterol. Never average. Now I'm worried.

You should communicate your worries with your doctor.

> I haven't found out yet what the breakdown is. The nurse
> for my doctor said it looked okay. She said that today on
> the phone. That I didn't need to be worried, maybe because
> of the breakdown. I don't know. She didn't seem concerned.
> I'm concerned, mostly because that's a 40 point jump in
> one year and a 19lb. roughly weight gain.
>
> The thing that sucks is I had all the major tests (stress
> test, nuclear dye, etc.) just a couple years ago when I
> was 400+ lbs., before I lost most of my weight and I was
> pronounced fine.

How did you lose the weight?

> So it would sure be a drag if now I'm in trouble. I have
> no family history and I don't smoke, but I sure have
> anxiety over this.
>

Understandably.

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Andrew

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[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-24, listener@nospam.net <listener@nospam.net> wrote:
> A cholesterol level of 170 is not high and variances over
> the course of a year are not unusual.

Really? That makes me feel a little better. I've been so
used to having it be so low, that, well, you know.

> Congratulations on losing all that weight. That is
> quite a feat. Be more concerned about maintaining that
> weight loss.
>
> Ask your doctor for a copy of any bloodwork you have done
> and keep a file for your own information. You are entitled
> to it, but you have to ask.

Okay. Thanks.

Preston

[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>>
>> On 2004-06-23, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> > Preston Crawford wrote:
>> >
>> >> So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
>> >> weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all
>> >> the time to 268) my cholesterol has gone from 130 to
>> >> 170 since my last test, which was like a year ago.
>> >> That's quite an uptick. That must just be bad diet and
>> >> exercise.
>> >
>> > Ime, the weight gain in susceptible people is enough to
>> > explain it.
>> >
>> >> Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
>> >> worried?
>> >>
>> >
>> > There is reason for concern. How does the 170 break
>> > down in terms of LDL, HDL, and triglycerides?
>> >
>>
>> Why is there reason for concern?
>
> The 40 point rise could be a 200 point rise in
> triglycerides for example.

Okay, I'll have to ask about that.

>> Is 170 THAT high?
>
> No.

Okay, I wasn't sure. I was used to having my cholesterol
around 120-130, like I said earlier. So when it made this
jump I paniced a bit.

>> I was always told when it was 120-130 that I had
>> exceptional cholesterol. Never average. Now I'm worried.
>
> You should communicate your worries with your doctor.

I will.

>> I haven't found out yet what the breakdown is. The nurse
>> for my doctor said it looked okay. She said that today on
>> the phone. That I didn't need to be worried, maybe
>> because of the breakdown. I don't know. She didn't seem
>> concerned. I'm concerned, mostly because that's a 40
>> point jump in one year and a 19lb. roughly weight gain.
>>
>> The thing that sucks is I had all the major tests (stress
>> test, nuclear dye, etc.) just a couple years ago when I
>> was 400+ lbs., before I lost most of my weight and I was
>> pronounced fine.
>
> How did you lose the weight?

Changed my diet dramatically and started exercising.
Eventually worked my way up to 25-30 miles a day and I was
eating tons of fruits and vegetables and whole grains and
beans. No meat, rarely any dairy, no soda or candy or
sugar. So I know I've "let things go" in the sense that
I've loosened up and started eating certain things again.
Mostly as a result of the high anxiety and stress as work.
As well as, in some cases, a way to keep myself awake when
I was tired. For like a year there work was so stressful,
the hours so long and my exercise schedule (exercise helps
me sleep, keeps my anxiety in check, helps me wake up in
the morning, etc.) so out of whack that I was "needing" to
eat sugar at various times of the day to keep myself
awake. I know "need" is not necessarily true, but when you
have a job you have to keep on pain of losing your house
then you do what you have to do. Eventually I lost the job
anyway to layoffs and we sold the house. Probably never
should have bought the house. Anyway, I'm off track. Need
to get back on track.

>> So it would sure be a drag if now I'm in trouble. I have
>> no family history and I don't smoke, but I sure have
>> anxiety over this.
>>
>
> Understandably.

Thanks.

Preston

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Preston Crawford wrote:

> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote: <snip>
> > How did you lose the weight?
>
> Changed my diet dramatically and started exercising.
> Eventually worked my way up to 25-30 miles a day and I
> was eating tons of fruits and vegetables and whole grains
> and beans.

Uh-oh. Don't like the "eating tons."

> No meat, rarely any dairy, no soda or candy or sugar. So I
> know I've "let things go" in the sense that I've loosened
> up and started eating certain things again.

That's what invariably happens when you change "what" you
are eating and are still "eating tons."

> Mostly as a result of the high anxiety and stress as work.

Such will increase hunger.

> As well as, in some cases, a way to keep myself awake
> when I was tired. For like a year there work was so
> stressful, the hours so long and my exercise schedule
> (exercise helps me sleep, keeps my anxiety in check,
> helps me wake up in the morning, etc.) so out of whack
> that I was "needing" to eat sugar at various times of the
> day to keep myself awake.

This might be more the caffeine rather than the accompanying
sugar water.

> I know "need" is not necessarily true, but when you have a
> job you have to keep on pain of losing your house then you
> do what you have to do. Eventually I lost the job anyway
> to layoffs and we sold the house. Probably never should
> have bought the house. Anyway, I'm off track. Need to get
> back on track.
>

The 2PD approach should help you. Would suggest you ask your
doctor about it.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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[Mike]

Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote in message

>So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
>weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all the
>time to 268)

Your morbid obesity S/B as worrisome as driving your
bike at night without brakes or lights on a Friday night
in L.A. Your sleep apnea, which is caused by extra
tissue (fat) in your airway, is possibly causing sleep
deprivation and exacerbating your anxiety. Stop letting
yourself and others (i.e. the receptionist not giving
you your Lipid #s) take you on the easy path to poor
health. The obesity and environmental diseases will
cause more life-year casualties in the next 30 years
than if terrorists nuked several cities. You need to
focus on your health being a young programmer that knows
+ 7 languages, as physical health is needed for mental
clarity. In +20 years of COBOL and Macromedia
technologies, this old brain can barely handle (in good
health) 2 languages. I also had panic attacks and social
anxiety disorder that only resolves with prayer,
fasting, CRON diet, love from my family and exercise
(lots of biking) that leads to my proper weight.

>Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
>worried?

Yes! You are fighting a war for your health and you need
to arm yourself with medical professionals, devices
(scales, BP monitors, fat calipers) and spiritual leaders
that also focus on health (i.e.
http://www.changinglives.org/daily.html or
http://www.healthmasters.com (http://www.healthmasters.com/) ), as our flesh is weak.
Find a wellness center such as the Copper Clinic in
Dallas that has Medical Doctors and Nutritionalists.
Focus on people that are good examples of health as in
the great article in July's http://www.Bicycling.com (http://www.bicycling.com/)
magazine about 90 y/o John Sinibaldi, who dusks most
young cyclist, rides > 25 miles every day for 65 years
and grows his own food. You seem to like biking so on
weekends go to events, google.rec.bikes, use rear view
mirrors-helmets, find safe-low traffic routes, get a cycle-
trainer or good Precor elliptical for late night in front
of the TV. Stop all refined sugars (especially corn
syrup) and caffeine, which increase your anxiety and
temporary keeps you alert (caffeine). You have made
spectacular weight loss and this plateau can be broken
with the right tools and guidance. Good Luck! Mike

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Mike wrote:

> Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote in message
>
> >So now I'm really worried. In addition to putting on
> >weight in the last 9 months (from 250 and cycling all the
> >time to 268)
>
> Your morbid obesity S/B as worrisome as driving your
> bike at night without brakes or lights on a Friday
> night in L.A. Your sleep apnea, which is caused by
> extra tissue (fat) in your airway, is possibly causing
> sleep deprivation and exacerbating your anxiety. Stop
> letting yourself and others (i.e. the receptionist not
> giving you your Lipid #s) take you on the easy path to
> poor health. The obesity and environmental diseases
> will cause more life-year casualties in the next 30
> years than if terrorists nuked several cities. You
> need to focus on your health being a young programmer
> that knows + 7 languages, as physical health is needed
> for mental clarity. In +20 years of COBOL and
> Macromedia technologies, this old brain can barely
> handle (in good health) 2 languages. I also had panic
> attacks and social anxiety disorder that only resolves
> with prayer, fasting, CRON diet, love from my family
> and exercise (lots of biking) that leads to my proper
> weight.
>
> >Could that be why I'm feeling so poor and should I be
> >worried?
>
> Yes! You are fighting a war for your health and you
> need to arm yourself with medical professionals,
> devices (scales, BP monitors, fat calipers) and
> spiritual leaders that also focus on health (i.e.
> http://www.changinglives.org/daily.html or
> http://www.healthmasters.com (http://www.healthmasters.com/) ), as our flesh is weak.
> Find a wellness center such as the Copper Clinic in
> Dallas that has Medical Doctors and Nutritionalists.
> Focus on people that are good examples of health as in
> the great article in July's http://www.Bicycling.com (http://www.bicycling.com/)
> magazine about 90 y/o John Sinibaldi, who dusks most
> young cyclist, rides > 25 miles every day for 65 years
> and grows his own food. You seem to like biking so on
> weekends go to events, google.rec.bikes, use rear view
> mirrors-helmets, find safe-low traffic routes, get a
> cycle-trainer or good Precor elliptical for late night
> in front of the TV. Stop all refined sugars (especially
> corn syrup) and caffeine, which increase your anxiety
> and temporary keeps you alert (caffeine). You have made
> spectacular weight loss and this plateau can be broken
> with the right tools and guidance. Good Luck! Mike

Ime, the 2PD approach works every time for sustained
weight loss.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp.

But because it works, doctor supervision is required.

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Andrew

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[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>
>> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote: <snip>
>> > How did you lose the weight?
>>
>> Changed my diet dramatically and started exercising.
>> Eventually worked my way up to 25-30 miles a day and I
>> was eating tons of fruits and vegetables and whole grains
>> and beans.
>
> Uh-oh. Don't like the "eating tons."

That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant my
diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
vegetables.

>> No meat, rarely any dairy, no soda or candy or sugar. So
>> I know I've "let things go" in the sense that I've
>> loosened up and started eating certain things again.
>
> That's what invariably happens when you change "what" you
> are eating and are still "eating tons."
>
>> Mostly as a result of the high anxiety and stress
>> as work.
>
> Such will increase hunger.

True.

>> As well as, in some cases, a way to keep myself awake
>> when I was tired. For like a year there work was so
>> stressful, the hours so long and my exercise schedule
>> (exercise helps me sleep, keeps my anxiety in check,
>> helps me wake up in the morning, etc.) so out of whack
>> that I was "needing" to eat sugar at various times of the
>> day to keep myself awake.
>
> This might be more the caffeine rather than the
> accompanying sugar water.

Actually, because of my apnea, I haven't drank caffinated
drinks or alcohol for over 4 years.

>> I know "need" is not necessarily true, but when you have
>> a job you have to keep on pain of losing your house then
>> you do what you have to do. Eventually I lost the job
>> anyway to layoffs and we sold the house. Probably never
>> should have bought the house. Anyway, I'm off track. Need
>> to get back on track.
>>
>
> The 2PD approach should help you. Would suggest you ask
> your doctor about it.

Thanks.

Preston

[Owen Lowe]

In article <slrncdng36.9mv.me@serpentor.cobrala>,
Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:

> That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant my
> diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
> vegetables.

I'd recommend that you pick up a copy of Dr. Agaston's South
Beach Diet
- he's a cardiologist who was not seeing positive results of
the AMA and FDA food pyramid in his patients. Started
doing his own experimentation and testing and found that
while"we" were doing a good job of cutting out the fats,
as recommended, we were cutting out good fats as well as
substituting a lot of carbohydrates * much of which is
refined * in low-fat foods. The original "low-fat" mantra
was misinformed as the researcher studying the different
cultures didn't take some important details into account.

You'll very likely see your blood lipids improve if you cut
out the "white" carbs like potatoes, bread, rice and sugar
plus throw in 20 minutes per day of exercise to help out.

Other books you might find interesting and which tie closely
to South Beach are:

Dr. Diana Schwartzbein - The Schwartzbein Principle (an
endrocrinologist who came to very similar conclusions
and methods when studying her diabetes patients).

Ds.Robert Atkins - New Diet Revolution (or something along
those lines)
- Atkins was a cardiologist too - some feel his plan allows
too much saturated fat tho.

Stay away from partially hydrogenated stuff too.

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Preston Crawford wrote:
>
> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> > Preston Crawford wrote:
> >
> >> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote: <snip>
> >> > How did you lose the weight?
> >>
> >> Changed my diet dramatically and started exercising.
> >> Eventually worked my way up to 25-30 miles a day and I
> >> was eating tons of fruits and vegetables and whole
> >> grains and beans.
> >
> > Uh-oh. Don't like the "eating tons."
>
> That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant my
> diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
> vegetables.

That phrase reveals a disregard for quantity.

> >> No meat, rarely any dairy, no soda or candy or sugar.
> >> So I know I've "let things go" in the sense that I've
> >> loosened up and started eating certain things again.
> >
> > That's what invariably happens when you change "what"
> > you are eating and are still "eating tons."
> >
> >> Mostly as a result of the high anxiety and stress as
> >> work.
> >
> > Such will increase hunger.
>
> True.

Truth is simple.

> >> As well as, in some cases, a way to keep myself awake
> >> when I was tired. For like a year there work was so
> >> stressful, the hours so long and my exercise schedule
> >> (exercise helps me sleep, keeps my anxiety in check,
> >> helps me wake up in the morning, etc.) so out of whack
> >> that I was "needing" to eat sugar at various times of
> >> the day to keep myself awake.
> >
> > This might be more the caffeine rather than the
> > accompanying sugar water.
>
> Actually, because of my apnea, I haven't drank caffinated
> drinks or alcohol for over 4 years.

Folks with sleep apnea tend to be more "anaerobic" thereby
physiologically using (and needing) more sugar.

> >> I know "need" is not necessarily true, but when you
> >> have a job you have to keep on pain of losing your
> >> house then you do what you have to do. Eventually I
> >> lost the job anyway to layoffs and we sold the house.
> >> Probably never should have bought the house. Anyway,
> >> I'm off track. Need to get back on track.
> >>
> >
> > The 2PD approach should help you. Would suggest you ask
> > your doctor about it.
>
> Thanks.

You are welcome, Preston.

A few words to the wise:

If a "diet" comes with promises of "no hunger," requires the
purchase of a book, and comes with recipes...

... run the other way and save your money, time, and health.

In contrast, the 2PD approach
(http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp):

(1) You will lose weight.
(2) You will be a little hungrier more of the time.
(3) There is no book with recipes to buy.
(4) Developed by a real board-certified practicing
cardiologist who also happens to be a Christian that
is internet savvy with a PhD degree in human
mitochondrial genetics.
(5) Because it *always* works, and there may be a need to
"dovetail" this weight-loss approach with other diets
to address other medical conditions, doctor supervision
is required.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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[Mike]

Dr.Chung wrote:

>Ime, the 2PD approach works every time for sustained
>weight loss.

Thank you for convincing me to buy (and use) a Soehnle
food scale computer the last 6 months. It has become an
adjunct to my "Weight Weenie Biking Philosophy" since
buying a 15 lb bike. I try to cap each meal at 200-300
grams and leave 100-200 for grazing; on heavy grain days
I consume about 700-950 Gms a day and on heavy meat-salad
days I eat ~1KG-2.0KG. You should include items like dry
lettuce or celery as "Freebees" to encourage behaviors
away from refined grains and fat like weight watchers.
2PD just remind me of a prescription with only 2 pills
per day on it and proper food intake is as important a
proper medication intake, selection and amount. My first
Yo-Yo diet was in 1972, which after getting out of the
Marine Corp and due to decreased physical work+AC+fast
food eating caused a rapid weight gain; I ate only canned
tuna fish, canned vegetables (like C-rats) and beer.
However no diet I have ever followed gives me such
immediate feed back

thoughts like I was in my 20's, Complements from even
strangers, kicking 20yo olds with $5k bikes in my dust,
etc), only problems I had were arrhythmias R/T MG1.5 and
K3.3 on 4day fast while biking. This sounds anorexic to even
me, if not the fact I'm barely maintaining a proper body fat
between 7 and 16 %; it is possible I've a predisposition for
M-Syndrome-X. I will use your food scaling method and
incorporate it with my other methods for a better idea of my
actual daily caloric consumption. Thanks you. Mike.

Preston Crawford wrote:
> Secondly, what does being a Christian have to do
> anything. I'm a Christian, but I wouldn't care if my
> doctor was an atheist, Buddhist or whatever as long as
> he's a good doctor.

I personally would prefer Christian people around me,
whether an airline pilot, Dr or the people of the city,
which I'm bike riding in (I would probably be killed in
most Muslin cities of the world). I would take odds
against President Bush's survival of any procedure in a
Muslim hospital. Mohammed was a conquering murderer that
treated women like slaves and Christ was a healer that
revered women. However most people seem they are no more
successful at Christianity than dieting upon examination
of their behaviors or getting on a scale, nor should you
call yourself a Christian or a MD without proper
properties; this has probably been true of the
illiterate masses the last 2k years. Most of America
resemble the gluttonous, promiscuous spectators like
Roman Arena days, when Christians where being killed for
entertainment (reality TV, fatherless homes etc). With
criminals, highway accepted murders and general lack of
a cohesive social feeling; it is no wonder people spend
most of their time in their castles watching TV and only
venture out in their tanks. Good Luck breaking this
plateau and safe biking friend. Mike

[Dr. Andrew B. C]

Owen Lowe wrote:
>
> In article <slrncdng36.9mv.me@serpentor.cobrala>,
> Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:
>
> > That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant
> > my diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
> > vegetables.
>
> I'd recommend that you pick up a copy of Dr. Agaston's
> South Beach Diet
> - he's a cardiologist who was not seeing positive results
> of the AMA and FDA food pyramid in his patients. Started
> doing his own experimentation and testing and found that
> while"we" were doing a good job of cutting out the fats,
> as recommended, we were cutting out good fats as well as
> substituting a lot of carbohydrates * much of which is
> refined * in low-fat foods. The original "low-fat"
> mantra was misinformed as the researcher studying the
> different cultures didn't take some important details
> into account.
>
> You'll very likely see your blood lipids improve if you
> cut out the "white" carbs like potatoes, bread, rice and
> sugar plus throw in 20 minutes per day of exercise to
> help out.
>
> Other books you might find interesting and which tie
> closely to South Beach are:
>
> Dr. Diana Schwartzbein - The Schwartzbein Principle (an
> endrocrinologist who came to very similar conclusions
> and methods when studying her diabetes patients).
>
> Dr.Robert Atkins - New Diet Revolution (or something along
> those lines)
> - Atkins was a cardiologist too - some feel his plan
> allows too much saturated fat tho.
>
> Stay away from partially hydrogenated stuff too.

A few words to the wise:

If a "diet" comes with promises of "no hunger," requires the
purchase of a book, and/or comes with recipes...

... run the other way and save your money, time, and health.

In contrast, the 2PD approach
(http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp):

(1) You will lose weight.
(2) You will be a little hungrier more of the time.
(3) There is no book with recipes to buy.
(4) Developed by a real board-certified practicing
cardiologist who also happens to be a Christian that
is internet savvy with a PhD degree in human
mitochondrial genetics.
(5) Because it *always* works, and there may be a need to
"dovetail" this weight-loss approach with other diets
to address other medical conditions, doctor supervision
is required.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-25, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>>
>> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> > Preston Crawford wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2004-06-24, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> >> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote: <snip>
>> >> > How did you lose the weight?
>> >>
>> >> Changed my diet dramatically and started exercising.
>> >> Eventually worked my way up to 25-30 miles a day and I
>> >> was eating tons of fruits and vegetables and whole
>> >> grains and beans.
>> >
>> > Uh-oh. Don't like the "eating tons."
>>
>> That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant
>> my diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
>> vegetables.
>
> That phrase reveals a disregard for quantity.

I'm sorry, but that phrase reveals a disregard for needing
to use the exact language possible. Am I on the examination
table or in English class? I used a euphemism. People use
them all the time. The reality was that by "tons" I mean
that was the majority of my diet, but what that really meant
was about what you're *supposed* to eat. An apple a day, an
orange a day a cup and a half of brocolli a day and some
lettuce each day with tomatoes.

>> >> No meat, rarely any dairy, no soda or candy or sugar.
>> >> So I know I've "let things go" in the sense that I've
>> >> loosened up and started eating certain things again.
>> >
>> > That's what invariably happens when you change "what"
>> > you are eating and are still "eating tons."
>> >
>> >> Mostly as a result of the high anxiety and stress as
>> >> work.
>> >
>> > Such will increase hunger.
>>
>> True.
>
> Truth is simple.

??

>> >> As well as, in some cases, a way to keep myself awake
>> >> when I was tired. For like a year there work was so
>> >> stressful, the hours so long and my exercise schedule
>> >> (exercise helps me sleep, keeps my anxiety in check,
>> >> helps me wake up in the morning, etc.) so out of whack
>> >> that I was "needing" to eat sugar at various times of
>> >> the day to keep myself awake.
>> >
>> > This might be more the caffeine rather than the
>> > accompanying sugar water.
>>
>> Actually, because of my apnea, I haven't drank caffinated
>> drinks or alcohol for over 4 years.
>
> Folks with sleep apnea tend to be more "anaerobic" thereby
> physiologically using (and needing) more sugar.

Didn't know that.

>> >> I know "need" is not necessarily true, but when you
>> >> have a job you have to keep on pain of losing your
>> >> house then you do what you have to do. Eventually I
>> >> lost the job anyway to layoffs and we sold the house.
>> >> Probably never should have bought the house. Anyway,
>> >> I'm off track. Need to get back on track.
>> >>
>> >
>> > The 2PD approach should help you. Would suggest you ask
>> > your doctor about it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> You are welcome, Preston.
>
> A few words to the wise:
>
> If a "diet" comes with promises of "no hunger," requires
> the purchase of a book, and comes with recipes...
>
> ... run the other way and save your money, time, and
> health.

I wasn't on a diet. I changed my lifestyle. I purchased no
book, save for some vegetarian recipe (since I gradually
became vegetarian when I lost my original 150lbs., 18 of
which I've gained back) books.

Preston

[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-25, Owen Lowe <onlnlowe@easystreet.com> wrote:
> In article <slrncdng36.9mv.me@serpentor.cobrala>,
> Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:
>
>> That's obviously a phrase, not a literal truth. I meant
>> my diet consisted mostly of whole grains, fruits and
>> vegetables.
>
> I'd recommend that you pick up a copy of Dr. Agaston's
> South Beach Diet
> - he's a cardiologist who was not seeing positive results
> of the AMA and FDA food pyramid in his patients. Started
> doing his own experimentation and testing and found that
> while"we" were doing a good job of cutting out the fats,
> as recommended, we were cutting out good fats as well as
> substituting a lot of carbohydrates * much of which is
> refined * in low-fat foods. The original "low-fat"
> mantra was misinformed as the researcher studying the
> different cultures didn't take some important details
> into account.

People seem to be missing something here. Did everyone miss
where I said earlier that I had lost 150lbs., maintained
that for 3 years and only recently gained back 18lbs. I'm
worried about where I am, but it isn't like I don't know how
to eat right or that I was on a fad diet. I agree that low
fat isn't everything. I didn't go on a low-fat "diet". I
changed my lifestyle to remove white breads, russett
potatoes, etc. I replaced them with sprouted wheat breads,
red potatoes, brown rice and beans, etc. I also quit the
processed sugars like candy, soda, etc. and promptly lost
150lbs. over the course of about 18 months. And kept it
completely off until the last 6 months. So I know what's
going on here. Stress, slacking off on my eating habits and
not exercising as much. What I did before (vegetarian)
worked. And it worked in part because I made careful note to
get fats in the form of things like walnuts, almonds, flax
seeds, canola-based butters, things that contained the
"good" fat.

> You'll very likely see your blood lipids improve if you
> cut out the "white" carbs like potatoes, bread, rice and
> sugar plus throw in 20 minutes per day of exercise to
> help out.

I agree.

> Dr.Robert Atkins - New Diet Revolution (or something along
> those lines)
> - Atkins was a cardiologist too - some feel his plan
> allows too much saturated fat tho.
>
> Stay away from partially hydrogenated stuff too.

I know. That's why when I chose butter I chose Spectrum
spread. Basically hardened canola. Doesn't avoid the fat,
but you get good fat instead and no hydrogenation. This has
been my diet for the last 4 years. I've just slacked off the
last 6months to a year because of stress, etc.

Preston

[George]

On 27 Jun 2004 11:06:29 -0700, maross@texoma.net (Mike) wrote:

> I personally would prefer Christian people around me,
> whether an airline pilot,

Well it seems that in Mike we have discovered another weirdo
who will fit in beautifully. Get an atomic scale Mike to
measure your food intake down to the microgram, or better
yet in atomic mass units. Just think on a 2PD you can eat
958000000 micrograms. You will live to be 150 years old that
way for sure.

[Preston Crawfor]

On 2004-06-27, Mike <maross@texoma.net> wrote:
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>> Secondly, what does being a Christian have to do
>> anything. I'm a Christian, but I wouldn't care if my
>> doctor was an atheist, Buddhist or whatever as long as
>> he's a good doctor.
>
> I personally would prefer Christian people around me,
> whether an airline pilot, Dr or the people of the
> city, which I'm bike riding in (I would probably be
> killed in most Muslin cities of the world). I would
> take odds against President Bush's survival of any
> procedure in a Muslim hospital. Mohammed was a
> conquering murderer that treated women like slaves and
> Christ was a healer that revered women. However

Yes. And we all know that ALL Christians have followed in
his footsteps. I'm a Christian myself, but at least I can
with open eyes that the majority of God's followers don't
really give a damn about WWJD. They treat their fellow
man like garbage in spite of, and sometimes BECAUSE OF,
their religion.

> most people seem they are no more successful at
> Christianity than dieting upon examination of their
> behaviors or getting on a scale, nor should you call
> yourself a Christian or a MD without proper properties;
> this has probably been true of the illiterate masses the
> last 2k years. Most of America resemble the gluttonous,
> promiscuous spectators like Roman Arena days, when
> Christians where being killed for entertainment (reality
> TV, fatherless homes etc). With criminals, highway
> accepted murders and general lack of a cohesive social
> feeling; it is no wonder people spend most of their time
> in their castles watching TV and only venture out in
> their tanks.

Thanks for proving my point. It's one thing to *say* you're
a Christian. It's another thing to live it. Thus I really
(once again) wouldn't care whether the person treating me
was Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, etc. Because in the US the
chances of getting a compassionate Christian are probably
worse than getting a compassionate Atheist or Buddhist to
treat you medically. And at least they'll bring a measure of
objectivity to the table most of the time whereas my
experience is that the Christian will sometimes bring a
boatload of baggage and bias. And once again, I too am a
Christian. I just don't like the way my fellow man practices
very much.

> Good Luck breaking this plateau and safe biking
> friend. Mike

Thanks.

Preston