Sensations of diabetes II

[Szaki]

If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry mouth.
If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
slowness, mind slows down. How about others?

JS

[Cheri]

Same here. Add headache, sweatiness, and burning feet when
over 300 as well. Thankfully it doesn't happen that often
anymore.YMMV

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Szaki wrote in message ...
>If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry mouth.
>If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy, slowness, mind
slows
>down.
>How about others?
>
>JS

[Jennifer]

Szaki...

Are you a T1 or T2?

If your BGs are going over 300 and over 200 on a regular
basis, you need to reassess your diabetic plan.

I can't answer your question, because my BGs haven't gone
that high since I was diagnosed.

Here's the advice I give all those who want to get a handle
on their disease:

Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your
diabetes... good for you.

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your
meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to
experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just how your
body and this disease are getting along. The most important
thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is
test test test.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some
of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
- 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are
somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be
handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But
we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to
find our own path, using the experience of those that went
before, but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR
bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own
what works best for us. You can use our experiences as
jumping off points, but eventually you'll work up a
successful plan that is yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods
affect you. As I'm sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars,
wheat, rice... the things our Grandmas called "starches")
raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do
raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if
you're a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may
take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but
write it all down. Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
each meal At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a
higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products,
potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test
at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty
damn good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them
affecting your meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in
common and we need to follow certain guidelines... in
the end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and
our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater
chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key
here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point
in their disease... and it is progressive. But, if we aim
for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
best shot at heath we've got. That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-
diabetic numbers.

FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after
meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after
meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important
numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the
most indicative of future complications, especially
heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your
diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is
not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your
body and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor will.
Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods
cause cravings... Use your body as a science experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer

Szaki wrote:

> If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
> slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
>
> JS

[Pinecone]

"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01>...
> If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
> slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
>
> JS

I feel like my mind clicks off when my bg goes in the low
90s and downward and I get "stupid" and can't think at all.
If my bg goes over 200 I start to feel so overwhelmingly
sleepy I want to just drop over where I sit or stand--
slowness is an understatement. I've learned that 2 foods
that run my bg high are pasta and rice, so I've started
avoiding them except in very small quantities.

--pc

[Simm Webb]

Since you are the same person who denounced others and
myself earlier, I am questioning your very questions, and
some of your subsequent answers. Are you genuine, or are you
just trying to "Be Just One Of the Guys"?

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:01:11 GMT, "Szaki"
<szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:

>If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
>mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
>slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
>
>JS
>

Grateful to be back.

Eddie MD OTF

[Julie Bove]

"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01...
> If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
> slowness, mind slows down. How about others?

I've never been >300. If I go much >150, symptoms of
neuropathy kick in. That's no fun. I do what I can not to
reach those numbers.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Szaki]

Thank you all, for the very educational respons about
diabetes, it keeps me focused on my disease. Being healty
most of my life, it's hard to except it and live with it.

JS

"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01...
> If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
> slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
>
> JS

[Szaki]

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10 yeas ago, first time I went to the doctor. , because I
had lot of = upset stomach, headaches and my legs were
hurting, my feet would cramp = at night, doc ordered me
rubber socks to wear. He done a blood test and = my fasting
BG was 145, all he said, I should go on a bit of diet, to =
lower it, back than I didn't know any thing about
diabetes.=20

No medication or warning that I'm a pre-diabetic. Now, the
last few = years I'm a Type II, BG jumping between 200-300
or more if not = controlled with food intake and exercise.
Medication is only a 20% help. =

Meds I'm taking: Tolazamide 500mg 3x1 / day Metaformin 500mg
3x1 /day Gemfibrozil 600mg 2x1 /day Actos 15 mg 1/day
Lisinopril 5 mg 1/day Tricor 54mg/ 3x1 / day

JS

"Cheri" <gservice@inreachnogarbage.com> wrote in message =
news:Z-idndpQGZPl6kHdRVn-gQ@inreach.com...
> Same here. Add headache, sweatiness, and burning feet when
> over 300 as well. Thankfully it doesn't happen that often
> anymore.YMMV
>=20
> --
> Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.
>=20
> Szaki wrote in message ...
> >If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> >mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired,
> >stuffy, slowness, mind
> slows
> >down. How about others?
> >
> >JS
> >
> >
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[Szaki]

T2, according to Doc.

Measured my BG this morning at 10:30AM ( 279 ) Had 2 slice
low-carb bread (11gr carb/slice) with some butter and
coffee, splenda sweetener. Took medication. Measured BG
latter at 01:00PM ( 329 ). Don't look good. I'm not eating
any thing now. I'm pissed. I'll go to bicycle.

JS

"Jennifer" <jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2k3ci5F17tc4oU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Szaki...
>
> Are you a T1 or T2?
>
> If your BGs are going over 300 and over 200 on a regular
> basis, you need to reassess your diabetic plan.
>
> I can't answer your question, because my BGs haven't gone
> that high since I was diagnosed.
>
> Here's the advice I give all those who want to get a
> handle on their disease:
>
> Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your
> diabetes...
good
> for you.
>
> There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
> anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war,
> your meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to
> experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just how your
> body and this disease are getting along. The most
> important thing you can do to learn about yourself and
> diabetes is test test test.
>
> The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
>
> What do I eat?
>
> Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
>
> What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
> can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some
> of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a
> high complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything
> over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others
> are somewhere in between.
>
> At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to
> be handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health.
> But we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us
> had to find our own path, using the experience of those
> that went before, but still having to discover for
> ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.
>
> Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our
> own what works
best
> for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points,
> but eventually you'll work up a successful plan that is
> yours alone.
>
> What you are looking to discover is how different foods
> affect you. As
I'm
> sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice...
> the things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood
> sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them,
> but not as high and much more slowly... so if
you're
> a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take
> care of the
rise.
>
> You might want to try some experiments.
>
> First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but
> write it all down. Test yourself at the following times:
>
> Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
> each meal At bedtime
>
> That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
> how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and
> how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a
> meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a
> higher reading.
>
> Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
> Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat
> products, potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from
> veggies. Test at the same schedule above.
>
> If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty
> damn good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
>
> Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see
> them affecting your meter.
>
> The thing about this disease... though we share much in
> common and we need to follow certain guidelines... in the
> end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and our
> success.
>
> The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater
> chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key
> here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different
> point in their disease... and it is
progressive.
> But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we
> give ourselves the best shot at heath we've got. That's
> all we can do.
>
> Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-
> diabetic
numbers.
>
> FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours
> after meals under 120
>
> or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
>
> Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours
> after meals Under 6.5
>
> Recent studies have indicated that the most important
> numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the
> most indicative of future complications, especially heart
> problems.
>
> Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your
> diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it
> is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about
> your body and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor
> will. Your meter is your best weapon.
>
> Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
> anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
> TEST TEST TEST. Learn
what
> foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your
> body as a
science
> experiment.
>
> You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
> control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
> After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits
> all around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll
> soon discover the plan that works for you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> Szaki wrote:
>
> > If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> > mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired,
> > stuffy, slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
> >
> > JS
> >

[Szaki]

BG 90's? (-: I never go down that far, lucky if I get
under 200.

JS

Life sucks!

"pinecone" <poodlebreeze@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:7f2c4ed0.0406251515.2fa63ddf@posting.google.com...
> "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01>...
> > If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> > mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired,
> > stuffy, slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
> >
> > JS
>
> I feel like my mind clicks off when my bg goes in the low
> 90s and downward and I get "stupid" and can't think at
> all. If my bg goes over 200 I start to feel so
> overwhelmingly sleepy I want to just drop over where I sit
> or stand--slowness is an understatement. I've learned that
> 2 foods that run my bg high are pasta and rice, so I've
> started avoiding them except in very small quantities.
>
> --pc

[Szaki]

That maybe high Triglyceride or Cholesterol the cause. I had
the same, I was only able to stay up 4-5 hours daytime, than
had to nap or lay down. My brain was ****, couldn't think,
forget things a lot. Hard to focus on things. All ways
tired, at night would wake up 2-3 times or stay up, very
irregular sleeping habit. Than got this new meds month ago,
GEMFIBROZIL and ACTOS because my Triglyc. was 808, after
taking it felt better. My BG is still high, but I can go
through the day active now, sleep better. Few years ago, my
co-worker was complaining about tiredness, can't sleep at
night, not feeling good. He use to eat "IN and Out Burgers"
every day, breging about how good day are, better than
McDonalds. Than went to the doctor, he found out his
Cholesterol was too high, gave him meds, told him to diet
and exercise. After he felt good, he was sharp.

JS

"pinecone" <poodlebreeze@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:7f2c4ed0.0406251515.2fa63ddf@posting.google.com...
> "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01>...
> > If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> > mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired,
> > stuffy, slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
> >
> > JS
>
> I feel like my mind clicks off when my bg goes in the low
> 90s and downward and I get "stupid" and can't think at
> all. If my bg goes over 200 I start to feel so
> overwhelmingly sleepy I want to just drop over where I sit
> or stand--slowness is an understatement. I've learned that
> 2 foods that run my bg high are pasta and rice, so I've
> started avoiding them except in very small quantities.
>
> --pc

[Alan]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:41:46 -0400, Simm Webb <edvanhuffel@cox.net>
wrote:

>Since you are the same person who denounced others and
>myself earlier, I am questioning your very questions, and
>some of your subsequent answers. Are you genuine, or are
>you just trying to "Be Just One Of the Guys"?

Hi Eddie

Thx for asking the question; I was wondering too but giving
the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

[Patricia1966wa]

headache, sweatiness for me to, dizzy and silly.
"Cheri" <gservice@inreachnogarbage.com> wrote in message
news:Z-idndpQGZPl6kHdRVn-gQ@inreach.com...
> Same here. Add headache, sweatiness, and burning feet when
> over 300 as well. Thankfully it doesn't happen that often
> anymore.YMMV
>
> --
> Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.
>
> Szaki wrote in message ...
>>If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
>>mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired, stuffy,
>>slowness, mind
> slows
>>down. How about others?
>>
>>JS
>>
>

[Oldal4865]

szaki wrote in message ...
>T2, according to Doc.
>
>Measured my BG this morning at 10:30AM ( 279 ) Had 2 slice
>low-carb bread (11gr carb/slice) with some butter and
>coffee, splenda sweetener. Took medication. Measured BG
>latter at 01:00PM ( 329 ). Don't look good. I'm not eating
>any thing now. I'm pissed. I'll go to bicycle.
>
>JS

That is a T1-type response to carb.

Expected Rise:

22 gram carb x 3 mg/dL per gram carb = 66 mg/dL

Expected Final bG:

279 mg/dL+ 66 mg/dL = 345 mg/dL

If this happens more than once or twice a month, you could
improve your long term health prospects by having some
insulin around.

I can go from 329 to 129 in an hour, e.g.

(empty stomach + Humalog injection + stationary
bike exercise)

T2 who shoot long-lasting insulin at bedtime don't expect to
see 279 mg/dL FbG.

Regards
Old Al

[Alan]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:11:17 GMT, "szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:

>T2, according to Doc.
>
>Measured my BG this morning at 10:30AM ( 279 ) Had 2 slice
>low-carb bread (11gr carb/slice) with some butter and
>coffee, splenda sweetener. Took medication. Measured BG
>latter at 01:00PM ( 329 ). Don't look good. I'm not eating
>any thing now. I'm pissed. I'll go to bicycle.
>
>JS

Hi JS

Bicycling is good there. Now go back and read what she said,
then decide whether you're going to have carbs or protein
next time your BGs start that high. You can eat, but 22gms
of carb is not what I'd have eaten in that situation.
Jennifer's "test, test, test" advice works if you use it to
modify your diet.

Having said that, it won't work miracles. The time involved
and the starting BGs would have me back in the doc's office
discussing better treatment options. Are there other factors
- I saw your list of other meds - are other afflictions
involved, or obesity?

I know some of the posters here would be suggesting insulin
at those levels.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

[Oldal4865]

Szaki wrote in message ...
>BG 90's? (-: I never go down that far, lucky if I get
>under 200.
>
>JS

Sorry, IMO, your diabetic therapy is unacceptable.

I don't know what the problem is but you really need to be
normalized, then have your therapy sorted out.

Here is what a very aggressive doctor did to one of our
other posters who had problems like yours:

-----Original Message----- From: Gary Pewitt
<gpewitt@execpc.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes Date:
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Evesdropping at
the clinic

>. . .(snip). . . My doctor caught my diabetes on the first
> visit and had me in the hospital the same day for
> multiple tests including x-ray and ultrasound.

> My first test was 270. He had me on insulin, glyburide,
> and Avandia until my readings came down. After I gained
> control he discontinued the insulin and reduced my
> glyburide by half four times, discontinued the Avandia
> (due to swollen legs) and started me on Glucophage.
>
>. . .(snip)...
>
>Gary Type II for 3 years last A1C 5.2

Gary's doc gave him as much medicine as necessary to control
his blood sugars, normalized him, then figured out what kind
of treatment he needed, then eliminated the extra medicines
as they became unneeded. I suspect that you are in Glucose
Toxicity right now, just like Gary was, and need some
powerful treatment, up to and including temporary insulin to
get in control.

Those ultra-high triglycerides suggest ultra-high Insulin
Resistance. That means max doses of metformin and Actos if
necessary.

However, those wildly out-of-control blood sugars would
really benefit with some insulin therapy, just as Gary's doc
used. It doesn't have to be permanent but you can't tell
until your sugars are normalized.

You really need to get aggressive, even obstinate and
obstreperous to get the help you need.

Good Luck.

Regards
Old Al

[Pinecone]

"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<oS3Dc.97148$Hg2.64599@attbi_s04>...
> That maybe high Triglyceride or Cholesterol the cause. I
> had the same, I was only able to stay up 4-5 hours
> daytime, than had to nap or lay down. My brain was ****,
> couldn't think, forget things a lot. Hard to focus on
> things. All ways tired, at night would wake up 2-3 times
> or stay up, very irregular sleeping habit. Than got this
> new meds month ago, GEMFIBROZIL and ACTOS because my
> Triglyc. was 808, after taking it felt better. My BG is
> still high, but I can go through the day active now, sleep
> better. Few years ago, my co-worker was complaining about
> tiredness, can't sleep at night, not feeling good. He use
> to eat "IN and Out Burgers" every day, breging about how
> good day are, better than McDonalds. Than went to the
> doctor, he found out his Cholesterol was too high, gave
> him meds, told him to diet and exercise. After he felt
> good, he was sharp.

This is what's so amazing--my triglycerides are low, my
blood pressure is low, and the only thing that shows up is
high sugar and A1C numbers. I'm part of the lunatic fringe.
I feel a lot better with my sugar under control and I've
been exercising more, too.

--pinecone

> "pinecone" <poodlebreeze@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:7f2c4ed0.0406251515.2fa63ddf@posting.google.com...
> > "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<XD_Cc.181094$Ly.173868@attbi_s01>...
> > > If my BG goes over 300, I experiance sensation of dry
> > > mouth. If it goes over 200, I start to feel tired,
> > > stuffy, slowness, mind slows down. How about others?
> > >
> > > JS
> >
> > I feel like my mind clicks off when my bg goes in the
> > low 90s and downward and I get "stupid" and can't think
> > at all. If my bg goes over 200 I start to feel so
> > overwhelmingly sleepy I want to just drop over where I
> > sit or stand--slowness is an understatement. I've
> > learned that 2 foods that run my bg high are pasta and
> > rice, so I've started avoiding them except in very small
> > quantities.
> >
> > --pc

[Jerry'S Newsgro]

Al,

This is an interesting observation you have. Is it typical
to figure 3 mg/dl rise per carb consumed? Reason I ask is
that I am currently experiencing around 4-6 mg/dl rise per
carb now. Endo still insists that I am T2. My last C-peptide
indicated that I was producing insulin towards the low end
of the scale ie. I was about 1.2 on a normal scale of .9 to
something like 3 or 4. My endo says that because my FBG is
good (typically around 100) that I am not T1 nor do I need
insulin. I accomplish this with diet and exercise along with
2000 mg glucophage and 8 mg Avandia. My carb consumption is
around 50 grams/day now - down from about 80-100 a year ago.
I think I'm sliding towards T1 but, as I said, the endo is
not convinced.

I'm just looking for your observations and comments.

Thanks, Jerry

"oldal4865" <oldal4865@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2k3kl4F17j1erU1@uni-
berlin.de...
>
> That is a T1-type response to carb.
>
> Expected Rise:
>
> 22 gram carb x 3 mg/dL per gram carb = 66 mg/dL
>

>
> Regards
> Old Al
>

[Szaki]

Well, I think I had 3 slice, is that critical? I buy, most
of the time, "Sprouted Multi-Grain Salt Free" bread, 11gr
total carb/slice.

I had another meal, at 3pm, 3 slice of bread (11gr
carb/slice) and some "Lecso", cooked vegtables with
some eggs.

Measured my BG at 4pm, 1 hour later, it was (325) so it
didn't go up, since 1pm BG was ( 329).

Maybe the medication is kicking in, not sure? Didn't go
bicycling, it's too hot out there. I read some place, if BG
is over 200, not recommending exercise, it's too hard on
the heart.

I have Kaiser insurance, Ok, but one can only talk to an
answering machine. If I make an appointment, it takes 2
months to get one, unless it's emergency.

Talk to my doctor a few times, he keeps saying, have to diet
and exercise more. I diet all the time and exercise some.
One has to be an astronaut, too lower BG?

JS

"oldal4865" <oldal4865@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2k3kl4F17j1erU1@uni-
berlin.de...
>
> szaki wrote in message ...
> >T2, according to Doc.
> >
> >Measured my BG this morning at 10:30AM ( 279 ) Had 2
> >slice low-carb bread (11gr carb/slice) with some butter
> >and coffee, splenda sweetener. Took medication. Measured
> >BG latter at 01:00PM ( 329 ). Don't look good. I'm not
> >eating any thing now. I'm pissed. I'll go to bicycle.
> >
> >JS
>
> That is a T1-type response to carb.
>
> Expected Rise:
>
> 22 gram carb x 3 mg/dL per gram carb = 66 mg/dL
>
> Expected Final bG:
>
> 279 mg/dL+ 66 mg/dL = 345 mg/dL
>
> If this happens more than once or twice a month, you could
> improve your long term health prospects by having some
> insulin around.
>
> I can go from 329 to 129 in an hour, e.g.
>
> (empty stomach + Humalog injection + stationary
> bike exercise)
>
> T2 who shoot long-lasting insulin at bedtime don't expect
> to see 279 mg/dL FbG.
>
> Regards
> Old Al
>

[Szaki]

<<I saw your list of other
> meds - are other afflictions involved, or obesity>>

1 month ago, after my last blood test, triglycerids (
808mg/dl ) and cholesterol (243mg/dl) HDL 28mg/dl were high,
so Doc subscribed new meds, Actos for PIOGLITAZONE and
Gemfibrozil for LOPID. What ever they mean. Seems, I'm a
mess. Well, nobody lives for ever! It's the sign of the
inevitable.

JS

Life sucks!

"Alan" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
message news:m89pd0tp9v54psfnrmndb178ko4uuqkhkd@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:11:17 GMT, "szaki"
> <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >T2, according to Doc.
> >
> >Measured my BG this morning at 10:30AM ( 279 ) Had 2
> >slice low-carb bread (11gr carb/slice) with some butter
> >and coffee, splenda sweetener. Took medication. Measured
> >BG latter at 01:00PM ( 329 ). Don't look good. I'm not
> >eating any thing now. I'm pissed. I'll go to bicycle.
> >
> >JS
>
> Hi JS
>
> Bicycling is good there. Now go back and read what she
> said, then decide whether you're going to have carbs or
> protein next time your BGs start that high. You can eat,
> but 22gms of carb is not what I'd have eaten in that
> situation. Jennifer's "test, test, test" advice works if
> you use it to modify your diet.
>
> Having said that, it won't work miracles. The time
> involved and the starting BGs would have me back in the
> doc's office discussing better treatment options. Are
> there other factors - I saw your list of other meds - are
> other afflictions involved, or obesity?
>
> I know some of the posters here would be suggesting
> insulin at those levels.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
> to email.
> --
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.