2nd Greatest Rider of All Time

[Ronaldo Jeremia]

This is actually debatable...

Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?

How 'bout Nakan?

-Ronald Jeremia

[Tom Kunich]

How about Coppi?

"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is actually debatable...
>
> Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?
>
> How 'bout Nakan?
>
> -Ronald Jeremia

[Bret Wade]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> How about Coppi?

Tom's got it right for a change. Who else has won the world road championship, Tour, Giro, world
pursuit championship, GP des Nations, Lombardy, Roubaix, world hour record and Milan-Sanremo? His
first and last Giro wins were 13 years apart. WWII interrupted his career in his prime and he spent
a few years as a POW. He's the Ted Williams of cycling. If not for the war and his tendency to break
bones every time he fell off, he might have put up numbers to rival Hinault.

Bret

[Jonathan Van De]

"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
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> How about Coppi?

Coppi is the greatest ever, then Bartali, and only then comes Merckx.

[John Forrest To]

"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is actually debatable...

It's Coppi.

JT

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[Chris Mitchell]

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt@jt10000removethesewords.com> wrote in message
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> "Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f41cdbc.0305122018.2cd86308@posting.google.com...
> > This is actually debatable...
>
> It's Coppi.
>
> JT

Gentlemen, In keeping with the theme, shouldn't this be Copp? If one can't be bothered to add an "x"
to the King's name, why should we append the appropriate vowel to Faust(o)?

Merckx is number one, Coppi second, but I think Moser (Mose, to the last-letterless) stands third
with a helicopter to trail right behind him going into the last TT.

-Chris Mitchell

[Nick Burns]

Absolutely correct.

"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> How about Coppi?
>
> "Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f41cdbc.0305122018.2cd86308@posting.google.com...
> > This is actually debatable...
> >
> > Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?
> >
> > How 'bout Nakan?
> >
> > -Ronald Jeremia

[William Belafor]

"Jonathan van der Sluis" <jonathandavidnospam@planet.nl> wrote in message
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> "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
> news:83%va.68007$ey1.6152444@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > How about Coppi?
>
> Coppi is the greatest ever, then Bartali, and only then comes Merckx.

Cipollini is ahead of Bartali and Coppi. He's won more Giro stages than either one of them.

W. Belaforous Kelly

[Hawke]

"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Absolutely correct.
>
>
> "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > How about Coppi?
> >

Marshall Walker "Major" Taylor!

Hawke

[Davide Tosi]

"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote:

>How about Coppi?

This is also my opinion

>"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> This is actually debatable...
>>
>> Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?
>>
>> How 'bout Nakan?
>>
>> -Ronald Jeremia

[Benjo Maso]

"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is actually debatable...

Jacques Goddet (who has seen all the great champions in action, from Binda to Armstrong): `Merckx
was the best rider of all time, but Coppi was better.' Gian Paolo Ormezzano (in La storia del
ciclismo): `Merckx was the best, but Coppi the greatest'.

Benjo Maso

[Tom Kunich]

"Hawke" <Hawke@attbi.com> wrote in message news:rSbwa.589517$Zo.129349@sccrnsc03...
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> "Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Absolutely correct.
> >
> >
> > "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:83%va.68007$ey1.6152444@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > How about Coppi?
> > >
>
> Marshall Walker "Major" Taylor!

Marshall never had to race against others like the stage race greats. While he is certainly ONE of
the greats of all time, there's no proof that he was better than other champions.

In Merckx's and Coppi's cases there is absolutely no question about their strength, skill and power.

[Heinz Getzler]

ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com (Ronaldo Jeremiah) wrote in message
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> This is actually debatable...
>
> Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?

Hinault is the second greatest rider of all time...... Hinault is 5 time tdf winniner. Won all 3
major tours on a first attempt. Won all the major classics, with the exception of the Milan San Remo
I believe..... Won World Road Championship.

Armstrong will have a significant place in cycling, but he still cannot compare with Mercks or
Hinault. This because Armstrong has yet to win the Giro or the Vuelta or the Paris Roubaix.

But at least Lance has the humility to admit that he is not as great as Hinualt or Merckx.
>
> How 'bout Nakan?
>
> -Ronald Jeremia

[Bruce Johnston]

"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message news:b9rre6$mkrib$1@ID-75468.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f41cdbc.0305122018.2cd86308@posting.google.com...
> > This is actually debatable...
>
>
> Jacques Goddet (who has seen all the great champions in action, from Binda to Armstrong): `Merckx
> was the best rider of all time, but Coppi was better.' Gian Paolo Ormezzano (in La storia del
> ciclismo): `Merckx was the best,
but
> Coppi the greatest'.
>
>
> Benjo Maso

In the first instance there seems to be no distinction between best rider, only that Copp was
better. In the second instance there is the distinction between best and greatest. What did the
article define as best for Merck? and for Copp, greatest? What does best and greatest mean in these
instances?

B-

[Kurgan Gringion]

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> "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f41cdbc.0305122018.2cd86308@posting.google.com...
> > > This is actually debatable...
> >
> >
> > Jacques Goddet (who has seen all the great champions in action, from
Binda
> > to Armstrong): `Merckx was the best rider of all time, but Coppi was better.' Gian Paolo
> > Ormezzano (in La storia del ciclismo): `Merckx was the best,
> but
> > Coppi the greatest'.
> >
> >
> > Benjo Maso
>
> In the first instance there seems to be no distinction between best rider, only that Copp was
> better. In the second instance there is the distinction between best and greatest. What did
> the article define as best for Merck? and for Copp, greatest? What does best and greatest mean
> in these
instances?

It is purely subjective and each observer defines his/her standards for themselves.

IMO, Merckx was the greatest, having won 1/3 of his races entered over a 5 year period. That is an
incredible feat of both physical strength and willpower given that he would be the favorite in each
and every race he entered, marked by the entire field.

[Kenny]

> This is actually debatable...
>
> Hinaul? Indurai? Armstron?
Armstrong? Jeeezes! He's not even part of the top 10 of all time to my opinion.

I think after Merckx you can compose the list of best riders using these names.

Gino Bartali Louison Bobet Fausto Coppi Roger De Vlaeminck Felice Gimondi Bernard Hinault Miguel
Indurain Jacques Anquetill Francesco Moser Rik Van Looy

I'm not trying to order them cause i don't know enough about certain riders. But as far as I know
and looking at the races the've won, these riders had excellent carreers.

[Jc6239]

Poor Roger De Vlaeminck competed during extensive overlapping era of greats Poulidor, Merckx,
Gimondi, Maertens, Zoetemelk, Hinault, & Sarroni. Hell, his Paris-Roubaix record (5th, 2nd, 7th,
1st, 7th, 1st,1st, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 6th) alone should make him a strong contender for a top
3 of all time. And don't forget four podium finishes at the World Cyclocross Championships (2
titles) and some track success to boot. Pretty well rounded rider if that counts for anything.