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john.somerfield@virginmobile.com
This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
Ogwen again :(
As we were going over the Glyders, we meet a number of groups who had
started at the other end. This is something I have considered doing in
the past, but have a number of unanswered questions that hopefully
somebody(ies) on urw can help me with...
1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
Many Thanks
John
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
>photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
>Ogwen again :(
>1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
>Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
>below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
>pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
The best starting point is Foel Fras. The Welsh 3000s is a summit to
summit walk. So bivi up there and you have a head start.
>2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
>Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
>
>3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
>the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
On 13 Jun 2005 02:38:38 -0700, john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
>photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
>Ogwen again :(
Still a decent walk!
>
>As we were going over the Glyders, we meet a number of groups who had
>started at the other end. This is something I have considered doing in
>the past, but have a number of unanswered questions that hopefully
>somebody(ies) on urw can help me with...
I've not done them all in one day, but I probably will have a go this
summer. So here's a few thoughts.
>
>1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
>Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
>below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
>pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
I wouldn't start at this end. The northern miles are the easiest, so
I'd save them till last. I'd end at your planned pick up point too. If
I did do it N-S I'd start here.
>
>2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
>Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
I would return southwards from the summit to the col, then decend to
the western end of Llyn Ogwen, then straight up the front of Pen yr
Ole Wen (reverse this if you're starting in the N).
>
>3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
>the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
My plan is to use Cwm Glas Bach to get between Clogwyn Station and
Nant Peris, but I have to check this out more carefully to make sure
it's viable. This is assuming I start with Crib Goch, Garnedd Ugain,
then Snowdon. Alternatively I might start with Snowdon, Garnedd Ugain,
Crib Goch, then backtrack westwards a little before dropping down to
Llyn Glas and thence to the road.
--
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"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com
Phil Cook wrote:
> john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>
> >This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
> >photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
> >Ogwen again :(
>
> >1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
> >Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
> >below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
> >pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
>
> The best starting point is Foel Fras. The Welsh 3000s is a summit to
> summit walk. So bivi up there and you have a head start.
>
> >2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
> >Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
> >
> >3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
> >the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>
> I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
> Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
>
Not so far as I know, but the only paths I know down from the Glyders
towards Snowdon are either the Miner's track or from the Devil's
Kitchen to the valley bottom.
> --
> Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:40:48 +0100, Phil Cook
<u-r-walk@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>
>>This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
>>photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
>>Ogwen again :(
>
>>1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
>>Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
>>below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
>>pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
>
>The best starting point is Foel Fras. The Welsh 3000s is a summit to
>summit walk. So bivi up there and you have a head start.
You could bivi on Snowdon, for that matter. But my suggestions below
are assuming you intend to get from the road to the road in one day.
>
>>2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
>>Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
>>
>>3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
>>the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>
>I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
>Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
Are there rules? I don't know, but that's a 7 mile out-and-back, so
you're adding about 3.5 miles to the route, and I think it's a bit
offputting mentally to find yourself back in the same spot after 2 to
3 hours walking.
--
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"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com
Rooney wrote:
> On 13 Jun 2005 02:38:38 -0700, john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>
> >This week had my fourth attempt at completing the Welsh 3000s (TR &
> >photos to follow), and despite superb conditions, failed to get past
> >Ogwen again :(
>
> Still a decent walk!
Certainly was! And some of the best conditions for walking I've had in
Snowdonia for years.
> >
> >As we were going over the Glyders, we meet a number of groups who had
> >started at the other end. This is something I have considered doing in
> >the past, but have a number of unanswered questions that hopefully
> >somebody(ies) on urw can help me with...
>
> I've not done them all in one day, but I probably will have a go this
> summer. So here's a few thoughts.
> >
> >1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
> >Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
> >below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
> >pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
>
> I wouldn't start at this end. The northern miles are the easiest, so
> I'd save them till last. I'd end at your planned pick up point too. If
> I did do it N-S I'd start here.
> >
> >2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
> >Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
>
> I would return southwards from the summit to the col, then decend to
> the western end of Llyn Ogwen, then straight up the front of Pen yr
> Ole Wen (reverse this if you're starting in the N).
We were planning to go up Pen yr Ole Wen from Glan Dena, going up the
Afon Lloer to the wall, and then cutting across to pick up the eastern
ridge. Done this a few times on day walks, slightly longer than the
frontal approach from Ogwen Cafe, but much more enjoyable!
> >
> >3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
> >the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>
>
> My plan is to use Cwm Glas Bach to get between Clogwyn Station and
> Nant Peris, but I have to check this out more carefully to make sure
> it's viable. This is assuming I start with Crib Goch, Garnedd Ugain,
> then Snowdon. Alternatively I might start with Snowdon, Garnedd Ugain,
> Crib Goch, then backtrack westwards a little before dropping down to
> Llyn Glas and thence to the road.
On my three previous attempts I Crib Goch and Carnedd Ugain before
Snowdon, and gone down this way (you leave the Llanberis path just
before it goes under the railway at the point where a concrete pipe
goes under the path). The trick is not to follow what looks like a
clear path, but to keep over to left as the initial rock buttress
slopes that way). Hard to describe, I would suggest you explore the Cwm
from the bottom first.
John
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>Phil Cook wrote:
>> john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>> >3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
>> >the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>>
>> I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
>> Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
>>
>Not so far as I know, but the only paths I know down from the Glyders
>towards Snowdon are either the Miner's track or from the Devil's
>Kitchen to the valley bottom.
Glyder Fawr to Gorphwysfa (Pen-y-Pass) is a dirty great big dashed
line on my 1:50k it is on the 1:25k as well, granted it's not a PROW
but that doesn't matter any more - if it did in the first place.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
Rooney wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:40:48 +0100, Phil Cook
><u-r-walk@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>>>3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
>>>the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>>
>>I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
>>Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
>
>Are there rules?
I didn't think there were.
> I don't know, but that's a 7 mile out-and-back, so
>you're adding about 3.5 miles to the route, and I think it's a bit
>offputting mentally to find yourself back in the same spot after 2 to
>3 hours walking.
Glyder Fach to Crib Goch via Elidir Fawr Nant Peris Hebron and Snowdon
is roughly 19.5km
Glyder Fach to Snowdon via Elidir Fawr (return) Pen-y-Pass and Crib
Goch is rougly 19.0km
So there isn't much in it in distance. I can't be bothered to work out
the height gains, but I think I would prefer the down up down up down
up of the return option to the down down down up up up via Nant Peris.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
Phil Cook wrote:
>Glyder Fach to Crib Goch via Elidir Fawr Nant Peris Hebron and Snowdon
>is roughly 19.5km
>
>Glyder Fach to Snowdon via Elidir Fawr (return) Pen-y-Pass and Crib
>Goch is rougly 19.0km
Rats! I mean Glyder Fawr - I don't know My fach from my fawr.
Is it this or that?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
The message <1118655517.939382.285360@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
from john.somerfield@virginmobile.com contains these words:
> 1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
> Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
> below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
> pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
When going N to S we always started from the top of the public road at
Aber (SH 675716). It is feasible to finish at Ogwen if going S to N but
it makes a hard day somewhat harder.
> 2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
> Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
I have found the North Ridge the best way up or down. I once heard a
tale about a 10 minute descent by a record breaker via a gully on the
West side. I don't know which one it was but whichever route he took he
must have been mad to do it in that time.
> 3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
> the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
I take it you mean from Nant Peris to Snowdon (to finish on Crib Goch).
Unless the route has been barred off the shortest way is via Cwm Glas
Bach to Cloggy Station.
There is I believe a route up the North Ridge of Crib Goch (finish on
Snowdon) and ISTR that 'I bought a Mountain' (whose name escapes me atm)
had a high level route from Pen-y-pass to Elidir Fawr that avoided Nant
Peris completely but I never found a viable line that way.
--
Roger Chapman
sig file out of date
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:57:05 +0100, Phil Cook
<u-r-walk@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>Glyder Fach to Crib Goch via Elidir Fawr Nant Peris Hebron and Snowdon
>>is roughly 19.5km
>>
>>Glyder Fach to Snowdon via Elidir Fawr (return) Pen-y-Pass and Crib
>>Goch is rougly 19.0km
>
>Rats! I mean Glyder Fawr - I don't know My fach from my fawr.
>Is it this or that?
Just looked at it - there's not much in it at all really, as you say.
I thought there would be.
--
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"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com
Phil Cook wrote:
> john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>
> >Phil Cook wrote:
> >> john.somerfield@virginmobile.com wrote:
>
> >> >3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
> >> >the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
> >>
> >> I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
> >> Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
> >>
> >Not so far as I know, but the only paths I know down from the Glyders
> >towards Snowdon are either the Miner's track or from the Devil's
> >Kitchen to the valley bottom.
>
> Glyder Fawr to Gorphwysfa (Pen-y-Pass) is a dirty great big dashed
> line on my 1:50k it is on the 1:25k as well, granted it's not a PROW
> but that doesn't matter any more - if it did in the first place.
Interesting - there's nothing on my 1:25k, although it is an old (1992
revision) version. I bought a new Harvey's map of the area at the
weekend, I'll check that one and investigate next time I'm up there...
Thanks
John
> --
> Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
john.somerfield@virginmobile.com
Roger wrote:
> The message <1118655517.939382.285360@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> from john.somerfield@virginmobile.com contains these words:
>
> > 1) What is the best starting point, and how long does it take to get to
> > Fole Fras? The three possibilities seem to be Aber, the old roamn road
> > below Tal-y-Fan or the car park at Llyn Eigau (this was our planned
> > pick up point as were based in Llanrwst)
>
> When going N to S we always started from the top of the public road at
> Aber (SH 675716). It is feasible to finish at Ogwen if going S to N but
> it makes a hard day somewhat harder.
>
> > 2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side towards
> > Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
>
> I have found the North Ridge the best way up or down. I once heard a
> tale about a 10 minute descent by a record breaker via a gully on the
> West side. I don't know which one it was but whichever route he took he
> must have been mad to do it in that time.
>
> > 3) What is the best route from Nant Peris? Slogging up to Pen-Y-Pass by
> > the road, or going round to Llanberis and going up the Llanberis path?
>
> I take it you mean from Nant Peris to Snowdon (to finish on Crib Goch).
> Unless the route has been barred off the shortest way is via Cwm Glas
> Bach to Cloggy Station.
>
> There is I believe a route up the North Ridge of Crib Goch (finish on
> Snowdon) and ISTR that 'I bought a Mountain' (whose name escapes me atm)
> had a high level route from Pen-y-pass to Elidir Fawr that avoided Nant
> Peris completely but I never found a viable line that way.
>
There is indeed a route up the North Ridge (we came down it on this
attempt), but the path up to the base of the ridge is very faint and
easy to miss.
I've looked for the a high-level route, but the only option seems to be
to do what Phil has suggested at treat Elidir Fawr & Y Garn as an 'out
and back' from Glyder Fawr/Fach (delete as appropriate!).
John
"Roger" <Roger@nospam.zetnet.co.uk> wrote
> > 2) What route is best up Tryfan? We came down the eastern side
towards
> > Ogwen, is this a quicker/easier ascent than the north ridge?
> I have found the North Ridge the best way up or down. I once heard a
> tale about a 10 minute descent by a record breaker via a gully on the
> West side. I don't know which one it was but whichever route he took
he
> must have been mad to do it in that time.
I went down the gully on the West side which starts pretty much straight
off the summit. Think it probaby took slightly longer than 10 minutes
for me though. 30, maybe 40 minutes at a guess. It must be the
quickest way, there's no scrambling and it'd be runnable to some people.
I may have run some of it the second time around. I was just about
crawling the first time (30+ degrees and dehydrated).
On 13/6/05 13:40, in article l5vqa1tda8pbjuski9memb3skogjiqjngc@4ax.com,
"Phil Cook" <u-r-walk@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't go anywhere near Nant Peris. I'd do Glyder Fawr to Elidir
> Fawr as an out and back, or is that against the rules?
Don't know, but it seems very sensible to me!
--
Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK
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