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Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't cook
with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot water
tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're curious
what RFC thinks...
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e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna tear up?"
- Carl, ATHF
byakee wrote:
>
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
It's been discussed before; me, I would not drink hot water
out of the tap. If nothing else it's probably been heated
and heated until it's flat. Yuck. I'm with your husband.
Well, not at this moment! (laugh)
nancy
byakee wrote:
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks.
Well that depends on your particular water tank, but I'd
guess that it is probably gross, not necessarily make you
sick gross, but gross enough. Besides, how hard is it to
boil water? Using hot from the tap doesn't save much time.
It isn't exactly the same thing, but imagine putting a pot
of water on the stove and heating it to 90 degrees, taking a
cup out now and then, replacing it with cold, never emptying
it, but just keeping it there for years on end while never
washing the pot. You want to drink out of it?
--Lia
>Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
>cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
>water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
>curious what RFC thinks...
>
> J.J.
Hubby is 100% correcto mundo.
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byakee <byakee@coldmail.com> wrote:
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
Its not so much the water heater's tank, its that hot water
can cause dirt and sentiment from pipes to disolve slightly
and come out of the tape with the water.
"byakee" wrote in message
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
>
I run the cold water for a short time then use cold water.
I once made the mistake of taking a drink from the hot
water faucet (before the water got hot). Try it - you'll
see what I mean.
Dora
"byakee" <byakee@COLDmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
>
>
> --
> J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ (COLD to HOT
> for e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna
> tear up?"
> - Carl, ATHF
You might point out to him that all that "gross" stuff in
the hot water tank is in the hot water tank and not in the
water. It is however still in the cold water. That "gross"
stuff is just minerals anyway.
Kathy
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:11:56 GMT, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) wrote:
>Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
>cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
>water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
>curious what RFC thinks...
Funny the ideas people have about what comes out of their
taps. It's water like one might bring up from a well in the
back yard, except usually treated to kill disease organisms
and filtered enough to keep out the large rocks. It's not
sterile or boiled or distilled, or mineral-free. Cold or
hot, it's been through miles of skanky old pipes. The
*least* of your problems is what it might pick up in your
home hot water tank.
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:11:56 +0000, byakee wrote:
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
Makes no difference whatsoever as far as the health
issues are concerned. Unless you have ancient piping with
lead solder, and even then, your water heater is most
likely glass lined, and the piping will be the same for
both hot and cold.
Water has chlorine in it; that kills most of the bad
critters. Perhaps it does taste flat; I'd venture to guess
that's because the dissolved oxygen has been driven off by
the heat. Try drinking some cold water you heated in a pan;
it will taste the same. Or let a glass of hot water stand
until it cools off, then shake it and taste it (cover it
first, though.....)
Anyway, health concerns about what's coming out of your
faucet are pretty mild compared to all the other issues we
have with health.
By comparison, your water heater may be 5 years old. The
pipes running to your house may be 100 years old; old oak
pipes are still occasionally dug up. You don't even want to
know what's in those pipes.
I say use whatever water you want. If you want to spend the
extra time and fuel to heat cold water when you have hot
water available because it makes you feel better, go for it.
--Kamus
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Did you ever read the material that comes with a hot water
heater? It states that heated water is not for human
consumption due to the mineral collecting anode and the
concetration of metals in the water. Monthly flushing of the
tank is recommended by installing a water hose to the faucet
type outlet and let the hose drain outside the house at a
lower level. Something I do annually (if I remember).
Sheldon is entirely correct and so is your husband. At my
restaurant all employees are instructed to use only cold tap
water or if hot water is needed quickly the coffee machine
has a tap for drawing instant hot water.
Just my two cents
DaveR
byakee wrote:
> Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter. We're
> curious what RFC thinks...
>
>
Get one of the small, instant-boiling (well, near-boiling)
water tanks. We love ours.
--Charlene
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> byakee wrote:
> > Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> > cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> > water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter.
> > We're curious what RFC thinks.
>
> Well that depends on your particular water tank, but I'd
> guess that it is probably gross, not necessarily make you
> sick gross, but gross enough. Besides, how hard is it to
> boil water? Using hot from the tap doesn't save much time.
> It isn't exactly the same thing, but imagine putting a pot
> of water on the stove and heating it to 90 degrees, taking
> a cup out now and then, replacing it with cold, never
> emptying it, but just keeping it there for years on end
> while never washing the pot. You want to drink out of it?
GOOD JOB! nancy
In article <Hk0Fc.9786$Oq2.5619@attbi_s52>, Julia Altshuler <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
> byakee wrote:
> > Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> > cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> > water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter.
> > We're curious what RFC thinks.
>
> Well that depends on your particular water tank, but I'd
> guess that it is probably gross, not necessarily make you
> sick gross, but gross enough. Besides, how hard is it to
> boil water? Using hot from the tap doesn't save much time.
> It isn't exactly the same thing, but imagine putting a pot
> of water on the stove and heating it to 90 degrees, taking
> a cup out now and then, replacing it with cold, never
> emptying it, but just keeping it there for years on end
> while never washing the pot. You want to drink out of it?
The reason that people have been advised to avoid consuming
water from the hot tap is because hot water leaches lead
from solder at a much higher rate than cold water. Since few
household water systems use lead solder any more, I doubt it
is much of an issue.
As to using water that's been in a tank for years, how is
that description any different than the water coming from
your cold tap? There's tankage in the municipal water
supply, right? They run water in one end from the source and
out the other end to your house, right? The only difference
is that the temperature isn't hot enough to kill bacteria,
the way it is inside your water heater.
It certainly does taste flat, though.
Mike Beede
Frogleg wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:11:56 GMT, byakee@COLDmail.com
> (byakee) wrote:
>
> >Hubby is being obstinate today -- he says one shouldn't
> >cook with warm or hot water because the inside of a hot
> >water tank is really gross. I say it doesn't matter.
> >We're curious what RFC thinks...
>
> Funny the ideas people have about what comes out of their
> taps. It's water like one might bring up from a well in
> the back yard, except usually treated to kill disease
> organisms and filtered enough to keep out the large rocks.
> It's not sterile or boiled or distilled, or mineral-free.
> Cold or hot, it's been through miles of skanky old pipes.
> The *least* of your problems is what it might pick up in
> your home hot water tank.
Actually, I tried using hot water from the tap only once in
my life. That was an experience, the water acted *bizarrely*
and that's all I need to know on that subject.
nancy
One dark day on Usenet, qwerty@monmouth.com said:
> byakee wrote:
> > Hubby is being obstinate today --
Actually, "obstinate" was a poor choice of words here;
although he is a stubborn cuss, it was his arrogance about
it that annoyed me. "WE don't cook with hot water." He's a
sweet boy, but sometimes he forgets that I rarely do what
others *tell* me to do. <g>
> > he says one shouldn't cook with warm or hot water
> > because the inside of a hot water tank is really gross.
> > I say it doesn't matter. We're curious what RFC
> > thinks...
> It's been discussed before; me, I would not drink hot
> water out of the tap. If nothing else it's probably been
> heated and heated until it's flat. Yuck.
Yeah, the more I think (and read) about it, I'll stop using
the hot water, unless it's to rinse something. Although our
house is just 10 years old with a private well, cold water
does taste much better.
> I'm with your husband. Well, not at this moment! (laugh)
Hmmm, do I need to keep an eye on you, missy..? ;-)
--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ (COLD to HOT for
e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna tear up?"
- Carl, ATHF
DaveR wrote:
> Did you ever read the material that comes with a hot water
> heater? It states that heated water is not for human
> consumption due to the mineral collecting anode and the
> concetration of metals in the water. Monthly flushing of
> the tank is recommended by installing a water hose to the
> faucet type outlet and let the hose drain outside the
> house at a lower level. Something I do annually (if I
> remember).
Somewhere along the line, I was told about the extra
minerals in hot water. But then I started thinking.....
mineral water is supposed to be good for you..
If the hot water is coming through the same water system as
the cold, and there is a mineral deposit on the heating
element, wouldn't that mean that there is now less minerals
in the hot water than in the cold?
My well water is pretty hard. I am currently soaking out
the heating pot of my distiller with heated extra strength
vinegar to chew away at the significant deposit that has
built up since the last time I cleaned it, just three
months ago.
>
>
> Sheldon is entirely correct and so is your husband. At my
> restaurant all employees are instructed to use only cold
> tap water or if hot water is needed quickly the coffee
> machine has a tap for drawing instant hot water.
>
> Just my two cents
>
> DaveR
In article <pan.2004.07.02.10.02.02.703343@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com>, Kamus of
Kadizhar <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com> wrote:
> I say use whatever water you want. If you want to spend
> the extra time and fuel to heat cold water when you
> have hot water available because it makes you feel
> better, go for it.
I don't use hot water for cooking because everybody says yah
ain't sposed to.
I'll buy your argument about saving time, although since we
keep our hot water at 140F for safety reasons, and you need
212F for cooking, it still takes some time. However, I won't
buy your argument about the fuel. We have a gas water heater
and a gas stove, and it takes the same amount of energy to
heat the water whichever you use. However, the stove only
has to heat the water you put on. When I run the hot water
to use for cooking, cold water comes out! That 20 feet of
pipe between the kitchen sink and the water heater doesn't
store heat well. If you haven't recently run hot water, it's
full of cooled down water that used to be hot. Once I've run
out all the cool water, I still don't get hot water! The
pipe has also cooled down, and so the water traveling that
20 feet rapidly cools off. It isn't until I've both flushed
out the cool water and heated the pipe that I get hot water.
If I need a quart of water, I'll dump much more than that
down the drain. All of that water that came out of the water
heater gets replaced with cold water, which then needs to be
heated up to 140F.
So, if you need a small amount of water, using cold water
will save you energy. If you need a lot of water, like if
you are making 20 gallons of soup, then the energy use will
be about the same.
--
Dan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net
Mike Beede wrote:
> It certainly does taste flat, though.
Because it's been heated and reheated blah blah blah.
nancy
byakee wrote:
>
> One dark day on Usenet, qwerty@monmouth.com said:
> > byakee wrote:
>
> > > Hubby is being obstinate today --
>
> Actually, "obstinate" was a poor choice of words here;
> although he is a stubborn cuss, it was his arrogance about
> it that annoyed me. "WE don't cook with hot water." He's a
> sweet boy, but sometimes he forgets that I rarely do what
> others *tell* me to do. <g>
You're not a July person by any chance, are you?
> > It's been discussed before; me, I would not drink hot
> > water out of the tap. If nothing else it's probably been
> > heated and heated until it's flat. Yuck.
> > I'm with your husband. Well, not at this moment! (laugh)
>
> Hmmm, do I need to keep an eye on you, missy..? ;-)
If you've been reading along, you will have noticed that I
*am* one of the rfc trollops. 'nuff said.
nancy
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:02:37 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
> So, if you need a small amount of water, using cold water
> will save you energy. If you need a lot of water, like if
> you are making 20 gallons of soup, then the energy use
> will be about the same.
I guess we could get into a very pedantic argument about
this, but let's not. :-)
If it makes you feel better not to use the water in your
water heater, go for it. It's not an issue worth losing
sleep over. :-)
Every modern water heater has a drain on the bottom. Go
ahead and let some water out; I think you'll find out that
the water on the bottom is as clean as the water on the top,
or the water from the cold water faucet.
--Kamus
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mountain bike has no soul. ,>/'_ /\ | But
then a mountain biker who doesn't ride a road
bike has no legs... (_)\(_) \ \ | -Doug
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