The REAL GC after Stage 3

[K. J. Papai]

Disregarding those with no hope in the mountains, the actual
GC for contenders is now this.

The "real" GC after Stage 3: 1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US
Postal p/b Berry Floor 0.00 2 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa)
Phonak Hearing Systems 0.07 3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
0.08 4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.10 5 Carlos Sastre
(Spa) Team CSC 0.13 6 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 0.15 7
Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.16 8 Roberto
Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.35 ... 20 Iban Mayo
(Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 4.23

Hard to fathom Lance not being the maillot jaune after
tomorrow's TTT (unless CSC does something phenomenal).

-Ken

[Henrik Jensen]

"K. J. Papai" <ken@kenpapai.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:6100cab2.0407060954.7a9bb5d1@posting.google.com...
> Disregarding those with no hope in the mountains, the
> actual GC for contenders is now this.
>
> The "real" GC after Stage 3: 1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US
> Postal p/b Berry Floor 0.00 2 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa)
> Phonak Hearing Systems 0.07 3 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
> Rabobank 0.08 4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.10 5 Carlos
> Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 0.13 6 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile
> Team 0.15 7 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
> 0.16 8 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.35
> ... 20 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 4.23
>
> Hard to fathom Lance not being the maillot jaune after
> tomorrow's TTT (unless CSC does something phenomenal).
>
> -Ken

Voigt will be in yellow. He is 16 secs in front of Lance,
and Team CSC will win tomorrow...

HB

[San Michele]

I wouldn't completely discount Cancellara or his team. With
the entire squad under one minute behind the leader they may
be burning too fast to last and we haven't seen them in the
mountains. Cancellara seemed to ride hard today and still
had some fuel at the end. -- Good signs

"K. J. Papai" <ken@kenpapai.com> wrote in message
news:6100cab2.0407060954.7a9bb5d1@posting.google.com...
> Disregarding those with no hope in the mountains, the
> actual GC for contenders is now this.
>
> The "real" GC after Stage 3: 1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US
> Postal p/b Berry Floor 0.00 2 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa)
> Phonak Hearing Systems 0.07 3 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
> Rabobank 0.08 4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.10 5 Carlos
> Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 0.13 6 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile
> Team 0.15 7 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
> 0.16 8 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.35
> ... 20 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 4.23
>
> Hard to fathom Lance not being the maillot jaune after
> tomorrow's TTT (unless CSC does something phenomenal).
>
> -Ken

[Trg]

Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "K. J. Papai" <ken@kenpapai.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:6100cab2.0407060954.7a9bb5d1@posting.google.com...
>> Disregarding those with no hope in the mountains, the
>> actual GC for contenders is now this.
>>
>> The "real" GC after Stage 3: 1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US
>> Postal p/b Berry Floor 0.00 2 José Enrique Gutierrez
>> (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.07 3 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
>> Rabobank 0.08 4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.10 5 Carlos
>> Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 0.13 6 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile
>> Team 0.15 7 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
>> 0.16 8 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.35
>> ... 20 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 4.23
>>
>> Hard to fathom Lance not being the maillot jaune after
>> tomorrow's TTT (unless CSC does something phenomenal).
>>
>> -Ken
>
> Voigt will be in yellow. He is 16 secs in front of Lance,
> and Team CSC will win tomorrow...
>
> HB
Agreed. CSC was the one strong TTT team that wasn't using
their rouleurs to push it hard today (other than Voigt).

Plus, with 7 more stages until the Pyrenees, Postal would
rather that CSC does the work of controlling the peloton
then them. Should CSC be in the lead when Postal cruises by
the last time check tomorrow (in first), don't be surprised
if they loose just enough time to finish in second.

[Steve McGinty]

>Plus, with 7 more stages until the Pyrenees, Postal would
>rather that CSC does the work of controlling the peloton
>then them. Should CSC be in the lead when Postal cruises by
>the last time check tomorrow (in first), don't be surprised
>if they loose just enough time to finish in second.
>
Thats never how USPS have done it in the past - they've
always taken whatever time they can in the TTT - why
change now?

Regards! Stephen

[Trg]

Steve McGinty wrote:
>> Plus, with 7 more stages until the Pyrenees, Postal would
>> rather that CSC does the work of controlling the peloton
>> then them. Should CSC be in the lead when Postal cruises
>> by the last time check tomorrow (in first), don't be
>> surprised if they loose just enough time to finish in
>> second.
>>
> Thats never how USPS have done it in the past - they've
> always taken whatever time they can in the TTT - why
> change now?
>
> Regards! Stephen

Cause the format of the TTT is different this year. If they
come in first by 2 minutes or 20 seconds, the time they gain
will be the same.

But I just reread the rules and see that the maximum gap
between first and second is 20 seconds rather than 10
which I first believed, so that's a bit more tempting to
go for the strategy of coming in first and then putting
George, Floyd or Jose in all the breaks to make Phonak and
TMO chase.

Either way is good.

Plus, I think CSC could take it straight out. Riis has made
it a team objective, CSC didn't work nearly as hard on the
front today, and they've got some horses as well.

[Steve McGinty]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:44:35 +0200, "trg"
<trg@world.REMOVETHIS.std.com> wrote:

>Steve McGinty wrote:
>>> Plus, with 7 more stages until the Pyrenees, Postal
>>> would rather that CSC does the work of controlling the
>>> peloton then them. Should CSC be in the lead when Postal
>>> cruises by the last time check tomorrow (in first),
>>> don't be surprised if they loose just enough time to
>>> finish in second.
>>>
>> Thats never how USPS have done it in the past - they've
>> always taken whatever time they can in the TTT - why
>> change now?
>>
>
>Cause the format of the TTT is different this year. If they
>come in first by 2 minutes or 20 seconds, the time they
>gain will be the same.
>
So they'll still want to gain whatever time is available!

(Jeezus H - I'm the guy who was getting flamed to death last
year for my anti-TTT views - I still hate the MF!)

Regards! Stephen

[K. J. Papai]

"Henrik Jensen" <marrone@dk>...
> "K. J. Papai" <ken@meddelelse
> news:6100cab2.0407060954.7a9bb5d1@posting.google.com...
> > Disregarding those with no hope in the mountains, the
> > actual GC for contenders is now this.
> >
> > The "real" GC after Stage 3:
Jens Voigt, Team CSC -0.07
> > 1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 0.00
> > 2 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
> > 0.07 3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank 0.08 4 Bobby
> > Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.10 5 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team
> > CSC 0.13 6 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 0.15 7 Tyler
> > Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.16 8 Roberto
> > Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.35 ... 20 Iban
> > Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 4.23
> >
> > Hard to fathom Lance not being the maillot jaune after
> > tomorrow's TTT (unless CSC does something phenomenal).
>
> Voigt will be in yellow. He is 16 secs in front of Lance,
> and Team CSC will win tomorrow...

Voigt is just 7 seconds in frontof Lance in GC.

I certainly like and respect Team CSC but they'll need a
miracle to beat US Postal in the TTT.

Good luck HB!

-Ken