mayo crash-Lance's comments...

[Anonymous]

OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
discussion about the attack. When asked if they were trying
to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were not trying
to mess with anybody-they were just trying to stay in front
for the upcoming cobbles, and then once through, to stay in
front for the next set. I was wondering what the hell was
going on, since clearly last year, when Mayo and Lance
crashed, Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even commented on it
the next day on his website, saying "Of course I should have
waited...", and Lance also said "it was the right thing to
do". Made me wonder what the hell was oing through thier
minds, but I suppose that makes some sense...

Comments....?

[Gabike]

> Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even commented on it the
> next day on his website, saying "Of course I should have
> waited...", and Lance also said "it was the right thing to
> do". Made me wonder what the hell was oing through thier
> minds, but I suppose that makes some sense...
>
>Comments....?
>

Jan owed Lance a "wait up" after Lance waited on him the
year before when he went off the clif.

[Chris]

news:3iJGc.7492$oD3.3543@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
> discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
> trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were not
> trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to stay
> in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once through,
> to stay in front for the next set. I was wondering what
> the hell was going on, since clearly last year, when Mayo
> and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even
> commented on it the next day on his website, saying "Of
> course I should have waited...", and Lance also said "it
> was the right thing to do". Made me wonder what the hell
> was oing through thier minds, but I suppose that makes
> some sense...
>
> Comments....?

You expect Lance to be consistent? LOL!

[Anonymous]

Actually, I was watching the prerace this evening, and both
Phil and Paul made allusions to what actaully ended up
happening, with Phil actually saying exactly that the top
riders like Lance and Jan would be extremely worried about a
crash before or in the cobbles, since the other riders would
likely press on and the would be real trouble for the fallen
rider, potentially putting them out of the race. And Phil
made the comment that leading up to the cobbles the riding
would be terribly fast and it would be very dangerous. If a
crash happened there, it could be disasterous. And it was.
Even Lance's coach made comments to the same about the
negative consequences to a fallen rider...

Once again spot on by Phil and Paul

...it makes sense that you are not going to slow up and
wait/get behind when you have a 4ft wide cobblestine road
ahead of you and you have worked very hard to get yourself
in a "safe" position...

Chris wrote:

> news:3iJGc.7492$oD3.3543@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin-
> k.net...
>
>>OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
>>discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
>>trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were not
>>trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to stay
>>in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once through,
>>to stay in front for the next set. I was wondering what
>>the hell was going on, since clearly last year, when Mayo
>>and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even
>>commented on it the next day on his website, saying "Of
>>course I should have waited...", and Lance also said "it
>>was the right thing to do". Made me wonder what the hell
>>was oing through thier minds, but I suppose that makes
>>some sense...
>>
>>Comments....?
>
>
> You expect Lance to be consistent? LOL!

[Tom]

In tour de france, I believe is the custom to wait if the
yellow jersey was in a accident and you do not attack, that
special treatment does not necessary applied to every rider
in the peleton which was delay or have a accident! it is
call racing and good/bad luck

news:3iJGc.7492$oD3.3543@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
> discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
> trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were not
> trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to stay
> in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once through,
> to stay in front for the next set. I was wondering what
> the hell was going on, since clearly last year, when Mayo
> and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even
> commented on it the next day on his website, saying "Of
> course I should have waited...", and Lance also said "it
> was the right thing to do". Made me wonder what the hell
> was oing through thier minds, but I suppose that makes
> some sense...
>
> Comments....?

[Evan Evans]

> OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
> discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
> trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were not
> trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to stay
> in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once through,
> to stay in front for the next set. I was wondering what
> the hell was going on, since clearly last year, when Mayo
> and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited, and Jan even
> commented on it the next day on his website, saying "Of
> course I should have waited...", and Lance also said "it
> was the right thing to do". Made me wonder what the hell
> was oing through thier minds, but I suppose that makes
> some sense...
>
> Comments....?

Big Difference! Mayo was one of many cyclist left behind on
that stretch & not a contender for the overall at that time.
Armstrong & his henchmen were just protecting themselves
against the other 4-5 real threats for the overall victory.
Mayo learned a lesson yesterday a big one. Armstrong is in
total control! That was so cool!

[Roger Hughes]

On 7 Jul 2004 03:43:39 -0700, gevans@mindspring.com (Evan Evans)
wrote:

>Mayo learned a lesson yesterday a big one

Um, can't see any lessons to be learned, except possibly
"don't ride too close to Nozal", and that is probably unfair
in any case. "**** happens" is hardly news to anyone...

[Jfjones]

Wasn't it USPS's Noval who took down Mayo and the rest? Just
suggesting a possible conspiracy, or maybe it was simply
more of USPS horsehoes up their butts.

ps. Armstrong has gotta be the most boring interview on
TV. Time for an interview with Cipo to put life in to
the coverage.

[Richard Adams]

Frequently overlooked on this topic is that there WERE
RIDERS UP THE ROAD. Were that not the case it could be
argued that in spirit of fair play and sportsmanlike conduct
that the leaders could have coasted and let the second bunch
catch up. I don't see how they would with Voigt up the road
with another strong rider, certainly sprinters teams
wouldn't be thrilled with idea to sit and wait while the
stage is practically given away by non-sprinters teams ideas
on fairness.

> Actually, I was watching the prerace this evening, and
> both Phil and Paul made allusions to what actaully ended
> up happening, with Phil actually saying exactly that the
> top riders like Lance and Jan would be extremely worried
> about a crash before or in the cobbles, since the other
> riders would likely press on and the would be real trouble
> for the fallen rider, potentially putting them out of the
> race. And Phil made the comment that leading up to the
> cobbles the riding would be terribly fast and it would be
> very dangerous. If a crash happened there, it could be
> disasterous. And it was. Even Lance's coach made comments
> to the same about the negative consequences to a fallen
> rider...
>
> Once again spot on by Phil and Paul
>
> ...it makes sense that you are not going to slow up and
> wait/get behind when you have a 4ft wide cobblestine road
> ahead of you and you have worked very hard to get yourself
> in a "safe" position...
>
>
> Chris wrote:

> > news:3iJGc.7492$oD3.3543@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.-
> > net...
> >
> >>OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
> >>discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
> >>trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were
> >>not trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to
> >>stay in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once
> >>through, to stay in front for the next set. I was
> >>wondering what the hell was going on, since clearly last
> >>year, when Mayo and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited,
> >>and Jan even commented on it the next day on his
> >>website, saying "Of course I should have waited...", and
> >>Lance also said "it was the right thing to do". Made me
> >>wonder what the hell was oing through thier minds, but I
> >>suppose that makes some sense...
> >>
> >>Comments....?
> >
> >
> > You expect Lance to be consistent? LOL!
> >

[Jeff Jones]

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c2352af0.0407070924.55113d83@posting.google.com...
> Frequently overlooked on this topic is that there WERE
> RIDERS UP THE ROAD. Were that not the case it could be
> argued that in spirit of fair play and sportsmanlike
> conduct that the leaders could have coasted and let the
> second bunch catch up. I don't see how they would with
> Voigt up the road with another strong rider, certainly
> sprinters teams wouldn't be thrilled with idea to sit and
> wait while the stage is practically given away by non-
> sprinters teams ideas on fairness.
>
Chavanel was up the road in the Luz Ardiden stage when the
group waited for Lance. And anyway, yesterday Voigt and De
Groot didn't have that much of a lead when the crash
happened and they still had 65km to go. It wouldn't have
mattered if the peloton had waited for Mayo and Hushovd -
Voigt and De Groot still would have been caught.

On the other hand, Euskaltel and Illes Balears
contributed to the panic and their own downfall by riding
at such a ridiculous tempo with over 40 km to go before
the first cobbles.

Jeff

[Gk]

Not to mention the terrible riding they did after the
crash... they looked alamost like amateurs.

Jeff Jones wrote:
> "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:c2352af0.0407070924.55113d83@posting.google.com...
>
>>Frequently overlooked on this topic is that there WERE
>>RIDERS UP THE ROAD. Were that not the case it could be
>>argued that in spirit of fair play and sportsmanlike
>>conduct that the leaders could have coasted and let the
>>second bunch catch up. I don't see how they would with
>>Voigt up the road with another strong rider, certainly
>>sprinters teams wouldn't be thrilled with idea to sit and
>>wait while the stage is practically given away by non-
>>sprinters teams ideas on fairness.
>>
>
> Chavanel was up the road in the Luz Ardiden stage when the
> group waited for Lance. And anyway, yesterday Voigt and De
> Groot didn't have that much of a lead when the crash
> happened and they still had 65km to go. It wouldn't have
> mattered if the peloton had waited for Mayo and Hushovd -
> Voigt and De Groot still would have been caught.
>
> On the other hand, Euskaltel and Illes Balears contributed
> to the panic and their own downfall by riding at such a
> ridiculous tempo with over 40 km to go before the first
> cobbles.
>
> Jeff

[Jiyang Chen]

"GABIKE" <gabike@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040706225929.19503.00001101@mb-m17.aol.com...

> Jan owed Lance a "wait up" after Lance waited on him the
> year before
when he
> went off the clif.
>

It was on a descent and GC wasn't even close like last year.

[Evan Evans]

Roger Hughes <roger@hughes-USUALANTISPAMSTUFF-translations.com> wrote in message news:<pkmne01f888uliqv9i11jdlfc2kou0u8bn@4ax.com>...
> On 7 Jul 2004 03:43:39 -0700, gevans@mindspring.com (Evan
> Evans) wrote:
>
> >Mayo learned a lesson yesterday a big one
>
> Um, can't see any lessons to be learned, except possibly
> "don't ride too close to Nozal", and that is probably
> unfair in any case. "**** happens" is hardly news to
> anyone...
maybe watch your ass before a critical part of the stage &
bring a better team rather than just the folks that live in
a 50 k radius of you.

[Pistof]

"Evan Evans" <gevans@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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news:<3iJGc.7492$oD3.3543@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>-
...
> > OK, so I have read the above thread on the crash and the
> > discussion about the attack. When asked if they were
> > trying to "put the hammer down", Lance said there were
> > not trying to mess with anybody-they were just trying to
> > stay in front for the upcoming cobbles, and then once
> > through, to stay in front for the next set. I was
> > wondering what the hell was going on, since clearly last
> > year, when Mayo and Lance crashed, Jan and Tyler waited,
> > and Jan even commented on it the next day on his
> > website, saying "Of course I should have waited...", and
> > Lance also said "it was the right thing to do". Made me
> > wonder what the hell was oing through thier minds, but I
> > suppose that makes some sense...
> >
> > Comments....?
>
> Big Difference! Mayo was one of many cyclist left
> behind on that stretch & not a contender for the
> overall at that time. Armstrong & his henchmen were
> just protecting themselves against the other 4-5 real
> threats for the overall victory. Mayo learned a lesson
> yesterday a big one.

Yeah, he learned not to hold the ketchup!