My BG just wants to go up, up!!!
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Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour BG was (114),
great. After having a light diner, mixed vegtables, some broiled chicken,
took my medication, it spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting
till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this morning, BG measured
(168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no food
what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
(169), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they don't
eat, mine never
do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
serious insulin resistent or not producing any
insulin, or combination of both. I feel weakness in my
muscles offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the
same symptoms?
JS
Szaki wrote:
> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
> BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
> vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
> spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting till
> 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this morning, BG
> measured
> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
> mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> don't eat, mine never
> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> serious insulin resistent or not producing any insulin,
> or combination of both. I feel weakness in my muscles
> offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the same
> symptoms?
>
> JS
>
>
for god's sakes, man (or woman) get thee to a doctor! what
are you waiting for??
of COURSE others have experienced the same symptoms here.
that's part and parcel of DM.
call your doc!
dave
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:28:32 GMT, "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:
>Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
>BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
>vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
>spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting
>till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
>morning, BG measured
>(168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
> mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no food
> what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
>(192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> don't eat, mine never
>do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> serious insulin resistent or not producing any insulin,
> or combination of both. I feel weakness in my muscles
> offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the same
> symptoms?
>
>JS
>
Hi Szaki
Others here can give you the technical reasons on how your
body continues to release stored energy when you fast; I
just try to work with the practical side.
My experience has been that trying to beat this with fasting
just doesn't work. Additionally, "mixed veges" covers a
broad range - what were they? Treat the starches separately
from the other veges.
Just for one day, you could try an experiment. Work out what
you would normally eat in a day, then divide it into four
meals. The evening meal may still be the biggest but have at
least something for breakfast, preferably protein instead of
carbs - an egg, or some chicken or cold cuts. But eat
something, even if it is only a snack, at least every four
hours and test one and two hours after each meal. What have
you got to lose?
And start analysing your food more carefully to understand
what quantity of protein, fat, and carbs you are eating;
particularly carbs.
Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to
email.
--
Diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your
advisers carefully, because experience can be an
expensive teacher.
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
> BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
> vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
> spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later.
Fasting
> till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
> morning, BG measured
> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
> mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG
showed
> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> don't eat, mine never
> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> serious insulin
resistent
> or not producing any insulin, or combination of both. I
> feel weakness in my muscles offten, lack of energy too.
> Any one has the same symptoms?
See your Dr. All the whining in the world to us isn't going
to do anything to help your BG. Also, starving is not the
way to go because that will only raise your BG when your
liver dumps glucose. You need to eat something every 4-6
hours and a snack before bed. If your BG is too high, you
need to cut back on the carbs. Were there carbs in your
mixed veggies? Any sauce on the chicken? And why no fat? You
need to have a little fat with each meal.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
OK, I agree you ned to see a doctor abouit it, as has
already been suggested, but there is a hidden feature of
diabetes often missed or ignored that may ear on your
situation.
Dawn Phenomenon may well be confusing the picture in the
morning. Our bodies have a built in mechanism to give a
burst of energy when we get up in the morning (at least if
not diabetic). The liver releases stored glycogen in the wee
hours of the morning to give us enough energy to get moving
to the breakfast table. Us diabetics (whether Type 1 or 2)
therefore often have a high bg at waking, BUT if we don't
eat breakfast it will continue rising UNTIL we eat. At least
for most people.
Ted Quick
Szaki wrote:
> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
> BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
> vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
> spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting till
> 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this morning, BG
> measured
> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
> mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> don't eat, mine never
> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> serious insulin resistent or not producing any insulin,
> or combination of both. I feel weakness in my muscles
> offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the same
> symptoms?
>
> JS
Alan wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:28:32 GMT, "Szaki"
> <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
>>BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
>>vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
>>spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting till
>>10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this morning, BG
>>measured
>>(168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had a
>> mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
>> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
>>(192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
>> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
>> don't eat, mine never
>>do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
>> serious insulin resistent or not producing any insulin,
>> or combination of both. I feel weakness in my muscles
>> offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the same
>> symptoms?
>>
>>JS
>>
>
> Hi Szaki
>
> Others here can give you the technical reasons on how your
> body continues to release stored energy when you fast; I
> just try to work with the practical side.
>
> My experience has been that trying to beat this with
> fasting just doesn't work. Additionally, "mixed veges"
> covers a broad range - what were they? Treat the starches
> separately from the other veges.
>
> Just for one day, you could try an experiment. Work out
> what you would normally eat in a day, then divide it into
> four meals. The evening meal may still be the biggest but
> have at least something for breakfast, preferably protein
> instead of carbs - an egg, or some chicken or cold cuts.
> But eat something, even if it is only a snack, at least
> every four hours and test one and two hours after each
> meal. What have you got to lose?
>
> And start analysing your food more carefully to understand
> what quantity of protein, fat, and carbs you are eating;
> particularly carbs.
>
> Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
> to email.
why give nutritional advice when the poster needs first and
foremost to find out if they need a change in meds? Everyone
can't "eat" their way to good bg's. Medical intervention is
often needed, and I might add, often times overlooked, to
the detriment of the diabetic, until it's too late. Don't
YOU know anyone who's gone "un" or under-treated? Your going
over food suggestions is getting the proverbial cart before
the horse. The poster needs to be evaluated FIRST.
dave
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:21:29 GMT, Bay Area Dave <itsme@nn.com> wrote:
>Szaki wrote:
>
>> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
>> BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
>> vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
>> spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting
>> till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
>> morning, BG measured
>> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had
>> a mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
>> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
>> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
>> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
>> don't eat, mine never
>> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
>> serious insulin resistent or not producing any
>> insulin, or combination of both. I feel weakness in my
>> muscles offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the
>> same symptoms?
>>
>> JS
>>
>>
>for god's sakes, man (or woman) get thee to a doctor! what
>are you waiting for??
>
>of COURSE others have experienced the same symptoms here.
>that's part and parcel of DM.
>
>call your doc!
>
>dave
Dave has it right. You need a good diabetic doc
Find what is going on now. Guy
I'm not whining here, just trying to find out what others
have experiencing. That's why I'm writing down in details,
what I eat and measure. I was at the doctor a month ago, he
added to my medication Actos and Gemfibrozil for Lopid. Have
to go again in August for another blood test, wants to see
how these meds working. This is an N.G. for diabetes group,
we are here to talk about our experiances of our illness. I
never called any one here a whiner, because his post.
Julius
"Julie Bove" <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4skFc.15079$IQ4.2703@attbi_s02...
> > Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00
> > hour BG was (114), great. After having a light diner,
> > mixed vegtables, some broiled
chicken,
> > took my medication, it spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2
> > hours later.
> Fasting
> > till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
> > morning, BG measured
> > (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had
> > a mug of tea
with
> > Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no food what so ever,
> > till 13:17 , BG
> showed
> > (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> > seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> > don't eat, mine
never
> > do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> > serious insulin
> resistent
> > or not producing any insulin, or combination of both. I
> > feel weakness in my muscles offten, lack of energy too.
> > Any one has the same symptoms?
>
> See your Dr. All the whining in the world to us isn't
> going to do
anything
> to help your BG. Also, starving is not the way to go
> because that will
only
> raise your BG when your liver dumps glucose. You need to
> eat something every 4-6 hours and a snack before bed. If
> your BG is too high, you need
to
> cut back on the carbs. Were there carbs in your mixed
> veggies? Any sauce on the chicken? And why no fat? You
> need to have a little fat with each meal.
>
> --
> Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
The mixed veges I eat, 1/3 cup/13 gr carb, just looked it
the bag. I normally eat a 1 -1 1/2 cup of it. So that's 20-
25 gr carb total. Chicken is broiled, nothing was added.
Doctor or nutritionist all ways recommends vegetables to
eat, no potato, sugary fruits or juices. One good size
potato has 50-60gr carb. I know all that, I'm not stupid.
Juius
"Alan" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
message news:jinbe091jgqd3jufpkrkhnets9cbtmgcg1@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:28:32 GMT, "Szaki"
> <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
> >BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
> >vegtables, some broiled
chicken,
> >took my medication, it spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2
> >hours later.
Fasting
> >till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
> >morning, BG measured
> >(168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had
> > a mug of tea
with
> >Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no food what so ever, till
> >13:17 , BG
showed
> >(192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
> > seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
> > don't eat, mine never
> >do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> > serious insulin
resistent
> >or not producing any insulin, or combination of both. I
> >feel weakness in my muscles offten, lack of energy too.
> >Any one has the same symptoms?
> >
> >JS
> >
> Hi Szaki
>
> Others here can give you the technical reasons on how your
> body continues to release stored energy when you fast; I
> just try to work with the practical side.
>
> My experience has been that trying to beat this with
> fasting just doesn't work. Additionally, "mixed veges"
> covers a broad range - what were they? Treat the starches
> separately from the other veges.
>
> Just for one day, you could try an experiment. Work out
> what you would normally eat in a day, then divide it into
> four meals. The evening meal may still be the biggest but
> have at least something for breakfast, preferably protein
> instead of carbs - an egg, or some chicken or cold cuts.
> But eat something, even if it is only a snack, at least
> every four hours and test one and two hours after each
> meal. What have you got to lose?
>
> And start analysing your food more carefully to understand
> what quantity of protein, fat, and carbs you are eating;
> particularly carbs.
>
> Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
> to email.
> --
> Diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
> qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your
> advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive
> teacher.
>
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:34:30 -0400, "Julie Bove"
<jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:4skFc.15079$IQ4.2703@attbi_s02...
>> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
>> BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
>> vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
>> spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later.
>Fasting
>> till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
>> morning, BG measured
>> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had
>> a mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
>> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG
>showed
>> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
>> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
>> don't eat, mine never
>> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
>> serious insulin
>resistent
>> or not producing any insulin, or combination of both. I
>> feel weakness in my muscles offten, lack of energy too.
>> Any one has the same symptoms?
>
>See your Dr. All the whining in the world to us isn't going
>to do anything to help your BG. Also, starving is not the
>way to go because that will only raise your BG when your
>liver dumps glucose.
Why do you regard his post as "whining"?
That is a bit unreasonable. He doesn't seem to be able to
see a Doctor at will, has limited access, possibly for
financial constraints, and to regard someone as whining
under those circumstances is a very poor attitude to have in
a support group.
He needs advice in some obvious areas, he has often been
told he needs more medical intervention, hasn't got it
yet, so enlightening him regarding errors in his
assumptions about controlling BG's with food is about the
only useful support anyone can give at the moment. He does
seem to respond to suggestions regarding things that he
can do himself.
> You need to eat something every 4-6 hours and a snack
> before bed. If your BG is too high, you need to cut back
> on the carbs. Were there carbs in your mixed veggies? Any
> sauce on the chicken? And why no fat? You need to have a
> little fat with each meal.
This part of your post would have been much more acceptable
if not following a slur on his manner.
Regards
David
Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:21:29 GMT, Bay Area Dave
> <itsme@nn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Szaki wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00 hour
>>>BG was (114), great. After having a light diner, mixed
>>>vegtables, some broiled chicken, took my medication, it
>>>spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2 hours later. Fasting
>>>till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
>>>morning, BG measured
>>>(168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and had
>>> a mug of tea with Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no
>>> food what so ever, till 13:17 , BG showed
>>>(192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up! I
>>> seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if they
>>> don't eat, mine never
>>>do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
>>> serious insulin resistent or not producing any
>>> insulin, or combination of both. I feel weakness in my
>>> muscles offten, lack of energy too. Any one has the
>>> same symptoms?
>>>
>>>JS
>>>
>>>
>>
>>for god's sakes, man (or woman) get thee to a doctor! what
>>are you waiting for??
>>
>>of COURSE others have experienced the same symptoms here.
>>that's part and parcel of DM.
>>
>>call your doc!
>>
>>dave
>
>
> Dave has it right. You need a good diabetic doc
>
> Find what is going on now. Guy
thank you Guy. I just HAD to post a rebuttal to Alan who is
focusing on FOOD suggestions. aaargh! That sort of "support"
just drives me nuts! It's all well and good that this is a
support group, but food suggestions when someone is out of
control is misplaced "help".
dave
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:30:47 GMT, Bay Area Dave <itsme@nn.com> wrote:
>why give nutritional advice when the poster needs first and
>foremost to find out if they need a change in meds?
>Everyone can't "eat" their way to good bg's. Medical
>intervention is often needed, and I might add, often times
>overlooked, to the detriment of the diabetic, until it's
>too late. Don't YOU know anyone who's gone "un" or under-
>treated? Your going over food suggestions is getting the
>proverbial cart before the horse. The poster needs to be
>evaluated FIRST.
>
>dave
Dave, if you read the other threads Szaki has posted in
you'll find that I, and others (Patch, Julie, OldAl), have
consistently advised seeing the doctor as soon as possible.
I can't see any problem in giving some nutritional ideas in
the interim nor do I see a need to say "see a doctor" in
every post I make to Szaki.
But, for your benefit and to reinforce it to Szaki:
From "Am I type I":
This is a question you should be asking your doctor. We may
have some different experiences and be able to offer some
ideas, but specific diagnosis like that is the doctor's job.
See the doc, have the tests done, follow their advice on
meds and insulin.
From "ginger roots":
You need to start fresh when looking at your diet, and you
will have to drop a lot of pre-conceptions. After you see
the doctor about your correct diagnosis and treatment.
HTH
Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
Looks like I'm annoying some people here with my posts. I
have Kaiser Ins. it is a good insurance, but it's not as
flexible like other plans. At Kaiser, doctors gets assigned
to me and I have to work with them. Other insurance's one
picks a doctor from an area close by, if I don't like it, go
to another one.
Julius
"J David Anderson" <jdavidanderson_@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:2kmb43F43bp8U1@uni-berlin.de...
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:34:30 -0400, "Julie Bove"
> <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:4skFc.15079$IQ4.2703@attbi_s02...
> >> Last night, after being out-door 5-6 hours, at 21:00
> >> hour BG was (114), great. After having a light diner,
> >> mixed vegtables, some broiled
chicken,
> >> took my medication, it spiked to (189) at 23:30, only 2
> >> hours later.
> >Fasting
> >> till 10:00AM, that's over 10 hours difference, this
> >> morning, BG
measured
> >> (168), down only (20) units. Took my Actos, 15mg and
> >> had a mug of tea
with
> >> Splenda, fasted for 2.5 hours, no food what so ever,
> >> till 13:17 , BG
> >showed
> >> (192), even higher. BG just wants to go up, up and up!
> >> I seen diebetics, whos BG goes down to (70) if
> >> they don't eat, mine
never
> >> do.I can starve all they and my BG goes up. I must be
> >> serious insulin
> >resistent
> >> or not producing any insulin, or combination of both. I
> >> feel weakness in my muscles offten, lack of energy too.
> >> Any one has the same symptoms?
> >
> >See your Dr. All the whining in the world to us isn't
> >going to do
anything
> >to help your BG. Also, starving is not the way to go
> >because that will
only
> >raise your BG when your liver dumps glucose.
>
> Why do you regard his post as "whining"?
>
> That is a bit unreasonable. He doesn't seem to be able to
> see a Doctor at will, has limited access, possibly for
> financial constraints, and to regard someone as whining
> under those circumstances is a very poor attitude to have
> in a support group.
>
> He needs advice in some obvious areas, he has often been
> told he needs more medical intervention, hasn't got it
> yet, so enlightening him regarding errors in his
> assumptions about controlling BG's with food is about the
> only useful support anyone can give at the moment. He does
> seem to respond to suggestions regarding things that he
> can do himself.
>
> > You need to eat something every 4-6 hours and a snack
> > before bed. If your BG is too high, you need
to
> >cut back on the carbs. Were there carbs in your mixed
> >veggies? Any
sauce
> >on the chicken? And why no fat? You need to have a little
> >fat with each meal.
>
> This part of your post would have been much more
> acceptable if not following a slur on his manner.
>
> Regards
>
> David
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:07:10 GMT, "Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:
>I'm not whining here, just trying to find out what others
>have experiencing. That's why I'm writing down in details,
>what I eat and measure. I was at the doctor a month ago,
>he added to my medication Actos and Gemfibrozil for Lopid.
>Have to go again in August for another blood test, wants
>to see how these meds working. This is an N.G. for
>diabetes group, we are here to talk about our experiances
>of our illness. I never called any one here a whiner,
>because his post.
>
The most value can be derived from reading the FAQ's and
then going to Google and do searches on ASD and MHD. YOu
pick a key word and will find plenty to read. I have spent
days there. Still have a lot of questions.
Understanding the insulin mechanisms and the glucose
mechanisms would help you. Understanding that the glucose
control mechanism is a closed loop system that has many
interactions is needed. I did not understand any of this
until I was 20 years into diabetes
Use the archives and after a while you will know a bit more
that is useful. I feel it is necessary to have more and more
knowledge. Diabetes is NOT one condition.
So you cannot expect us to give you definitive answers. It
requires a number of tests plus some common sense.
I went through a long period of very high 400-600 and it did
much harm. I did find out the answers here A lot is up to
you. Hope you become a good poster. Yes, diabetes is very
frustrating. You have to accept it. It was much worse before
the internet and these groups.were around. Guy
J David Anderson wrote:
> That is a bit unreasonable. He doesn't seem to be able to
> see a Doctor at will, has limited access, possibly for
> financial constraints,
>
> David
regarding his "access" to medical help, you are wrong; he
has Kaiser insurance. Not the best, but hey, some people
actually like it. (not me--been there; done that ;) )
Focusing on diets when the OP has already indicating his
starving is LUDICROUS!
did you miss the part when the OP said he can starve all day
(he wrote "they" but meant all "day")? That clearly means he
needs a doctor to prescribe or adjust meds or insulin.
DAVE
"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yUlFc.14569$%_6.2227@attbi_s01...
> I'm not whining here, just trying to find out what
> others have
experiencing.
> That's why I'm writing down in details, what I eat and
> measure. I was at the doctor a month ago, he added to my
> medication Actos and Gemfibrozil for Lopid. Have to go
> again in August for another blood test, wants to see how
> these meds working. This is an N.G. for diabetes group, we
> are here to talk about our experiances of our illness. I
> never called any one here a whiner, because his post.
You have posted repeatedly of high numbers. And yet you
haven't seen the
Dr. August is too long to wait! Go now! Those high numbers
are doing damage to your body. I have neuropathy. I can
tell you that you don't want
Ds. And you could get it if you continue on the path you
are on. Really, it doesn't matter what the rest of us
have experienced because each cause of diabetes is
different.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
"J David Anderson" <jdavidanderson_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2kmb43F43bp8U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> Why do you regard his post as "whining"?
Because he has posted the same thing over and over again.
His BG is too high! Many of us have told him to see his Dr.,
or even a different Dr., and yet he does not.
> That is a bit unreasonable. He doesn't seem to be able to
> see a Doctor at will, has limited access, possibly for
> financial constraints, and to regard someone as whining
> under those circumstances is a very poor attitude to have
> in a support group.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "whining", but there
is nothing any of us here can do for him. He continues to
have high BG and seems to be doing nothing about it except
for posting to us that it's still high.
>
> He needs advice in some obvious areas, he has often been
> told he needs more medical intervention, hasn't got it
> yet, so enlightening him regarding errors in his
> assumptions about controlling BG's with food is about the
> only useful support anyone can give at the moment. He does
> seem to respond to suggestions regarding things that he
> can do himself.
True. But he still needs to see a Dr. and I don't think he
should wait until August! If he can't actually go in and see
the Dr., he could at least call the Dr. I did that once when
my BG was out of control due to an infection. He told me to
come right in and gave me some samples of Starlix. Most Drs.
will provide help over the phone when they can.
>
> > You need to eat something every 4-6 hours and a snack
> > before bed. If your BG is too high, you need
to
> >cut back on the carbs. Were there carbs in your mixed
> >veggies? Any
sauce
> >on the chicken? And why no fat? You need to have a little
> >fat with each meal.
>
> This part of your post would have been much more
> acceptable if not following a slur on his manner.
I don't think it was a slur on his manner. But you're
entitled to your opinion.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> The mixed veges I eat, 1/3 cup/13 gr carb, just looked it
> the bag. I normally eat a 1 -1 1/2 cup of it. So that's
> 20-25 gr carb total. Chicken
is
> broiled, nothing was added. Doctor or nutritionist all
> ways recommends vegetables to eat, no potato, sugary
> fruits or juices. One good size potato has 50-60gr carb. I
> know all that, I'm not stupid.
If 1/3 cup has 13 g of carb, then 1 cup would have 39 g! If
you're eating 1
1/2 cups, then that could explain why you are having
trouble. Perhaps you should switch to something less
carby, like green beans. And add a bit of olive oil to
your veggies or chicken. You need fat to delay the
absorption of carbs.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
"Szaki" <szaki10@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yUlFc.14569$%_6.2227@attbi_s01...
> I'm not whining here, just trying to find out what
> others have
experiencing.
> That's why I'm writing down in details, what I eat and
> measure. I was at the doctor a month ago, he added to my
> medication Actos and Gemfibrozil for Lopid. Have to go
> again in August for another blood test, wants to see how
> these meds working. This is an N.G. for diabetes group, we
> are here to talk about our experiances of our illness. I
> never called any one here a whiner, because his post.
Julius, forgive my lack of knowledge about various meds, but
is Actos a diabetic med? I saw one post of yours where you
mentioned it, but I don't know it's function, so maybe you
could enlighten me?
If it's a diabetic med and it's not doing it's job properly,
it needs looking at sooner rather than later given your
erratic BG's.
Beav
You right, "see the Doctors", but Doctors are like car
mechanics, there are some good ones and there are some not
so caring. Good luck finding the good one. Right now I'm
working with this one, at Kaiser, this is the one I was
assigned to. As I seen on TV, one insurance CEO said, seems
$2500 is the magic number. Once the patients spends $2500,
they get suddenly cured, until patients are in the dark,
doing test after test, trying different meds.. In communist
countries use to be, where I grew up, if you get terminal
cancer, the doctor just send you home with some BS
medication, don't even tell you that. Only your relatives
see him next time, when he signs your death certificate.
Julius
"Alan" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
message news:s1pbe0p8728as1mjgjs0faqp8g58etu59k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:30:47 GMT, Bay Area Dave
> <itsme@nn.com> wrote:
>
> >why give nutritional advice when the poster needs first
> >and foremost to find out if they need a change in meds?
> >Everyone can't "eat" their way to good bg's. Medical
> >intervention is often needed, and I might add, often
> >times overlooked, to the detriment of the diabetic, until
> >it's too late. Don't YOU know anyone who's gone "un" or
> >under-treated? Your going over food suggestions is
> >getting the proverbial cart before the horse. The poster
> >needs to be evaluated FIRST.
> >
> >dave
>
> Dave, if you read the other threads Szaki has posted in
> you'll find that I, and others (Patch, Julie, OldAl), have
> consistently advised seeing the doctor as soon as
> possible. I can't see any problem in giving some
> nutritional ideas in the interim nor do I see a need to
> say "see a doctor" in every post I make to Szaki.
>
> But, for your benefit and to reinforce it to Szaki:
>
> From "Am I type I":
>
> This is a question you should be asking your doctor. We
> may have some different experiences and be able to offer
> some ideas, but specific diagnosis like that is the
> doctor's job. See the doc, have the tests done, follow
> their advice on meds and insulin.
>
> From "ginger roots":
>
> You need to start fresh when looking at your diet, and you
> will have to drop a lot of pre-conceptions. After you see
> the doctor about your correct diagnosis and treatment.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
> to email.
> --
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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