I was misled

[Jobst Brandt]

http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

[Jobst Brandt]

And again:

http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=41868

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

[carlfogel]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:54:26 GMT,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

>http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227
>
>Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Dear Jobst,

Darn! I thought that it would be an article about
sparking titanium.

Ruefully,

Carl Fogel

[Ronald]

> Darn! I thought that it would be an article about sparking
> titanium.

ME TOO!!

<carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:54ind0pdk47faagfsqeu9bdfsr9hv7c3lg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:54:26 GMT,
> jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227
> >
> >Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
>
> Dear Jobst,
>
> Darn! I thought that it would be an article about sparking
> titanium.
>
> Ruefully,
>
> Carl Fogel

[Andres Muro]

Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the leader
of Al Qaeida.

I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered his
army of holly warriors to fight against the Iraqis to expell
them from Kuwait.

Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.

Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
9/11?

Can anyone clarify for me?

Thanks,

Andres

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote in message
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> http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227
>
> Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

[Weisse Luft]

Originally posted by Jobst Brandt
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional yellow journalism at best.

If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11 Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

[David Damerell]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
>http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

Y'know, I'd rather have a helmet flamewar than US politics.
At least it's got something to do with bicycles!
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill
the tomato!

[Weisse Luft]

From the NYT, no less.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html

[S O R N I]

Weisse Luft wrote:
> From the NYT, no less.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html

Yeah, like I'd give THOSE commies my personal info!

Bill "standards" S.

[A.Lee]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:22:20 -0700, andres muro wrote:

> Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
> the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
> Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
> Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
> 9/11?
>
> Can anyone clarify for me?

Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations who
they think will help the USA cause, without thinking it
fully through, then they get kicked up the ass when they
realise the mistake they've made.They are currently feteing
the Saudis as all thats good about the Gulf, when in effect
the Saudi rulers are pretty much despots who cannot give a
stuff about Human Rights,and just want to stay in power,
much like the current US government, who think they can
treat POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
access to independent lawyers, for as long as they feel fit.
No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George Bush wanted a
war, he was getting bored with Afghanistan, so needed
something else to occupy him, and to keep all his friends,
in business and arms supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a
war zone in parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is
going to be high this year, so next year when the cheap
heroin is reaching the US cities, you can thank G.W.B. for
his 'victory' in allowing the free market to flourish in the
'liberated' Afghanistan. Alan.

[Weisse Luft]

Originally posted by A.Lee
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:22:20 -0700, andres muro wrote:

> Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
> the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
> Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
> Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
> 9/11?
>
> Can anyone clarify for me?

Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations who
they think will help the USA cause, without thinking it
fully through, then they get kicked up the ass when they
realise the mistake they've made.They are currently feteing
the Saudis as all thats good about the Gulf, when in effect
the Saudi rulers are pretty much despots who cannot give a
stuff about Human Rights,and just want to stay in power,
much like the current US government, who think they can
treat POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
access to independent lawyers, for as long as they feel fit.
No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George Bush wanted a
war, he was getting bored with Afghanistan, so needed
something else to occupy him, and to keep all his friends,
in business and arms supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a
war zone in parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is
going to be high this year, so next year when the cheap
heroin is reaching the US cities, you can thank G.W.B. for
his 'victory' in allowing the free market to flourish in the
'liberated' Afghanistan. Alan.

Yet another fine example of yellow journalism.

[Curt]

"andres muro" <andresmuro@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b2d4101f.0406250522.12322854@posting.google.com...
> Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
> Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the
> leader of Al Qaeida.
>
> I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
> all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
> against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered
> his army of holly warriors to fight against the Iraqis to
> expell them from Kuwait.
>
> Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
> administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
> fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
> confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
> weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.
>
> Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
> the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
> Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
> Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
> 9/11?
>
> Can anyone clarify for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andres
>

Um, business as usual? I mean we are still up to all this
crap and no one seems to care, as long as us Americans can
drive our H2"s and Expeditions. At least Cheney is making a
pile of money on all this war and lord know the Bush family
is getting a little on the side. lol

Well, time to start up my Ford F350 four door extended cab
with the powerstroke with a cover over the bed because it
never has anything in it but my fat ass and drive it down to
the grocery to pick up all prepared foods because I am to
lazy and fat to cook.

Yee-haw IS now foreign policy! Curt

[Matabala]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
news:K9PCc.18890$Fo4.244574@typhoon.sonic.net...
> And again:
>
> http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=41868
>
> Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

About the political correctness of the Stanford Indian
curriculum, not a chance!

[Jobst Brandt]

Weisse Luft snipes anonymously:

>> http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

> Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
> yellow journalism at best.

> If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
> Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

It's nice to see who the bushmen are, my country right or
wrong, I'm for it and fly the flag proudly... as we did in
the Viet Nam debacle.

These are direct quotes from the president. He wouldn't
mislead you would he? You don't have to read the facts if
you don't like it. As you see as a latest twist, these
administration is twisting the law into censoring Fahrenheit
9/11. We'll see how the Supreme Court rules on that.

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

[Tim McNamara]

andresmuro@aol.com (andres muro) writes:

> Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
> Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the
> leader of Al Qaeida.

Huh? They weren't? He isn't?

> I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
> all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
> against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered
> his army of holly warriors to fight
^^^^^
> against the Iraqis to expell them from Kuwait.

Militant Santa's elves converted to Islam?

> Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
> administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
> fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
> confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
> weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.

Yes.

> Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
> the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
> Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
> Iraqis or the Saudis that caused 9/11?

Yes.

> Can anyone clarify for me?

No.

The Reagan, Bush I and Bush II administrations were and are
insane (and are the same groups of people, for the most
part). None of them can do simple math, none of them knows
how to operate a budget, none of them think the Constitution
is worth defending if it gets in their way, and all of them
know that if they lie long enough the majority of Americans
will decide they are telling the truth. The neocons live by
Wizard's First Rule.

One can only hope for an ouster in November.

[Weisse Luft]

So many "experts" here ballyhoo a mockumentary, get their news in easy to digest 30 second soundbites and exist on faults of logic.

I would condemn the whole lot if it were not for luminaries like Bernard Goldberg. There is hope.

[Jp]

Weisse Luft <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<AsWCc.124535$fT2.109610@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> Jobst Brandt wrote:
> > ader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227http://daily.mislea- (http://daily.mislea-/)
> > der.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Jobst Brandt
> > jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
>
>
>
> Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
> yellow journalism at best.
>
> If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
> Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

You mean the 9/11 Commission that was stacked by the GOP to
whitewash the investigation with regard to Bush? Despite all
their best efforts it don't look that good for your boy. I
wonder what we would have found it if there had been some
truly aggressive investigation, like demanding that Bush and
Cheney be interviewed separately under oath, or if they had
had supoena power and the will to use it.

JP

[A.Lee]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:45:11 +0000, Weisse Luft wrote:

> A.Lee wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:22:20 -0700, andres muro wrote:
> > > Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told
> > > me that the people that are responsible for 9/11 are
> > > all Saudi Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends?
> > > So, was it the Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
> > > 9/11?
> > >
> > > Can anyone clarify for me?
> > Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations
> > who they think will help the USA cause, without
> > thinking it fully through, then they get kicked up the
> > ass when they realise the mistake they've made.They
> > are currently feteing the Saudis as all thats good
> > about the Gulf, when in effect the Saudi rulers are
> > pretty much despots who cannot give a stuff about
> > Human Rights,and just want to stay in power, much like
> > the current US government, who think they can treat
> > POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
> > access to independent lawyers, for as long as they
> > feel fit. No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George
> > Bush wanted a war, he was getting bored with
> > Afghanistan, so needed something else to occupy him,
> > and to keep all his friends, in business and arms
> > supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a war zone in
> > parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is going to
> > be high this year, so next year when the cheap heroin
> > is reaching the US cities, you can thank
> > G.W.B. for his 'victory' in allowing the free market
> > to flourish in the 'liberated' Afghanistan.
> > Alan.

> Yet another fine example of yellow journalism.

Sorry, but which of the above statements are not true? Clue:
they are all true. Didnt a poll show that something like 60%
of US citizens thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Your
fellow Countrymen need to be told the truth.(no I'm not
condoning 9/11,it was terrible), but GWB is a complete idiot
who is turning the World against him and the US.After 9/11
the World was prepared to back the US, now who is standing
by Bush? - only Blair, Bush's UK lapdog, who is also in the
**** for his unjustified claims about Iraq, the difference
in the UK is that the media discloses the true facts, not
the censored versions published in the US. Alan. .

[Tvphobic]

Where's Mark Hickey on this one?


delete the W in both the email address and White House

[Weisse Luft]

Originally posted by Jp
Weisse Luft <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<AsWCc.124535$fT2.109610@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> Jobst Brandt wrote:
> > ader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227http://daily.mislea- (http://daily.mislea-/)
> > der.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Jobst Brandt
> > jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
>
>
>
> Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
> yellow journalism at best.
>
> If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
> Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

You mean the 9/11 Commission that was stacked by the GOP to
whitewash the investigation with regard to Bush? Despite all
their best efforts it don't look that good for your boy. I
wonder what we would have found it if there had been some
truly aggressive investigation, like demanding that Bush and
Cheney be interviewed separately under oath, or if they had
had supoena power and the will to use it.

JP

There you go again, throwing out co-opted ideas, hoping they stick as facts. Without referencing any external information, its unlikely you could name 4 members of this commission.

Go back to school, the adults are in charge.