What would it take to convince you Lance did not dope?

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Oh I've got plenty of better arguments althought I particularly liked my snippet about the colloquialism. ;) Anyway, when someone makes an ignorant and overly generalized comment I take action. If you haven't noticed DV this forum has a lot of opinions on many diverse topics. Don't get your panties all up in a bunch because someone speaks their mind. 1) We don't know each other so I could do without your snippets... Sorry if this sounds rude I don't mean to be but what may be a funny remark to you may be a sarcastic one to me... So to avoid misunderstandings...
2) Micron was not the first to make "an ignorant and overly generalized comment" but you chose not to notice that...
3) Let's stick to cycling. This is not a place for politics or each other's views about Europe/USA.

You are correct, you don't know me. So keep your mouth shut before you tell me to keep my mouth shut. If my remark sounded sarcastic to you then I applaud your intelligence and my writing skills because sarcasm is exactly what I was trying to convey. You have chosen not to notice my other posts on this forum as well. I will call out anyone who makes ignorant, generalized comments. If you haven't figured it out I was trying to keep the post to cycling by shutting up the ignorant comments. Take a look at the thread and see if Micron rebuttled? He didn't because I was right and he probably recognized it and was gentleman enough to retract.



1) We don't know each other so I could do without your snippets... Sorry if this sounds rude I don't mean to be but what may be a funny remark to you may be a sarcastic one to me... So to avoid misunderstandings...
2) Micron was not the first to make "an ignorant and overly generalized comment" but you chose not to notice that...
3) Let's stick to cycling. This is not a place for politics or each other's views about Europe/USA.

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It is proven that the professional peloton (most of it) is doped to the gills. How come then and Lance destroys them every year? I could believe it if he was the most physically gifted (high crit, VO2 max) but he is not. Evidently there are quite a few cyclists that are more talented in that respect. Yet, Lance beats them year in year out. Why? Is it the iron will of a cancer survivor? Sorry but we entering the realm of paranormal now and I don't buy it. Not for 6 years in a row.
There are many more reasons. All of them have been outlined earlier, mainly by Flyer. . . .
Lance doesn't destroy the rest of the peloton throughout the entire season. For six years his training has been designed solely around peaking to win the TdF, and from what I understand it's only during the TdF that he's been dominant.

Most Americans don't know Jack about pro cycling. Before joining this forum I couldn't have named ANY other cycling race besides the TdF. So doesn't it makes sense that a cycling team with primarily American sponsorship would concentrate it's efforts on the one cycling race that Americans might pay some attention to?

I beleive that the reason why Lance is able to win the TDF year after year is due to:
1) His team of hand picked riders. That is built around him and his winning of the TDF.

2) His ability to preview each important stage and design a strategy on when and where to attack.

3) His teams scouting of other teams and riders.

4) His director sportif Johan Brunel (sp.) that budgets the team resources allowing Lance to do all of these things and putting the priority of the team on winning the TDF.


As far as if Lance is on dope or not:

I feel that he is innocent until proven guilty, but I do have my doubts.

You are correct, you don't know me. So keep your mouth shut before you tell me to keep my mouth shut. If my remark sounded sarcastic to you then I applaud your intelligence and my writing skills because sarcasm is exactly what I was trying to convey. You have chosen not to notice my other posts on this forum as well. I will call out anyone who makes ignorant, generalized comments. If you haven't figured it out I was trying to keep the post to cycling by shutting up the ignorant comments. Take a look at the thread and see if Micron rebuttled? He didn't because I was right and he probably recognized it and was gentleman enough to retract. I did not tell you to keep your mouth shut. I was not referring (and I made it clear) to you so what's your fucking problem? If you want it to pursue this any further send pm. Lets not screw the topic...

My post was in your reply, the one where you said "shut your mouth" and no you did NOT make it clear as to whom you were speaking.

I have no problem but apparently you do when you are rebuked a little. No I do not want to waste my time PM'ing you about this. You need to chill out because you will soon see that this entire forum is full of opinions and every thread gets off topic.
I repeat I was trying to bring the thread back to topic by stopping the anti-american statements. READ other threads on this forum and you will see that someone makes some derogatory comment about another country and then the whole thread goes right down the drain as people try to defend their country.

Any other long-timer on the forums want to back me up on this.

So as far as I am concerned DV this is over and you can get back to the purity of this thread.

I did not tell you to keep your mouth shut. I was not referring (and I made it clear) to you so what's your fucking problem? If you want it to pursue this any further send pm. Lets not screw the topic...

birdman23 here is my quote. I believe that is clear that I was not referring to you (btw sorry Espada it was a bit strong).

This forum and topic is about cycling not each other's beliefs about the US/Europe. Keep it that way. If you haven't got any better arguments than this then just keep your mouth shut (and this goes to you Espada).
Happy?;)
No hard feelings I hope. :)

My mistake. I thought you were directing it at me because my post was in your thread. No hard feelings.

In response to the thread title:

He admits it or is caught cheating. Other than that he remains innocent in my book. "Caught or Confession"





birdman23 here is my quote. I believe that is clear that I was not referring to you (btw sorry Espada it was a bit strong).

Happy?;)
No hard feelings I hope. :)