Ferrari interview on cyclingnews.com

[Robert Chung]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03

The guy hasn't heard of watts?

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ebf4691$0$24912$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
>
> The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Ferrarri works with the Masters Fattie:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/?id=2003/interviews/ferrari/check

[Nick Burns]

His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only use
power production, you only have your own athletes values. These guys want to win races, not run
light bulbs.

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ebf4691$0$24912$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
>
> The guy hasn't heard of watts?

[Robert Chung]

Nick Burns or Chris M wrote in message news:OaNva.495$5b6.100@news.randori.com...

> "Robert Chung" wrote
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> >
> > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
>
> His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only
> use power production, you only have your own athletes values.

Why would you think that?

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OaNva.495$5b6.100@news.randori.com...
> His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only
> use power production, you only have your own athletes values. These guys want to win races, not
> run light bulbs.

sustainable wattage/kilogram

is a more accurate measure of uphill ability.

A problem with his method is that variables like wind, though small, still affect uphill velocity.

[Hawke]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ebf4691$0$24912$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
>
> The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.

Hawke

[Robert Chung]

"Hawke" <Hawke@attbi.com> wrote in message news:ZaTva.859698$S_4.877982@rwcrnsc53...
>
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> >
> > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
>
> Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.

Why would you think that?

[Nick Burns]

I dunno about that. The most value comes from measuring it all the time. If you know how much power
you need to produce for an event, you can ramp up in a predictable and consistent way. In fact, the
only reason to measure it during competition is to develop training intensities.

"Hawke" <Hawke@attbi.com> wrote in message news:ZaTva.859698$S_4.877982@rwcrnsc53...
>
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3ebf4691$0$24912$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> >
> > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
>
> Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.
>
> Hawke

[Andy Coggan]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ebf4691$0$24912$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
>
> The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it helps to
have ready access to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Andy Coggan

[Robert Chung]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:iUUva.69113$4P1.6264037@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Robert Chung" wrote
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> >
> > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
>
> Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
> resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
> tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it helps
> to have ready
access
> to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

[Andy Coggan]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ec079e6$0$23445$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
> "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:iUUva.69113$4P1.6264037@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > "Robert Chung" wrote
> > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> > >
> > > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
> >
> > Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
> > resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
> > tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it
> > helps to have ready
> access
> > to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)
>
> Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
the website suggested that he sign up for their standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading
that, I realized that the cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent
Dr. Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on the website.

Andy Coggan

[Robert Chung]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> > Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?
>
> No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
> the website suggested that he sign up for
their
> standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that
the
> cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent
Dr.
> Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
> significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on
the
> website.

Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader into
signing up. Yow.

[Andy Coggan]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ec0e36f$0$24905$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
> "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> > > Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on
his
> > > website?
> >
> > No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online
> > interview, the website suggested that he sign up for
> their
> > standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that
> the
> > cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent
> Dr.
> > Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that
I
> > blame him, but it significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on
> the
> > website.
>
> Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
> however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader into
> signing up. Yow.

Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't seem too likely that you're
referring to the former, since most of them only have an introductory paragraph or two...although
there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence" article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know
much about the factors regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in
Athletes - State of the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although
it doesn't focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research
done on the topic by David Martin of the AIS).

Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)

Andy Coggan

[Warren]

In article <DK7wa.68470$ey1.6205110@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Andy Coggan
<acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)

You'll put CC out of business in no time.

-WG

[Robert Chung]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> >
> > Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
> > however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader
> > into signing up. Yow.
>
> Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't
seem
> too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only
have
> an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
> article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know much about the factors
> regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in Athletes - State of
> the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although it doesn't
> focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on
> the topic by David Martin of the AIS).

I didn't get as far as the hematocrit article. My head was still vibrating after reading the
pedaling cadence and VAM things.

[Andy Coggan]

"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ec116b6$0$24903$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
> "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> > >
> > > Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What
I
> > > found interesting, however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to
> > > entice the reader into signing up. Yow.
> >
> > Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't
> seem
> > too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only
> have
> > an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
> > article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know
much
> > about the factors regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in
> > Athletes - State of the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit,
> > although it doesn't focus
all
> > that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on the topic
> > by David Martin of the AIS).
>
> I didn't get as far as the hematocrit article. My head was still vibrating after reading the
> pedaling cadence and VAM things.

I got the impression during my quick perusal that you had to pay to be able to read the entire
article - is that not true?

Andy Coggan

[Robert Chung]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> I got the impression during my quick perusal that you had to pay to be
able
> to read the entire article - is that not true?

My understanding, too. Which is sort of odd, when you think about it. You might think that if that
were the case you'd want to put your very best foot forward, or your most tantalizing bit of info up
front. That stuff about VAM and cadence turned me off.

I don't think you'd be successful selling your stuff on a website. You don't appear to be enough of
a huckster.

[Hawke]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:GB4wa.69916$4P1.6353426@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3ec079e6$0$23445$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> >
> > "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:iUUva.69113$4P1.6264037@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > "Robert Chung" wrote
> > > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=ferrari03
> > > >
> > > > The guy hasn't heard of watts?
> > >
> > > Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate
the
> > > effects of wind resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the
> > > simple tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available.
> > > (Clearly it helps to have ready
> > access
> > > to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)
> >
> > Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?
>
> No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
> the website suggested that he sign up for
their
> standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that
the
> cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent
Dr.
> Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
> significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on
the
> website.
>
> Andy Coggan

but, but, but Andy, aren't you promoting the PowerTap?

Hawke

[Hawke]

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:DK7wa.68470$ey1.6205110@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3ec0e36f$0$24905$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> >
> > "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote
> > > > Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on
> his
> > > > website?
> > >
> > > No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online
> > > interview, the website suggested that he sign up for
> > their
> > > standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized
that
> > the
> > > cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally
reticent
> > Dr.
> > > Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not
that
> I
> > > blame him, but it significantly reduced my curiousity about what was
on
> > the
> > > website.
> >
> > Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
> > however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader
> > into signing up. Yow.
>
> Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't
seem
> too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only
have
> an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
> article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know much about the factors
> regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in Athletes - State of
> the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although it doesn't
> focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on
> the topic by David Martin of the AIS).
>
> Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)
>
> Andy Coggan

Good idea, but don't give up your day job!

Hawke

[Mark Lee]

A hematocrit paper: http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9703/AISblood.html Mark Lee