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Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
Idiots on two wheels
Am I alone in my alarm at the increase in reckless riding by
bicyclists? In busy, crowded inner-city streets, confronting behaviour
by cyclists is making life hell for both pedestrians and motorists.
Irresponsible weaving in and out of traffic, mounting the footpath at
speed in shopping centres and barging into pedestrians, riding against
the traffic, pushing through pedestrian crossings and through red
lights are just part of their general bad behaviour.
A huge proportion of the offending riders are in dark clothes, have no
lights, reflectors, warning bells and are usually not wearing helmets.
They are selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive.
Far from being good for society, these terrorists of the road have no
respect for anyone. The police and the councils are doing nothing
about them, even though these riders are flouting many laws and are
making a nuisance of themselves everywhere. Why won't they act?
Bicycles should be registered, have all safety equipment fitted and be
inspected like motor vehicles. The cyclists should be licensed, or at
least have a competency certificate issued if they are to use bicycles
as commuter transport. A crackdown on the idiot element is long
overdue.
Jenny Ward, Erskineville, July 16.
"captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous coward)
post from their server...
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Alan Erskine
We can get people to the Moon in five years,
not the fifteen GWB proposes.
Give NASA a real challenge
Alanterskine1@bigpond.com
Alan Erskine wrote:
> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>
>
> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous coward)
> post from their server...
>
Yup 172.190.78.41 an AOL luser to boot.
To be expected.
"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
>> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>
> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
> coward) post from their server...
Your point, caller?
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Your point, troll ?
John L.
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
<drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
>>> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>>
>> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
>> coward) post from their server...
>
>Your point, caller?
What a ****wit. And I suppose she goes barging around in a two tonne
environment-destroying tank like everyone else.
Regards,
R.
captainmaniscalco wrote:
>Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>
>Idiots on two wheels
>
>Am I alone in my alarm at the increase in reckless riding by
>bicyclists? In busy, crowded inner-city streets, confronting behaviour
>by cyclists is making life hell for both pedestrians and motorists.
>
>Irresponsible weaving in and out of traffic, mounting the footpath at
>speed in shopping centres and barging into pedestrians, riding against
>the traffic, pushing through pedestrian crossings and through red
>lights are just part of their general bad behaviour.
>
>A huge proportion of the offending riders are in dark clothes, have no
>lights, reflectors, warning bells and are usually not wearing helmets.
>They are selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive.
>
>Far from being good for society, these terrorists of the road have no
>respect for anyone. The police and the councils are doing nothing
>about them, even though these riders are flouting many laws and are
>making a nuisance of themselves everywhere. Why won't they act?
>
>Bicycles should be registered, have all safety equipment fitted and be
>inspected like motor vehicles. The cyclists should be licensed, or at
>least have a competency certificate issued if they are to use bicycles
>as commuter transport. A crackdown on the idiot element is long
>overdue.
>
>Jenny Ward, Erskineville, July 16.
>
"John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
> <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>> "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>>> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
>>>> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>>>
>>> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
>>> coward) post from their server...
>>
>> Your point, caller?
> Your point, troll ?
Don't employ rhetoric you don't understand, ****wit.
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"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> > Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
>
> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous coward)
> post from their server...
WTF ? Has he done something wrong to deserve this mini-spray ? He
just posted a letter from a news paper and offered no remarks to label
him a coward ? Or have you two got a prior thing going and are just
looking for a bit of flaming and trolling ?
I'm hoping the soccer mom in the H2 is talking about couriers on bikes and not the regular road bikers. Those couriers are crazy, skilled but crazy :D
Allen
Who cares. It's full of generalisations, devoid of any facts, and
appears to be written just to get a reaction. Oh wait a
minute, I just described usenet.
DaveB
"John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Your point, troll ?
>
> John L.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
> <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
> >"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
I'm not the troll.
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Alan Erskine
We can get people to the Moon in five years,
not the fifteen GWB proposes.
Give NASA a real challenge
Alanterskine1@bigpond.com
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> "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> > "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> > > Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
> >
> > Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
coward)
> > post from their server...
>
> WTF ? Has he done something wrong to deserve this mini-spray ? He
> just posted a letter from a news paper and offered no remarks to label
> him a coward ? Or have you two got a prior thing going and are just
> looking for a bit of flaming and trolling ?
Ahh, I see you're also posting from google...
--
Alan Erskine
We can get people to the Moon in five years,
not the fifteen GWB proposes.
Give NASA a real challenge
Alanterskine1@bigpond.com
...that's unfair. I really do wear a helmet........
Who cares. It's full of generalisations, devoid of any facts, and appears to be written just to get a reaction. Oh wait a
minute, I just described usenet.
DaveB
You win! Don't know exactly _what DaveB wins, but he's have posted the best post on this rapidly degenerating thread.
BTW - Anyone inspired enough to pen a rebuttal to the Sydney papers?
You win! Don't know exactly _what DaveB wins, but he's have posted the best post on this rapidly degenerating thread.
BTW - Anyone inspired enough to pen a rebuttal to the Sydney papers?
Already done. This is what I said...
Dear Ed,
Referring to Jenny Ward's letter dated 19 July that groups all cyclists as being selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive. It is this kind of letter that engenders an "us versus them" mentality and does nothing to contribute the debate of finding solutions to Sydney's traffic problems. There are some cyclists that break the road rules, there are also pedestrians who step out on to the street without looking. Should we look to register pedestrians with a competency certificate that confirms their ability to walk? There are also some motorists who drive through red lights and speed, especially in places where there are no cameras. This does not mean that all motorists and pedestrians are selfish and mean-spirited as Ms Ward's bizarre logic would imply.
Perhaps Ms Ward can put on a helmet, lights and a bright jacket and have a go at riding to work in peak-hour traffic so she can see how selfish and mean-spirited cycling is for herself, rather than sniping from the comfort of her car.
Ritch
Already done. This is what I said...
Dear Ed,
Referring to Jenny Ward's letter dated 19 July that groups all cyclists as being selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive. It is this kind of letter that engenders an "us versus them" mentality and does nothing to contribute the debate of finding solutions to Sydney's traffic problems.
Ritch
Brilliant! Now the rest of you stop being neurotic, do something useful. Make yourself busy, I’ve had enough of that bliz-blam , him-ham already. GET TO THE BLOODY POINT!!!*
*humble apologies to Monty Burns.
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:11:16 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
<alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote:
>"John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:hgslf0lf14c2v3cuf5c9qat4kh6mdircho@4ax.com...
>> Your point, troll ?
>>
>> John L.
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
>> <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>
>I'm not the troll.
Alan
I realise that, my post was aimed at D R Sole. I included your post
to follow in context. It can become confusing, but it's become my
policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
lesson in manners :-)
John L.
For and Against 4WD's - From The Age - Letters July 19, 2004
4WDs - the embodiment of hyper-materialism
The recent backlash against four-wheel-drive or sports utility vehicles (A3, 13/7) is most certainly justified, however it focuses mainly on environmental and safety concerns.
What is not mentioned is the utter self-indulgence and excess that these vehicles represent.
SUVs are an embodiment of the hyper-materialism so prevalent in today's society. No longer can car-buyers be content with an economic, modest vehicle; they now demand the biggest and the best, citing it as a lifestyle choice.
The actual specifications of the vehicle seem to matter little; it is simply the superficial need to own one that does matter. This type of materialism is no longer just the desire to own physical things, it is now the desire to own an abstract notion of "lifestyle" - something that goes beyond practicality and is purely and simply cosmetic.
What sort of lifestyle is a suburban family with two children hoping to suggest to others when they drive around in these menacing machines?
There is nothing wrong with people "utilising" them in the manner for which they are intended - sports-style driving on rough terrain - but using them to pick up the kids from school or to go shopping is plainly ridiculous.
No one should be condemned for their choice of lifestyle and everyone has the right to consumer choice.
However, when this is motivated by such meaningless desire, and has such a powerfully negative effect on the environment and road safety, restrictions need to be put in place. It is a sad sign of the times when we see people choosing cars based on purely artificial marketing concepts such as lifestyle.
Do you really need that much metal?
Lawson Fletcher, Torquay
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In defence of four-wheel-drives
Let's look at some facts: four-wheel-drives made up 18.1 per cent of passenger sales in 2003, up 1.1 per cent from the previous year, and they have fewer accidents than other passenger cars per kilometre/vehicle travelled. They pay less import duty than passenger cars, but this was part of the Button Plan to rationalise import taxes.
Seventy-five per cent of four-wheel-drives are in the compact class, ergo they use less fuel than a standard passenger car. Drivers have better vision and fewer accidents as a result. It is true that four-wheel-drives are more likely to roll over than other cars, but only if they are driven at dangerous speeds around corners.
Also, a four-wheel-drive has a lot of step-up room, and can carry the kids, the netball team and the shopping. Best of all, it can tow the boat, horse float, caravan and finally, if you choose the dream, you too can travel all over Victoria in it and even venture into the wilds of Australia.
Michael Coldham, president,
Four Wheel Drive Victoria, Greythorn
"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:<cdeufb$tks$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:hgslf0lf14c2v3cuf5c9qat4kh6mdircho@4ax.com
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
> > <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
> >> "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> >>> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> >>>> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
> >>>
> >>> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
> >>> coward) post from their server...
> >>
> >> Your point, caller?
>
> > Your point, troll ?
>
> Don't employ rhetoric you don't understand, ****wit.
DRS you will fight valianlty to defend bottom posting and net
ettiquite, but will, without pause, respond to a blatant troll. Top
posting a no-no, engaging in OT flame wars a yes-yes ?
You know, you can just ignore them ?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In defence of four-wheel-drives
Let's look at some facts: ....
Seventy-five per cent of four-wheel-drives are in the compact class, ergo they use less fuel than a standard passenger car.
Ooooh, i want the same drugs he's on! His 'reality' is so mouch better...
Drivers have better vision and fewer accidents as a result.
They might have a better vantage point, but do you think they are 'LOOKING' !?!?
Also, a four-wheel-drive has a lot of step-up room, and can carry the kids, the netball team and the shopping.
Sadly untrue. many 4WDs have the same if not less interior room than a conform-adore!
Best of all, it can tow the boat, horse float, caravan and finally, if you choose the dream, you too can travel all over Victoria in it and even venture into the wilds of Australia.
Michael Coldham, president,
Four Wheel Drive Victoria, Greythorn
These would be the same 'compact' 4WDs capable of such miraculous feats(?) would it???
Trivia. MC lives a few blocks away from me and is notorious in the area for running red lights in his 4WTruck when 'nobody is a around'.
Even thinks it OK to drive thru the greythorn primary school crossing.
Letter has gone to the Age...
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