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Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
to the winner:
2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
4. 2'10
5. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
6. 2'50
So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20",
while the 3rd team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd, gets
no bonus at +30".
I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT compared
to the one single max time difference, but it will sure
stirr up more what-if discussions during later stages.
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> skrev i melding news:1adtd0dgopr736pjhviqgqbu7l2chep93r@4ax.com...
> Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single
> maximum time loss with regard to the winner for all teams
> in the TdF team time trial, but rather there is a whole
> ladder of cut-off times for every placed team. Every
> placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team
> stays within that limit and gets their real time, or it
> doesn't and gets the predetermined maximum time for that
> placing. Here are the maximum gaps to the winner:
>
> 2. 20"
> 3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
> 13. 2'10
> 14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
> 21. 2'50
>
> So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20",
> while the 3rd team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd,
> gets no bonus at +30".
>
> I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
> compared to the one single max time difference, but it
> will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
> later stages.
This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the
1985 Tour. The results were as follows. The real time gaps
are displayed first, followed by the assigned predetermined
time differences (in parentheses).
More data at http://www.memoire-du- (http://www.memoire-du-/)
cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1984_1993/tdf1985_3.php
VITRE-FOUGERES, 73 km TTT
1. LA VIE CLAIRE-WONDER-RADAR en 1h30'09" (Moy :
48.585 km/h)
2. KWANTUM HALLEN-DECOSOL à 1'00" (10 s)
3. PANASONIC-RALEIGH à 1'03" (20s)
4. PEUGEOT-SHELL-MICHELIN à 1'12" (30 s)
5. CARRERA JEANS-INOXPRAN à 1'22" (40 s)
6. RENAULT-ELF à 1'22" (50 s)
7. LA REDOUTE à 1'24" (1.00)
8. HITACHI-SUNAIR-SPLENDOR à 2'10" (1.10)
9. LOTTO-EDDY MERCKX-CAMPAGNOLO à 2'24" (1.20)
10. SKIL-SEM-KAS à 2'52" (1.30)
11. VERANDALUX-NISSAN-DRIES à 2'52" (1.40)
12. FAGOR à 3'33" (1.50)
13. REYNOLDS-TS BATTERIES à 3'40" (2.00)
14. TÖNISSTEINER-TORHOUT/WERCHTER-BASF-MAVIC à 4'38" (2.10)
15. ZOR à 5'20" (2.20)
16. SANTINI-SELLE ITALIA-CONTI-GALLA à 5'52" (2.30)
17. CAFE DE COLOMBIA-VARTA-MAVIC à 6'24" (2.40)
18. SEAT-ORBEA à 7'19" (2.55)
--
Roy Ellefsen
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:15:51 GMT, Roy Ellefsen wrote:
>This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the
>1985 Tour. The results were as follows.
I finally found
http://www.letour.fr/2004/docs/reglement_us.pdf (via Google,
not linked from current site as far as I can see).
Interesting results: one team much better, so all other
teams outside their time limits; everyone gets pushed up the
ladder onto the finely spaced rungs. First team livid. I
don't think we'll see that 1985 scenario this year, the
playing field is more level (allegedly).
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:35:05 +0200, I wrote:
> 2. 20"
> 3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
> 13. 2'10
> 14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
> 21. 2'50
Hmm, that was from the "Programme Officiel du Tour 2004" (a
publication from the Société du TdF) that I ordered through
journeaux.fr, but the PDF I found on letour.fr says:
20’’ for the 2nd team 30’’ for the 3rd team 40’’ for the 4th
team 50’’ for the 5th team 1’ for the 6th team 1’10 for the
7th team 1’20 for the 8th team 1’30 for the 9th team 1’40
for the 10th team 1’50 for the 11th team 2’00 for the 12th
team 2’10 for the 13th team 2’20 for the 14th team 2’30 for
the 15th team 2’35 for the 16th team 2’40 for the 17th team
2’45 for the 18th team 2’50 for the 19th team 2’55 for the
20th team 3’00 for the 21st team
Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a current
page...
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
> compared to the one single max time difference, but it
> will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
> later stages.
Makes victory less meaningful. Will any serious GC
contending team even try (hard) to win the TTT, or will they
save their horses for the other stages where more time can
be gained or lost?
--
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> Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
> with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
> rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
> Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
> within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
> predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
> to the winner:
Hey, you've been listening to the Dutch championships
commentary also! Nice win for Dekker (Erik), he's in his "I
just try something and somehow i win"-mode again.
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1adtd0dgopr736pjhviqgqbu7l2chep93r@4ax.com...
> Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single
> maximum time loss with regard to the winner for all teams
> in the TdF team time trial, but rather there is a whole
> ladder of cut-off times for every placed team. Every
> placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team
> stays within that limit and gets their real time, or it
> doesn't and gets the predetermined maximum time for that
> placing. Here are the maximum gaps to the winner:
>
> 2. 20"
> 3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
> 13. 2'10
> 14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
> 21. 2'50
>
> So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20",
> while the 3rd team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd,
> gets no bonus at +30".
>
> I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
> compared to the one single max time difference, but it
> will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
> later stages.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
>Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a
>current page...
Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it.
The race -> rules & stakes
http://www.letour.com/2004/us/reglement.html
It's also interesting that riders that lose contact with
their team get their real time instead of benefitting from
the time limits.
Jenko
On Monday 28 June 2004 11:28%, Jenko wrote:
>>Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a
>>current page...
>
> Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it.
> The race -> rules & stakes
> http://www.letour.com/2004/us/reglement.html
Of course, that was the page I found too, but what I was
trying to imply by "current" was that it was not accessible
from the homepage. It is now; there's a totally different
homepage since today.
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