Atkins diet is also birth control hahahaha

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Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago
MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but
what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that
high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins
diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have
babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New
Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of
fertility study

Says something about evolution, eh?

"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:

>Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago
>MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but
>what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that
>high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins
>diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have
>babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New
>Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of
>fertility study
>

--
"A Sound Mind. A Healthy Body. Pick One" Mr. Hedge

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:17:17 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:

>Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago
>MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but
>what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that
>high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins
>diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have
>babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New
>Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of
>fertility study
>
>
New Scientist was once a good magazine, but unfortunately
its editorial board has been completely overrun by
antinuclear, anti-GM, animal rights extremists. It doesn't
have balanced reporting on anything related to these topics,
just extremist propaganda. If you bothered to read the
Atkins book rather than the PETA/wheat council propaganda,
you'd find that Atkins describes his diet as high-fat, not
high protein.

"Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com...
> Says something about evolution, eh?

Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get
Darwined out.

>
>
> "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
>
> >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes
> >ago MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working -
> >but what's it doing
to
> >your fertility? New research says that high protein, low
> >carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins diet, may have
> >implications for women's
capacity
> >to have babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility
> >New Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of
> >fertility study
> >
>
> --
> "A Sound Mind. A Healthy Body. Pick One" Mr. Hedge

"Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40e55709.1070153@news.btopenworld.com...
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:17:17 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
> <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
>
> >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes
> >ago MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working -
> >but what's it doing
to
> >your fertility? New research says that high protein, low
> >carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins diet, may have
> >implications for women's
capacity
> >to have babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility
> >New Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of
> >fertility study
> >
> >
> New Scientist was once a good magazine, but unfortunately
> its editorial board has been completely overrun by
> antinuclear, anti-GM, animal rights extremists. It doesn't
> have balanced reporting on anything related to these
> topics, just extremist propaganda. If you bothered to read
> the Atkins book rather than the PETA/wheat council
> propaganda, you'd find that Atkins describes his diet as
> high-fat, not high protein.
>
>
Blah blah blah

"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<5iAEc.2421$yy1.191@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in
> message news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com...
> > Says something about evolution, eh?
>
> Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get
> Darwined out.
>
>
Are you guys really that delusional?? You need a reality
check. Animal protein is the food that drove our freakin
evolutioin, not that it did you much good. You seriously
need to get informed.

"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote
> in message
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..
> > "Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com...
> > > Says something about evolution, eh?
> >
> > Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get
> > Darwined out.
> >
> >
> Are you guys really that delusional?? You need a
> reality check. Animal protein is the food that drove
> our freakin evolutioin, not that it did you much good.
> You seriously need to get informed.

Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins?
Humans have always mainly been plant eaters anyway.

From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm

What does human physiology indicate about diet?

We're omnivores (plant and meat eaters) now, but did we
evolve that way? Are our internal organs, enzymes,
biochemistry, etc. set up for what we eat? Cows are
herbivores, but rendered meat (including beef) has become a
regular food additive in recent years in cattle feed lots
because it makes them grow faster. However, it also makes
them subject to contracting diseases that cattle evolution
never developed defenses against. Likewise, carnivores can
eat and digest plant material. What does human physiology
indicate about the food types that we evolved with?

A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as plant
eaters. Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore
type jaws or teeth of animals that chase and take down prey
and rip it apart. We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines
are somewhat oriented toward meat eating.

Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should be
if we evolved primarily as meat eaters. Our stomach acid is
much weaker than carnivores, at about the same pH as that of
plant eating animals. We have a plant digestive enzyme in
our mouths not found in carnivores.

Our limbs with our free hands are set up for gathering food
- plants and bugs. They're also good for using weapons to
take down game - but that's not likely a product of
evolution. Humanoid bodies were pretty well defined before
humans got good enough brains to become superbly lethal at
using weapons and teamwork in hunts.

While there are many physiological factors pointing to us
evolving primarily as plant eaters, there is no question
that man has also been an avid meat eater for at least tens
of thousands of years. In fact, the timing and areal
patterns of the extinction of many large animal species
coincides with homo sapiens first showing up in those areas.
Eating animal protein had major advantages to humans. It's
high calorie and allowed diversification of food sources -
diversification is a good survival strategy.

The reason we eat so much meat nowadays is due more to
wealth and advertising than it is to any health or survival
advantages. Some of the things that make up a large part of
our diet, cereal grains for instance, only became prominent
in human diets over the last 10,000 years. It was at that
time the last ice age ended, and a warmer more stable
climate occurred over large areas. This in turn facilitated
the large scale onset of agriculture, versus just hunting
and gathering.

Homo Sapiens evolved from a sequence of hominids who
primarily ate plants and in some cases, a lot of meat. Our
physiology and biochemistry is largely inherited from them.
Our species has been around for the last 150 to 200 thousand
years. During the last 10,000 years of that, a huge change
occurred in how the species lives and eats.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:

>Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins?
>Humans have always mainly been plant eaters anyway.
>
>From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm
>
>What does human physiology indicate about diet?
>

>A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as
>plant eaters.

Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6
months and then come back here and tell us that.

>Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore type
>jaws or teeth of animals that chase and take down prey and
>rip it apart. We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are
>somewhat oriented toward meat eating.

We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with weapons
and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth need to do
is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and chew it up. They
are very good at doing this, you should try it some time.

>
>Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should be
>if we evolved primarily as meat eaters.
Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of typical
carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter than that
of herbivores and completely incapable of digesting
cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to outrun their
prey (at least in short bursts), so they can't lug around a
bulky digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely
pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears and arrows
instead of speed and agility. Hence we can afford to have a
bigger gut than other carnivores.

> Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores,
It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger
than that.

>at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals.
Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw
meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach
doesn't need such a strong acid barrier.

> We have a plant digestive enzyme in our mouths not found
> in carnivores.
>
Some of our hominid ancestors were herbivores, and from that
we have retained a limited ability to digest plant matter in
extremis. That doesn't alter the fact that our physiology is
optimised for meat eating.

>Our limbs with our free hands are set up for gathering food
>- plants and bugs.
They are ideally suited for making tools and weapons,
something we excel at.

> They're also good for using weapons to take down game -
> but that's not likely a product of evolution. Humanoid
> bodies were pretty well defined before humans got good
> enough brains to become superbly lethal at using weapons
> and teamwork in hunts.
>
>While there are many physiological factors pointing to us
>evolving primarily as plant eaters,
We are not plant eaters. Try subsisting on a diet of grass,
twigs and leaves if you don't believe me.

> there is no question that man has also been an avid meat
> eater for at least tens of thousands of years. In fact,
> the timing and areal patterns of the extinction of many
> large animal species coincides with homo sapiens first
> showing up in those areas. Eating animal protein had major
> advantages to humans. It's high calorie and allowed
> diversification of food sources - diversification is a
> good survival strategy.
>
If you're referring to the development of agriculture, I
think this was more an act of desperation than anything
else, only occurring after all available prey had been
hunted out. That was why it didn't happen until about 10,000
years ago, even though the human race has been around for
more than 100,000 years.

>The reason we eat so much meat nowadays is due more
>to wealth
Speak for yourself, I eat it because it tastes good and
makes me look and feel healthier than a cereal-based
diet ever has.

> and advertising
I see lots of ads for foods like cornflakes, muesli,
chocolate, ice cream, fast food, ready meals. Not many for
actual meat.

> than it is to any health or survival advantages. Some of
> the things that make up a large part of our diet, cereal
> grains for instance, only became prominent in human diets
> over the last 10,000 years.
Which is why we are poorly adapted to eating them.

> It was at that time the last ice age ended, and a warmer
> more stable climate occurred over large areas. This in
> turn facilitated the large scale onset of agriculture,
> versus just hunting and gathering.
>
>Homo Sapiens evolved from a sequence of hominids who
>primarily ate plants and in some cases, a lot of meat. Our
>physiology and biochemistry is largely inherited from them.
>Our species has been around for the last 150 to 200
>thousand years. During the last 10,000 years of that, a
>huge change occurred in how the species lives and eats.
>
When food is plentiful, people have always eaten lots of
meat. It is only when other food was unobtainable that
people resorted to hamster food. That pattern remained the
same until just a few decades ago, when processed plant-
based foods started to be promoted as "healthy". That
marketing campaign was highly successful, and unfortunately
millions of people are now sufferring the consequences:
obesity and obesity-related illness, brought on by an
excessive carbohydrate intake.

Hugh

"Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com...
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
> <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
>
> >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins?
> >Humans have
always
> >mainly been plant eaters anyway.
> >
> >From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm
> >
> >What does human physiology indicate about diet?
> >
>
> >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as
> >plant eaters.
>
> Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6
> months and then come back here and tell us that.

Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on
grass?

>
> >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore type
> >jaws or teeth
of
> >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it apart.
> >We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are somewhat
> >oriented toward meat eating.
>
> We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with
> weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth
> need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and chew
> it up. They are very good at doing this, you should try it
> some time.

Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you that
humans didn't evolve from meat eaters.

> >
> >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should
> >be if we evolved primarily as meat eaters.
> Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of typical
> carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter than that
> of herbivores and completely incapable of digesting
> cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to outrun their
> prey (at least in short bursts), so they can't lug around
> a bulky digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more
> leisurely pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears
> and arrows instead of speed and agility. Hence we can
> afford to have a bigger gut than other carnivores.

We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in over
your head.

>
> > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores,
> It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger
> than that.
>
> >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals.
> Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw
> meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach
> doesn't need such a strong acid barrier.

The point was, what we evolved from.

The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to reply to.

"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com...
> > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
> > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but
> > >Atkins? Humans have
> always
> > >mainly been plant eaters anyway.
> > >
> > >From
> > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm
> > >
> > >What does human physiology indicate about diet?
> > >
>
> > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as
> > >plant eaters.
> >
> > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6
> > months and then come back here and tell us that.
>
> Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend
> on grass?
>
> >
> > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore
> > >type jaws or teeth
> of
> > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it apart.
> > >We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are somewhat
> > >oriented toward meat eating.
> >
> > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with
> > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth
> > need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and
> > chew it up. They are very good at doing this, you should
> > try it some time.
>
> Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you that
> humans didn't evolve from meat eaters.
>
>
> > >
> > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should
> > >be if we evolved primarily as meat eaters.
> > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of
> > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter
> > than that of herbivores and completely incapable of
> > digesting cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to
> > outrun their prey (at least in short bursts), so they
> > can't lug around a bulky digestive apparatus. Humans
> > hunt at a more leisurely pace, they use traps or weapons
> > such as spears and arrows instead of speed and agility.
> > Hence we can afford to have a bigger gut than other
> > carnivores.
>
> We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in over
> your head.
>
> >
> > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores,
> > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger
> > than that.
> >
> > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals.
> > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw
> > meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach
> > doesn't need such a strong acid barrier.
>
> The point was, what we evolved from.
>
> The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to reply to.

You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that matters
but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and others did
not that counts. If you want to eat like a monkey go ahead
but their diet certainly did not alow them to evolve much as
ours did thanks to animal foods.

"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote
> in message
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...
> > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com...
> > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
> > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but
> > > >Atkins? Humans have
> > always
> > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway.
> > > >
> > > >From
> > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm
> > > >
> > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet?
> > > >
> >
> > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as
> > > >plant eaters.
> > >
> > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for
> > > 6 months and then come back here and tell us that.
> >
> > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on
> > grass?
> >
> > >
> > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore
> > > >type jaws or
teeth
> > of
> > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it
> > > >apart. We have 32
teeth,
> > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward
> > > >meat eating.
> > >
> > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with
> > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our
> > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the
> > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing this,
> > > you should try it some time.
> >
> > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you
> > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they
> > > >should be if we
evolved
> > > >primarily as meat eaters.
> > > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of
> > > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much
> > > shorter than that of herbivores and completely
> > > incapable of digesting cellulose. Most carnivores need
> > > to be able to outrun their prey (at least in short
> > > bursts), so they can't lug around a bulky digestive
> > > apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely pace, they
> > > use traps or weapons such as spears and arrows instead
> > > of speed and agility. Hence we can afford to have a
> > > bigger gut than other carnivores.
> >
> > We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in
> > over your head.
> >
> > >
> > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores,
> > > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger
> > > than that.
> > >
> > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals.
> > > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not
> > > raw meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the
> > > stomach doesn't need such a strong acid barrier.
> >
> > The point was, what we evolved from.
> >
> > The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to
> > reply to.
>
>
> You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that
> matters but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and
> others did not that counts. If you want to eat like a
> monkey go ahead but their diet certainly did not alow them
> to evolve much as ours did thanks to animal foods.

No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says, we
primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the diet
with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated by
recent studies and does not help people lose weight over the
longer term.

"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<6I%Fc.1269$sD4.207@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6eb8f6eb.0407041026.6cfdf3fe@posting.google.com...
> > "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in
> > message
> news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.-
> net>...
> > > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com...
> > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
> > > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but
> > > > >Atkins? Humans have
> always
> > > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > >From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Di-
> > > > >et.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet?
> > > > >
>
> > > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily
> > > > >as plant eaters.
> > > >
> > > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves
> > > > for 6 months and then come back here and tell us
> > > > that.
> > >
> > > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend
> > > on grass?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws,
> > > > >carnivore type jaws or
> teeth of
> > > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it
> > > > >apart. We have 32
> teeth,
> > > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward
> > > > >meat eating.
> > > >
> > > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with
> > > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our
> > > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the
> > > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing
> > > > this, you should try it some time.
> > >
> > > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you
> > > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they
> > > > >should be if we
> evolved
> > > > >primarily as meat eaters.
> > > > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of
> > > > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much
> > > > shorter than that of herbivores and completely
> > > > incapable of digesting cellulose. Most carnivores
> > > > need to be able to outrun their prey (at least in
> > > > short bursts), so they can't lug around a bulky
> > > > digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely
> > > > pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears and
> > > > arrows instead of speed and agility. Hence we can
> > > > afford to have a bigger gut than other carnivores.
> > >
> > > We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in
> > > over your head.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores,
> > > > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much
> > > > stronger than that.
> > > >
> > > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating
> > > > >animals.
> > > > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not
> > > > raw meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the
> > > > stomach doesn't need such a strong acid barrier.
> > >
> > > The point was, what we evolved from.
> > >
> > > The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to
> > > reply to.
> >
> >
> > You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that
> > matters but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and
> > others did not that counts. If you want to eat like a
> > monkey go ahead but their diet certainly did not alow
> > them to evolve much as ours did thanks to animal foods.
>
> No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says,
> we primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the
> diet with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated
> by recent studies and does not help people lose weight
> over the longer term.

Do you animal rights fanatics know how amuzing you are?
Would be even more amusing if you did no do so much harm
with the lies and distortions you spout out. Is it even
possible for you people to seek out or accept rational
unbiased true information?

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:41:06 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:

>
>"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6eb8f6eb.0407041026.6cfdf3fe@posting.google.com...
>> "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in
>> message
>news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin-
>k.net>...
>> > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com...
>> > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
>> > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but
>> > > >Atkins? Humans have
>> > always
>> > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway.
>> > > >
>> > > >From
>> > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm
>> > > >
>> > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet?
>> > > >
>> >
>> > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as
>> > > >plant eaters.
>> > >
>> > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for
>> > > 6 months and then come back here and tell us that.
>> >
>> > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on
>> > grass?
>> >
Well, in the nature documentaries I've seen showing
gorillas, they are often picking leaves off trees and eating
them. I don't know whether they can subsist on leaves and
grass alone, but they certainly appear to be able to eat
large quantites of leaves without any problems.

>> > >
>> > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore
>> > > >type jaws or
>teeth
>> > of
>> > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it
>> > > >apart. We have 32
>teeth,
>> > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward
>> > > >meat eating.
>> > >
>> > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with
>> > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our
>> > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the
>> > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing
>> > > this, you should try it some time.
>> >
>> > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you
>> > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters.
>> >
The very first animals must have been herbivores, since it
is impossible to be a carnivore if there aren't any other
animals to eat. So all carnivores ultimately evolved from
herbivores. Doh!

[...]
>
>No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says,
>we primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the diet
>with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated by
>recent studies and does not help people lose weight over
>the longer term.
>
What studies? As I understand it, the latest position on fat
is that unsaturated fats are beneficial while saturated fats
are neutral in terms of health. A lot of the earlier studies
that seemed to show that saturated fat was harmful were
using hydrogenated vegetable oils. We now know that
hydrogenated vegetable oil contains a lot of unnatural
"trans" fats, which causes the health problems that were
being blamed on saturated fats. The fat in meat is a mixture
of saturated and unsaturated fats, it is beneficial to your
health not harmful.

Animal proteins are essential to health, plant-sourced
proteins are deficient in a number of amino acids that
the human body can't manufacture. There are millions of
people in Africa who cannot afford meat and so are forced
to eat a vegetarian diet. Many of them develop
kwashiorkor as a result.

Consuming excessive quantities of carbohydrate (the primary
component of plant-based food) is definitely harmful. The
carbohydrate is absorbed into the body in the form of
glucose, forcing a rise in blood sugar. In response, the
pancreas secretes more insulin, which encourages cells to
take up glucose until the blood sugar level is brought back
down. If you are doing a lot of exercise, the cells
absorbing that glucose will be muscle cells and there won't
be a problem. However, if you lead a sedentary lifestyle,
fat cells will absorb it and convert it into fat instead.
When chronically overstimulated with insulin, these fat
cells become less and less sensitive to it and as a result
the pancreas has to secrete more and more of it to bring
blood sugar under control. This condition is known as
insulin resistance. After a few years of doing this, the insulin-
producing cells start to burn out and the result is type 2
diabetes. I think the fact that obesity and type 2 diabetes
are now so common in westernised countries is largely
because people are eating less meat and more plant-sourced,
processed food than before.

For us, meat and fat are good, while too much carbohydrate
is definitely harmful.

Hugh