Dangerous bicycles
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From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3007439.stm
"A conference being held this week in London aimed at exploring that issue is facing a venerable
line-up of scientific opinion which says we wouldn't be where we are today if humans had always been
as cautious as they are now. "
"We wouldn't have trains, says University of Pittsburgh professor Stuart Derbyshire, since early
observers said passengers travelling at 30mph were sick. And we certainly wouldn't have tried to
go any faster than sound, since opinion at the time said it would be like hitting a brick wall in
the sky. "
"We might not even have bicycles, says Dr Ilya Eigenbrot of London's Imperial College, and certainly
we would have no medicines which have side effects - which he says is "practically all drugs from
Aspirin to Zovirax". "
And from:
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006DD7A.htm
"In the run-up to spiked's conference Panic Attack: Interrogating our obsession with risk, taking
place at London's Royal Institution on Friday 9 May, we asked 40 members of the international
scientific community to list what significant discoveries and achievements would have been limited
or prevented, if science at the time had been governed by the precautionary principle that dominates
science today."
"Between them, respondents came up with an A-Z of historic achievements that would have been
thwarted by the precautionary principle: [...] The Bicycle; Biotechnology; Blood transfusion; [...]"
From the same page the only further explanation is:
"Dr Ilya Eigenbrot (science communicator and Faraday lecturer at Imperial College, London) [chooses
the following as examples of things that wouldn't be around if we had not accepted the risks]"
"'All drugs with side effects (practically all drugs from aspirin to zovirax); all flight; all space
travel and space exploration; the Otto and Diesel internal combustion engines; nuclear power; the
bicycle.'"
So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
danger when it first appeared?
Colin
Colin Blackburn pondered:
> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
Having only two wheels, these so-called "bicycles" are clearly unstable. As soon as the hapless
rider removes his foot from the ground, they must inevitably topple gracelessly sideways into the
mud, resulting at the very least in dirty breeches and a sprained dignity. The notion that anyone
might *balance* such a device so clearly contravenes the Laws of SCIENCE that it is simply not
worthy of any further consideration. Tch!
Dave Larrington - http://legslarry.crosswinds.net/
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"Dave Larrington" <legs_larry@yahoo.com> wrote: ( Colin Blackburn pondered: ) > So, what about the
bicycle would have meant it ( > not being around today had we heeded the signs ) > of danger when it
first appeared? ( ) Having only two wheels, these so-called "bicycles" are clearly unstable. As (
soon as the hapless rider removes his foot from the ground, they must ) inevitably topple
gracelessly sideways into the mud, resulting at the very ( least in dirty breeches and a sprained
dignity. The notion that anyone ) might *balance* such a device so clearly contravenes the Laws of
SCIENCE ( that it is simply not worthy of any further consideration. Tch!
...besides which, if the Good Lord had intended us to hurtle through cities at the sorts of speeds
normally only achievable on a horse, he would undoubtedly have given us Urban Horses. Or a second
pair of legs.
Colin Blackburn wrote:
> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
People will fall off them... And don't forget that the original bicycle was certainly not equipped
with either the quality of construction, ease of use or stopping power easily available today.
Pete.
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"Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> From:
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<snip>
> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
>
> Colin
...and I don't think they were on the original bicycles, but front brakes would've definitely been a
no-no! The potential loss of control caused by these devices blatantly breaches any guidelines that
could be created by the H&S executive following extensive risk assessment...
Dave.
'over the top goes one cyclist..etc,etc....' sung to the tune of whatever tune it is that starts off
similarly ;-P
On Wed, 7 May 2003 15:12:10 +0000 (UTC), Geraint Jones scrawled: ) would undoubtedly have given us
Urban Horses. Or a second pair of legs.
Hence tandems. Or do you mean a second pair /each/?
J-P
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In news:MPG.19232b295df6cbf99899db@localhost, Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> typed:
>>
> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
>
We'd have to be riding round on the rims. Tyres would never be invented because the laboratory
practices of Mr Goodyear would have been shut down by HSE in a jiffy.
Tony
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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Geraint Jones wrote:
> "Dave Larrington" <legs_larry@yahoo.com> wrote: ( Colin Blackburn pondered: ) > So, what about the
> bicycle would have meant it ( > not being around today had we heeded the signs ) > of danger when
> it first appeared? ( ) Having only two wheels, these so-called "bicycles" are clearly unstable. As
> ( soon as the hapless rider removes his foot from the ground, they must ) inevitably topple
> gracelessly sideways into the mud, resulting at the very ( least in dirty breeches and a sprained
> dignity. The notion that anyone ) might *balance* such a device so clearly contravenes the Laws of
> SCIENCE ( that it is simply not worthy of any further consideration. Tch!
>
> ...besides which, if the Good Lord had intended us to hurtle through cities at the sorts of speeds
> normally only achievable on a horse, he would undoubtedly have given us Urban Horses. Or a second
> pair of legs.
Or wheels? ;-)
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>"Between them, respondents came up with an A-Z of historic achievements that would have been
>thwarted by the precautionary principle: [...] The Bicycle; Biotechnology; Blood
>transfusion; [...]"
Hmm.... they haven't looked at the precautionary principle too much then.The precautionary principle
does *not* mean things can't be done, it simply means that before decisions are made, that risks are
thoroughly researched and a decision is made on that basis. It does not mean that if there are
risks, something is prohibited. Any scientist who says otherwise really doesn't know their
precautionary principle very well at all. A very good (and long) read is online at
<http://reports.eea.eu.int/environmental_issue_report_2001_22/en/tab_conte nt_RLR>
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Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Mr Henry Crun: "Hold tight, Min, we're doing nearly thtree miles an hour!"
Miss Minerva Bannister (for it is she): "Aaah! It is insane, Hennery - man cannot live at
such speeds!"
Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
They frighten horses, dazzle decent folk with their lamps, and threaten the social order by giving
mobility to the working classes.
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Dave...
Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> *snip*
> So, what about the bicycle would have meant it not being around today had we heeded the signs of
> danger when it first appeared?
>
> Colin
Don't forget the early bicycles were "Oridnaries" (aka penny-farthing). A common accident was to
"take a header" over the handlebars. Apparently quite frequently serious, since you tend to land on
your head, from quite a height!
Robert
r.d.saunders@open.ac.uk (Robert Saunders) wrote: ( Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk>
wrote in message news:<MPG.19232b295df6cbf99899db@localhost>... ) > So, what about the bicycle
would have meant it not being around today ( > had we heeded the signs of danger when it first
appeared? ) > ( > Colin ) ( Don't forget the early bicycles were "Oridnaries" (aka )
penny-farthing). A common accident was to "take a header" over the ( handlebars. Apparently
quite frequently serious, since you tend to ) land on your head, from quite a height! ( ) Robert
The bicycle was almost a century old before anyone had the daft idea of getting the rider to perch
on top of an ordinary. There were hobby-horses and boneshakers and the like in the eighteenth
century, but the Starley Ariel is late nineteenth. Mind you, it was such a good idea that it did
kill off all the competition.
Colin Blackburn .....
> From:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3007439.stm
>
> "A conference being held this week in London aimed at exploring that issue is facing a venerable
> line-up of scientific opinion which says we wouldn't be where we are today if humans had always
> been as cautious as they are now. "
>
I don't get the point. There is always someone who is resistant to change or so rigid in their ways
that they refuse to acknowledge the need to change or the wisdom of changing.
The conference will - as described - do no more than demonstrate that some people in some contexts
are cautious, rigid or prefer the comfort of their present situation. The fact that the developments
listed in the original post have all come to pass, surely indicates the opposite
- that is, that some people will adapt and move on and the stick-in-the-muds just die out.
Keith (www.evfit.com)
Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> "We wouldn't have trains, says University of Pittsburgh professor Stuart Derbyshire, since early
> observers said passengers travelling at 30mph were sick.
Some of the detractors of that time took that opinion to the extreme, stating that any movement over
30 mph was sure to crush the human body! Then along came George Stephenson, who quickly disproved
that idea....
David E. Belcher
Dept. of Chemistry, University of York
On 8 May 2003 01:25:51 -0700, Keith <keith@evfit.com> wrote:
> Colin Blackburn .....
>> From:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3007439.stm
>>
>> "A conference being held this week in London aimed at exploring that issue is facing a venerable
>> line-up of scientific opinion which says we wouldn't be where we are today if humans had always
>> been as cautious as they are now. "
>>
> I don't get the point. There is always someone who is resistant to change or so rigid in their
> ways that they refuse to acknowledge the need to change or the wisdom of changing.
>
> The conference will - as described - do no more than demonstrate that some people in some contexts
> are cautious, rigid or prefer the comfort of their present situation. The fact that the
> developments listed in the original post have all come to pass, surely indicates the opposite
> - that is, that some people will adapt and move on and the stick-in-the-muds just die out.
>
It's not that simple.
IIRC it was compound 606 that eventually provided a cure for syphilis. Under current
leglislation with regards to drug testing it takes several years before you can even try a
compound on a human being.
In 1909 Ehrlich (sp?) and Hara went back to compound 606 (of >900 that had been tried to find a cure
for sleeping sickness) which had done no use for sleeping sickness but did work on the (recently
discovered) microbe syphilis. By 1910 the drug (can't remember it's name) was freely available.
I remember being told that today it would take over 300 years to repeat their work from scratch and
eliminate all those useless chemicals they had tried.
Furthermore this discovery (and the fact that the drug was most effective when taken intravenously
which was a difficult technique in those days) inspired people like Flemming to search for cures for
other bacterial diseases rather than just hunt for vaccines (which was the method almost all
researchers were using)
So we could have been looking at the discovery of penicillin sometime in the 25th century.
Insulin was another discovery that, partially at least, benefited from more risk taking by doctors
and patients.
Today we have incurable diseases like AIDS. There are plenty of victims who are willing to take the
chance with a new drug. However, only the people who will die tomorrow anyway get to take the risks.
Maybe, if recently infected but not yet "ill" people had been allowed to volunteer, a way of
stopping the virus might already have been found.
Regards,
Tim.
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r.d.saunders@open.ac.uk (Robert Saunders) wrote in message
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> Don't forget the early bicycles were "Oridnaries" (aka penny-farthing). A common accident was to
> "take a header" over the handlebars. Apparently quite frequently serious, since you tend to land
> on your head, from quite a height!
A nasty variation on that happened when less experienced riders tried to save themselves by throwing
their feet forward. This often resulted in serious leg and pelvis fractures.
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Dave...
David E. Belcher wrote:
> Colin Blackburn <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:<MPG.19232b295df6cbf99899db@localhost>...
>
>>"We wouldn't have trains, says University of Pittsburgh professor Stuart Derbyshire, since early
>>observers said passengers travelling at 30mph were sick.
>
>
> Some of the detractors of that time took that opinion to the extreme, stating that any movement
> over 30 mph was sure to crush the human body! Then along came George Stephenson, who quickly
> disproved that idea....
By crushing a human body, or was that someone else's engine?
Colin
On Thu, 8 May 2003, Colin Blackburn wrote:
> > Some of the detractors of that time took that opinion to the extreme, stating that any movement
> > over 30 mph was sure to crush the human body! Then along came George Stephenson, who quickly
> > disproved that idea....
>
> By crushing a human body, or was that someone else's engine?
Yes, it was Stephenson's. The "Rocket" ran over William Huskisson, who I think was an MP.
You been at the brass polish again, Guy?
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