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I was curious, so I did a SamSpade lookup and found this:
Server Used: [ whois.godaddy.com ]
http://www.pillsupplier.com/ = [ 67.15.38.23 ] Registrant:
Domains by Proxy Inc. Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: PILLSUPPLIER.COM Domain servers in listed
order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM For
complete domain details go to:
but domain details are not available.
I then used SamSpade tools, and pinged it:
07/03/04 09:31:49 ping PILLSUPPLIER.COM Ping failed,
no such host
most interesting...why go through such lengths to conceal
their identity?
Their site does not have any street address, phone number,
etc. to contact them.
Anyone who deals with such a company is, IMNSHO, a fool.
Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite
160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com Domain Name:
PILLSUPPLIER.COM Created on: 08-Sep-03 Expires on: 08-Sep-
04 Last Updated on: 06-May-04
Administrative Contact: Private, Registration
PILLSUPPLIER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy,
Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale,
Arizona 85260 United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- Technical Contact: Private,
Registration
PILLSUPPLIER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by
Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
(481) 624-2599 Fax --
Domain servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
=============================
IP Address...........................................
--- performing WHOIS on "67.15.38.23", please wait...
--- contacting server whois.arin.net
--- smart query on "67.15.38"
OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US
NetRange: 67.15.0.0 - 67.15.111.255
CIDR: 67.15.0.0/18, 67.15.64.0/19, 67.15.96.0/20
NetName: EVRY-BLK-15
NetHandle: NET-67-15-0-0-1
Parent: NET-67-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-02-06
Updated: 2004-04-07
TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net
OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net
OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net
OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-07-02 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
07-02-04@lymbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:HGyFc.20701$aM4.5345103@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> I was curious, so I did a SamSpade lookup and found this:
>
> Server Used: [ whois.godaddy.com ]
>
> http://www.pillsupplier.com/ = [ 67.15.38.23 ]
> Registrant: Domains by Proxy Inc. Registered through:
> GoDaddy.com Domain Name: PILLSUPPLIER.COM Domain servers
> in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
> For complete domain details go to:
>
> but domain details are not available.
>
> I then used SamSpade tools, and pinged it:
>
> 07/03/04 09:31:49 ping PILLSUPPLIER.COM Ping failed, no
> such host
>
> most interesting...why go through such lengths to conceal
> their identity?
>
> Their site does not have any street address, phone number,
> etc. to contact them.
>
> Anyone who deals with such a company is, IMNSHO, a fool.
>
These guys are good at hiding.
I hope that everyone, altie and real, can agree that any
outfit that goes to the lengths that they do is up to no
good and should not be supported.
"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:kKzFc.19394$Oq2.14310@attbi_s52...
>
>
> Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd.,
> Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
>
> Registered through: GoDaddy.com Domain Name:
> PILLSUPPLIER.COM Created on: 08-Sep-03 Expires on: 08-Sep-
> 04 Last Updated on: 06-May-04
>
> Administrative Contact: Private, Registration
> PILLSUPPLIER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy,
> Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale,
> Arizona 85260 United States
> (480) 624-2599 Fax -- Technical Contact: Private,
> Registration
> PILLSUPPLIER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by
> Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
> PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
> (480) 624-2599 Fax --
>
> Domain servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
> NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
> =============================
>
> IP Address...........................................
>
> --- performing WHOIS on "67.15.38.23", please wait...
>
> --- contacting server whois.arin.net
>
> --- smart query on "67.15.38"
>
>
>
> OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
>
> OrgID: EVRY
>
> Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
>
> Address: Suite 500
>
> City: Houston
>
> StateProv: TX
>
> PostalCode: 77098
>
> Country: US
>
> NetRange: 67.15.0.0 - 67.15.111.255
>
> CIDR: 67.15.0.0/18, 67.15.64.0/19, 67.15.96.0/20
>
> NetName: EVRY-BLK-15
>
> NetHandle: NET-67-15-0-0-1
>
> Parent: NET-67-0-0-0-0
>
> NetType: Direct Allocation
>
> NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
>
> NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
>
> Comment:
>
> RegDate: 2004-02-06
>
> Updated: 2004-04-07
>
> TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
>
> TechName: Williams, Randy
>
> TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
>
> TechEmail: admin@ev1.net
>
> OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
>
> OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
>
> OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
>
> OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net
>
> OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
>
> OrgNOCName: NOC
>
> OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
>
> OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net
>
> OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
>
> OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
>
> OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
>
> OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net
>
> OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
>
> OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
>
> OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
>
> OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net
>
> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-07-02 19:10
>
> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS
> # database.
>
> --- connection closed
>
>
>
>
>
> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
> P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-02-04@lymbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:HGyFc.20701$aM4.5345103@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > I was curious, so I did a SamSpade lookup and
> > found this:
> >
> > Server Used: [ whois.godaddy.com ]
> >
> > http://www.pillsupplier.com/ = [ 67.15.38.23 ]
> > Registrant: Domains by Proxy Inc. Registered through:
> > GoDaddy.com Domain Name: PILLSUPPLIER.COM Domain
> > servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
> > NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM For complete domain details go to:
> >
> > but domain details are not available.
> >
> > I then used SamSpade tools, and pinged it:
> >
> > 07/03/04 09:31:49 ping PILLSUPPLIER.COM Ping failed, no
> > such host
> >
> > most interesting...why go through such lengths to
> > conceal their
identity?
> >
> > Their site does not have any street address, phone
> > number, etc. to
contact
> > them.
> >
> > Anyone who deals with such a company is, IMNSHO, a fool.
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/pubarticles/online_pharmacy.html
http://www.fda.gov/oc/buyonline/default.htm
http://www.ncsl.org/statefed/health/olpharm.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/07/pharma.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/07/iog.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/03/onlinepharm.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opp/ecommerce/anticompetitive/panel/-
condon.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/03/030327internetprescriptions.p-
df
http://www.ftc.gov/os/testimony/106hearings.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/privacyinitiatives/promises_-
press.html
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-02-04@lymbercartel.com> wrote in message news:<k2AFc.21635$aM4.5609642@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
> These guys are good at hiding.
>
> I hope that everyone, altie and real, can agree that any
> outfit that goes to the lengths that they do is up to no
> good and should not be supported.
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/PharmacyPrivacy.htm
This online pharmacy was reported by this study:
Study Finds No Privacy Rights at Many Online Pharmacies By
Mark Hochhauser, Ph.D. Readability Consultant 3344 Scott
Avenue North Golden Valley, MN 55422 Phone: 763-521-4672
Fax: 763-521-5069 E-mail: MarkH38514@aol.com
Posted on web site of Privacy Rights Clearinghouse,
www.privacyrights.org
June 29, 2004 Summary
Visits to 50 online US pharmacies in mid-April 2004 found
only 9 (18%) with HIPAA Privacy Notices, 15 (30%) with
website privacy notices, and 7 (14%) with both p\rivacy
notices for their customers. Five (10%) were certified by
VIPPS (Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites) through
the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy
(www.nabp.net/index.asp). Privacy Missing from Most Online
Pharmacy Reports
Although the Federal Trade Commission's (FTC) 1999
Congressional testimony identified several problems with
online pharmacies, privacy was not one of them. Issues of
online privacy—and spam—were not the important customer or
regulatory issues that they are now.
(www.ftc.gobv/opa/1999/07/pharma.htm) However, online
pharmacy privacy issues were raised in the FTC's July 2000
report, which found several online pharmacies not adhering
to their privacy and confidentiality assurances
(www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/07/iog.htm). Pharmacy owners were
prohibited by the FTC from: "selling, renting, leasing,
transferring or disclosing the personal information that was
collected from their customers without express authorization
from the customer." In addition, the FTC required the
defendants to post a privacy policy describing the personal
identifying information they collected and used, and how
their customers could access, review, modify or delete their
personal information. Four years after that FTC settlement,
most online pharmacies still don't meet these privacy policy
criteria. A 2000 article in FDA Consumer
(www.fda/gov/fdac/features/2000/100_online.html) identified
problems such as sites outside the USA selling unapproved
products, or not requiring contact with a physician or a
prescription. But the article did not address privacy
issues. (Although I assume that the online pharmacy sites I
reviewed were in the United States, many may have been
located outside the country. However, since most did not
have a postal address or phone number, I had no way of
determining their actual location.) The FDA's 2001 "Buying
Prescription Medicines Online: A Consumer Safety Guide"
(www.fda.gov/cder/drug/consumer/buyonline.guide.htm) noted
the "lack of assurance of confidentiality and security
issues" as a potential risk. FDA recommended that consumers
"Look for easy-to-find and understand privacy and security
policies," and that consumers should not "provide any
personally identifiable information (social security number,
credit card, and health history) unless you are confident
that the site will protect them. Make sure the site does not
share your information with others without your permission."
But another FDA guide, "Buying Medicine and Medical Products
Online," says nothing about consumer privacy.
(www.fda.gov/buyonline/default.htm) In a March 2004 press
release, "Drugstore.com Warns Against the Growing Dangers of
Pharmacies Outside US.; Consumers Urged to Seek the VIPPS
Seal of Approval before Buying Prescriptions Online," the
company warned that buying from online pharmacies "…could
seriously increase the risk of receiving counterfeit
medicine, incorrect dosages, improperly stored medications,
or expired, contaminated or recalled medications. In
addition, consumers patronizing overseas pharmacies may be
unaware that their private medical information is not
protected by the strict HIPAA regulations that govern
privacy of both paper-based and electronic medical
information in the U.S." (http://home.businesswire.com/port-
al/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=
news_view&newsId=20040330006008&newsLang=en) Privacy,
Business, and Spam
While a November 2003 article in Business Week analyzed the
future business possibilities of online pharmacies, it did
not mention privacy issues and their business implications.
(http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2003/tc2-
0031125_2272_tc136.htm) A January 2004 Associated Press
report listed the 10 most common spam topics as reported by
America Online. Number 1 was spam for drugs such
pharmacies. Since you have to buy the drugs at a pharmacy,
these are essentially the same ads. If you buy from an
online pharmacy, is your identifying information sold to
drug or other online pharmacy spammers? Are you at risk for
identity theft? Without privacy notices, customers have no
way of knowing how their personal, financial, and health
information is being used — and misused. (http://www.crn.co- (http://www.crn.co-/)
m/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?
Online Pharmacy Privacy Practices Online pharmacies with no
privacy protection
24. pillsupplier.com was not compliant
HIPAA Notice? NO Privacy Notice? NO VIPPS Certification? NO
So, it wasn't me that found that they offered no privacy
protection. It was as researcher in Minnesota.
Terry
WARNINING!!!! --- ONLINE PHARMACIES CAN BE DANGEROUS TO
YOUR HEALTH
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path=!business&s=1037645507703
Sunday, July 4, 2004 A Hard Dose Customers of online
pharmacies are warned of scams involving fake or
harmful drugs
By M. Paul Jackson JOURNAL REPORTER
Kristi Vlahos, a pharmacist at the Jonestown Pharmacy in Winston-
Salem, is used to seeing scams come across her counter.
The last one, an advertisement faxed to her pharmacy,
advertised a birth-control patch. The patch, which is worn
on a patients' body, functions much like a birth-control
pill and can control a woman's ovulation cycle.
But if a patient orders the medication - available over the
Internet from an offshore drug retailer - the package
usually contains no medication, leaving patients tricked
into buying a worthless product, Vlahos said.
"You have to be absolutely positive" about ordering drugs
online, she said. "Anybody can make a Web site and send out
a bunch of spam."
Vlahos isn't the only person warning customers about online
drug scams.
As more and more consumers turn to the Internet to do their
shopping, a host of online pharmaceutical scams are leaving
more patients at risk of receiving possibly dangerous drugs,
officials say.
According to the U.S. General Accounting Office, drugs
bought online from other countries - including Argentina,
Spain, Thailand, Pakistan and Turkey - are more likely to
contain harmful substances or inadequate instructions than
those purchased in the United States or Canada. Last month,
the GAO released a study about online drug sales.
Kristi Vlahos' husband Ike, a co-owner of the pharmacy,
agreed. Internet scams "are all over the place," he said.
"It's a risk out there that people don't really realize."
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has begun
sending informational fliers to drugstores, warning
customers that the drugs they purchase online might be fake
or have dangerous side effects. Vlahos received her warning
fliers about a month ago, she said.
Online pharmaceutical shopping is nothing new. Customers
began turning to the Internet for drugs in the late 1990s.
The service allows customers to shop virtually around the
clock and easily compare prices from multiple outlets.
Because online drugstores have less overhead, prices are
typically cheaper.
About 9 million people bought or refilled a drug
prescription over the Internet last year, according to
Manhattan Research, a health-care marketing research company
in New York. Overall, about 26 million people used the
Internet for drug information in 2003, more than double the
amount that did so in 2002, according to the company.
Some online-dedicated companies do charge less than the
national drug outlets' online service.
CVS.com, the drug retailer's online service, sells a 20-mg
bottle of Cialis for about $66 for 6 tablets - about $11
a pill. In contrast, Cutprice12.com, an online drug
retailer, sells the same drug for about $9
Similarly, Eckerd.com offers a 25-mg prescription of Vioxx,
a popular medication for arthritis, for about $268 for 100
pills. Cutprice12.com offers 120 pills for about $150,
according to the site.
Cutprice12.com, whose ads can frequently show up in a
consumer's e-mail inbox, does not require a prescription
from a doctor.
Under federal law, it is illegal to dispense prescription
drugs without a valid prescription and to ship drugs that
are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration
In the GAO study, federal officials ordered about 11
drugs from 68 Web sites, including overseas, U.S. and
Canadian sites.
About 24 national and 21 foreign Web sites did not require
prescriptions, and none of the foreign sites included
pharmacy labels instructing customers about proper use of
their medications, according to the agency. About six orders
were never even received despite prepayment.
"It's a 'buyer beware' situation," said David Work, the
executive director of the N.C. Board of Pharmacy, which
investigates cases of online drug fraud.
"As people get more and more comfortable on the Internet,
this kind of thing could increase,"he said. "I don't
think the public realizes how much they depend on
prescription drugs."
Others agreed. Mike Blankenship, a pharmacist at Andrews
Pharmacy in Winston-Salem, said that some consumers can be
tricked into ordering products that contain no medication,
such as a scam involving Lipitor, a drug for managing
cholesterol. For many patients, buying drugs online is
similar to using tobacco, Blankenship said. "They know it's
not the absolute best thing in the world, but they're using
it anyway."
To be sure, online-pharmacy companies do represent growing
competition for the traditional brick-and-mortar pharmacy.
Apart from lower prices, buying drugs online is also
convenient, especially for patients in rural areas who may
have limited access to pharmacies, said Erika Fishman, a
company senior analyst for Manhattan Research.
Online sales are increasing "because consumers are taking
advantage of international markets," Fishman said.
Ironically, those are the markets that seem to be scamming
customers the most. Joyce Tipton, the assistant director of
pharmacy for Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center,
said that some online drugstores are legitimate, but she
warned consumers that many others are not.
"There's no guarantee they may be getting the real
drug," she said.
The National Association of Boards of Pharmacy maintains a
certified list of licensed pharmacies, called the Verified
Internet Pharmacies List, that legally sell drugs online.
That list is available on the association's Web site.
Work also suggested that the federal government begin
to punish shipping companies who willingly deliver
illegal drugs.
But if the online drugs are cheaper, can the industry expect
a halt to the practice? Work says no.
He acknowledged that shoppers can save money online, but
cautioned that the savings are not worth the risk.
"We're approaching this from a health and safety issue," he
said, "and in this case, it is definitely a safety issue."
M. Paul Jackson can be reached at 727-7473 or at
mjackson@wsjournal.com
info@healthwatcher.net (Terry Polevoy) wrote in message
news:<d0acb77d.0407031658.18354adc@posting.google.com>...
> http://www.expertlaw.com/library/pubarticles/online_pharm-
> acy.html
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/buyonline/default.htm
>
> http://www.ncsl.org/statefed/health/olpharm.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/07/pharma.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/07/iog.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/03/onlinepharm.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/opp/ecommerce/anticompetitive/panel/co-
> ndon.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/03/030327internetprescript-
> ions.pdf
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/os/testimony/106hearings.htm
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/privacyinitiatives/promises_pr-
> ess.html
"Terry Polevoy" <info@healthwatcher.net> wrote in message
news:d0acb77d.0407040500.5308dcfd@posting.google.com...
> WARNINING!!!! --- ONLINE PHARMACIES CAN BE DANGEROUS TO
> YOUR HEALTH
>
>
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MGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031776480752&-
path=!business&s=1037645507703
Even Hulda Clark and Jan Drew should be concerned with this.
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