Voight on a training ride??

[Steve Robertson]

Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

steve

[Boyd Speerschne]

steve robertson <not.really@texus.net> wrote in
news:ljbme0hc3jo7mehvekgk5me2p66pooaj17@4ax.com:

> And it was cool how, just before being caught by the
> peloton (at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with
> bottles from the moto.
>

Funny you mentioned that.

I was waiting for the enevitable newbie question: Do
domestiques have to go off the front to get bottles now?

[Brian Phillips]

There's an article here:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html
about it along with a picture of the SRM transponder that
looks like a seat bag.

"steve robertson" <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message
news:ljbme0hc3jo7mehvekgk5me2p66pooaj17@4ax.com...
> Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
> cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
> sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
> though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
> tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?
>
> And it was cool how, just before being caught by the
> peloton (at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with
> bottles from the moto.
>
> steve

[Erik Saunders]

power meters dont weigh much and on the flats they are not a
liability... i bet you see a lot of guys racing with them in
the future... steels had one when he won his national
championship... tehy are an invaluble pacing tool and the
info you get from them is important for training... its
pretty pointless to use one and not race with it... how will
you know where you are and what you need to work on?

[Chris]

"steve robertson" <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message
news:ljbme0hc3jo7mehvekgk5me2p66pooaj17@4ax.com...
> Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
> cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
> sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
> though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
> tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

Riis (his DS) is the only man to ever use an SRM while
*winning* a classic ('97 Amstel Gold). I think he also used
it while winning the Tour (I could be wrong on that). I also
recall that Lemond and Boardman used them in stages races
and possibly in the Tour.

Why should he take them off?

>
> And it was cool how, just before being caught by the
> peloton (at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with
> bottles from the moto.
>
> steve

[Woogoogle]

steve robertson <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message news:<ljbme0hc3jo7mehvekgk5me2p66pooaj17@4ax.com>...
> Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
> cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
> sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
> though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
> tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?
>
> And it was cool how, just before being caught by the
> peloton (at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with
> bottles from the moto.
>
> steve

The bag is the telemetry unit to send the SRM data. It's
discussed on the Velonews website.

[Steve Robertson]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:02:11 GMT, "Brian Phillips"
<bumphilNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:

>There's an article here:
>http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html
>about it along with a picture of the SRM transponder that
>looks like a seat bag.
>

Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more sense
now than having a tire and some levers in the bag. Still,
the whole works has to be pretty heavy.

Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-Mobile rider
is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put in
based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the HR is
the limiting factor, given the training base).

steve

[Chris]

"steve robertson" <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message
news:p3ume05u8t0vg6ideksb1uhhl5fs3bep8o@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:02:11 GMT, "Brian Phillips"
> <bumphilNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >There's an article here: http://www.velonews.com/tour200-
> >4/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along with a picture
> >of the SRM transponder that looks like a seat bag.
> >
>
> Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more
> sense now than having a tire and some levers in the bag.
> Still, the whole works has to be pretty heavy.
>
> Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-
> Mobile rider
> is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put
> in based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the
> HR is the limiting factor, given the training base).

What does that have to do with monitoring power? HR and
power are not directly related especially from day to day.
It makes the most sense (to me) to monitor HR because the
rest of the useable data can be calculated (though not
easily in an ITT or road stage where drafting is a factor).
Power is the next best thing to have in addition to HR. HR
never replaces power and vice versa. Only when using data to
guide training would you use one or the other to set pace.
Because of cardio drift due to weather, fatigue and adrenal
response, it would be a bad idea to limit one's pace while
in a breakaway with anything other than PE (perceived
exertion) and the data from HR and power is used for review
to perhaps give insight to what happened and to predict
future performance. BTW, SRM may be a "power meter" but it
also records and displays speed, time HR, etc.

>
> steve

[Chris]

"Woogoogle" <stevenwoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4011b2ad.0407062014.3a790f16@posting.google.com...
> steve robertson <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message
news:<ljbme0hc3jo7mehvekgk5me2p66pooaj17@4ax.com>...
> > Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
> > cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am
> > almost sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't
> > see a pump though. A good ride by CSC might just put
> > Voight in yellow tomorrow - think he'll take the power
> > meter of then?
> >
> > And it was cool how, just before being caught by the
> > peloton (at least the first part), deGroot loaded up
> > with bottles from the moto.
> >
> > steve
>
> The bag is the telemetry unit to send the SRM data. It's
> discussed on the Velonews website.

Wait a minute, not all of the riders are using telemetry.
The typical system (for all of the devices) simply records
the data to be downloaded and reviewed at will. The
telemetry devices discussed in the article is used to send
data to the team (DS or coach) in case they want to second
guess the rider (not often in men's pro racing) or send the
data to the various web sites promoting this feature to
follow the riders with a very low latency (not truly "real
time") and their power, HR, cadence etc. data.

[Iris Postler]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:54:28 -0700, "Chris"
<chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"steve robertson" <not.really@texus.net> wrote in message
>news:p3ume05u8t0vg6ideksb1uhhl5fs3bep8o@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:02:11 GMT, "Brian Phillips"
>> <bumphilNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >There's an article here: http://www.velonews.com/to-
>> >ur2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along with
>> >a picture of the SRM transponder that looks like a
>> >seat bag.
>> >
>>
>> Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more
>> sense now than having a tire and some levers in the bag.
>> Still, the whole works has to be pretty heavy.
>>
>> Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-
>> Mobile rider
>> is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put
>> in based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the
>> HR is the limiting factor, given the training base).

They showed his data the next day on ARD Television and
analyzed it a bit. You could quite well see the energy he
put in in the beginning of the pave and when he tried to
contest the last sprint.

Iris