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On http://www.bases.org.uk/newsite/pdf/Abstract book etc.pdf (http://www.bases.org.uk/newsite/pdf/Abstract%20book%20etc.pdf), there is an interesting article:


Effect of pedaling technique on torque distribution and metabolic efficiency in cyclists

1Korff, T. 1Romer, 1L. Mayhew, I. And 2Martin, J.C.

1Centre for Sports Medicine and Human Performance, Brunel University, UK.

2 Department of Exercise and Sport Science, The University of Utah, USA.


From the abstract:


Anyone have readed the full article ?

Ale Martinez.I agree with Crowley. All this shows IMHO is that you cannot take a buch of cyclists who have been training using one pedaling technique and test them using another technique and expect to see improvement.

Pedaling with one leg helps but not much. You wont see awesome results from it.



Fix gear is the shit. You have to use every mussel in your spin. As you want to ride the fix gear in small moderation at first so you wont die on the training Then you can't start doing longer rides as the mussels it works out will spin better.



Then when your racing you have a fluid solid spin.



Ok upstrokes do help you. No not as much as the downstrokes but they still help. If you would know anything about simple physics then you would of understand that. If I were to just pull up on one crank you would see my bike move. Thus creating a force. Some people are very sloppy at there spin slogging and clanking. This waste energy. We don't want to waste that force. So adding will help. This will make your LT a little faster and make your Sprint a shit load faster. When I say this i speak for the average person. Not a super slogger or a super fast rider.

Fix gear is the shit. You have to use every mussel in your spin. As you want to ride the fix gear in small moderation at first so you wont die on the training Then you can't start doing longer rides as the mussels it works out will spin better.
The second time i rode a fixed gear i rode 120km in two sessions.

I have felt no difference in the fatigue created by a fixed gear vs my road bike.
BTW, the goal of my pedal stroke is to create the highest force on the downstroke and let the leg go around for the ride on the rest.

Pedaling in circles is an old wives tale.

The second time i rode a fixed gear i rode 120km in two sessions.

I have felt no difference in the fatigue created by a fixed gear vs my road bike.
BTW, the goal of my pedal stroke is to create the highest force on the downstroke and let the leg go around for the ride on the rest.

Pedaling in circles is an old wives tale.
Really, I was talking to a lot of high ranking coaches in the US. They seem to disagree.



I don't know why you are trying to prove this wrong. It is like fighting a swing set with bare hands. You are just arguing wit



However if you already pedal in circles then that could explain why.



Let me explain again, when you pedal upward you are creating force. Force equals power which creates extra watts.

I find in crit races if I want to react to a surge, the best possible way is for me for focus on pulling up (or using hamstrings more to sort of flick back). I find if I have been working hard the power to push down harder isn't readily available.

On the speedo this can be good for 2-3km/h almost instantly.

I generally work on not just pushing down but seem to default to it at times. In a crit race I generally spin at 100-115 rpm for the entire race. I might click an extra gear and cadence about 90 when surging to hurt the pack.

Nothing prevents a PC'er from also being a stomper, as long as he/she totally unweights on the backstroke.



If PC's force or train a rider to use the circular pedaling style, how can a PC rider use the stomping style ?

If PC's force or train a rider to use the circular pedaling style, how can a PC rider use the stomping style ?The rider can still emphasize the downstroke as much as he desires as long as he just unweights on the upstroke. "Circular pedaling" to me does not mean even power around the circle, but simply that one has to do some positive work around the entire circle. So, one can still be either "pushing dominant" or "circular balanced" or something in between. It is up to the rider.

Frank

The rider can still emphasize the downstroke as much as he desires as long as he just unweights on the upstroke. "Circular pedaling" to me does not mean even power around the circle, but simply that one has to do some positive work around the entire circle. So, one can still be either "pushing dominant" or "circular balanced" or something in between. It is up to the rider.

Frank


You recently stated in that other thread that when you first started using PC's you did not have the slightest idea as to what pedaling style you were using, it is now obvious that this is still the case.

You recently stated in that other thread that when you first started using PC's you did not have the slightest idea as to what pedaling style you were using, it is now obvious that this is still the case.What on earth are you talking about? In my general answer, what is so obvious to cause you to reach this conclusion.

What on earth are you talking about? In my general answer, what is so obvious to cause you to reach this conclusion.


We were referring there (P18) and now here to the most powerful pedaling style, try sprinting with an "in between" style of pedaling.

We were referring there (P18) and now here to the most powerful pedaling style, try sprinting with an "in between" style of pedaling.I still don't know what you are talking about. Whatever is the "most powerful style" may vary between riders, depending upon the type of riding they do (track sprinter vs time trial specialist vs whatever). PowerCranks doesn't prevent any rider from doing their thing as long as they completely unweight on the back half of the stroke.

Just wanted to see if it was possible to change the title to this thread which has always driven me crazy but, in my laziness, I never tried.

Frank

We were referring there (P18) and now here to the most powerful pedaling style, try sprinting with an "in between" style of pedaling.
Who cares about pedaling "style"? Unless you're a pro with time to spare for training, your time is best spent getting "fitter". This all seems like a bunch of nonsense. Much akin to a "forest and the trees" discussion.

Who cares about pedaling "style"? Unless you're a pro with time to spare for training, your time is best spent getting "fitter". This all seems like a bunch of nonsense. Much akin to a "forest and the trees" discussion.Seems to me the evidence might suggest that form makes a huge difference but, as this thread has demonstrated that is somewhat debatable. Do you have evidence form is of no consequence? Love to see what it is.

Seems to me the evidence might suggest that form makes a huge difference but, as this thread has demonstrated that is somewhat debatable.
What evidence is that?
Do you have evidence form is of no consequence? Love to see what it is.
I didn't say that. I said that given a choice as to whether to work on fitness or form, I would choose fitness as my time for training is somewhat constrained. If I had more time to train I might consider working on "form" (however that might be defined).

What evidence is that?Well, as mentioned earlier in this thread. Two recent studies looking at PowerCranks would be some direct evidence. The main thing that PowerCranks does is change the form of the cyclist to something that most would describe as being more circular. The Luttrell study demonstrated a 10% improvement in cycling efficiency in trained cyclists in 6 weeks and the Dixon study demonstrated an 11% improvement in cycling power, again in 6 weeks and again in trained cyclists (plus they also reported an increase of VO2max of 15% in the same time). Unless one is a rank beginner is it unlikely one can see those kinds of improvements from fitness changes or anything else in that kind of time period. Check out the recent thread entitled "poor man's PowerCranks" for a further discussion of this so it doesn't have to be repeated here.

I didn't say that. I said that given a choice as to whether to work on fitness or form, I would choose fitness as my time for training is somewhat constrained. If I had more time to train I might consider working on "form" (however that might be defined).
Why not work on both at the same time for maximum benefit? (see above) Everyones time is limited, even the pros wished they had more time for training.

What evidence is that?

I didn't say that. I said that given a choice as to whether to work on fitness or form, I would choose fitness as my time for training is somewhat constrained. If I had more time to train I might consider working on "form" (however that might be defined).



You are correct, for you working on fitness will give best results. It's not a matter of working on "form", it's about discovering a completely different way of applying power to the pedals and for this you have got to know what your objectives are, otherwise you are wasting valuable training time. For time trial purposes the difference between the perfect TT style and normal pedaling (stomping/circular) can have the same effect as the difference between the old high jump style and today's Fosbury Flop technique. Take a look at the video "The mysterious cycling champion",then you will understand. With this technique when you hit the open road, you slip into a higher gear and set your muscles to "cruise control".

I don't know if it's been mentioned here before, but here it is:

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/default.asp?pg=fullstory&id=3289

Incidentally, I met someone at a race last weekend who swears by them (not that it proves anything of course).

I don't know if it's been mentioned here before, but here it is:

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/default.asp?pg=fullstory&id=3289

Incidentally, I met someone at a race last weekend who swears by them (not that it proves anything of course).FYI

http://triorganic.com/ccc.aspx?g=posts&t=5

FYI

http://triorganic.com/ccc.aspx?g=posts&t=5


While you say it is a small percentage, what do you do with the PC's that are returned after, let's say, eight months of continuous use during trial period ?