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Upon realizing the same wanker has just drafted me across the I-90
bridge for the third time in recent memory, I decided to mention to
him that it was rude to draft without asking. As we reached the end
of the bridge he pulled up next to me and asked how I was doing.
OF = Other Fellow
Me: Fine. Just on the way home from work.
OF: Ah commuting.
Me: Yes. Err, you know it's pretty rude to draft without asking.
- OF gets offended look, starts to pull away.
OF: *something semi-intelligible like "well why were you racing me"
I decide maybe I was a bit harsh and decide to catch him and try and
talk to him.
Me: I don't mean to come off as a ****, but it's not safe for you to
draft me if I don't you're back there.
OF: Well, you know it's pretty standard to draft other people.
Me: Not really, and it's rude to do it without asking. Especially
if I don't know you're back there.
OF: Well you should keep aware of what's going on, pay attention. [1]
It just goes to show your in-experience cycling.
- At this point I burst out laughing. I'm not uber-cyclist, but I
only started seeing him cycling about May this year. I didn't see
him out in December and January.
OF: If you didn't want me to draft you, why did you pass me back there? [2]
Me: Just because I'm not out in pacelines, and I'm not a *club* cyclist,
doesn't mean I'm inexperienced. It means I don't do the same kind
of cycling you do.
OF: (can't remember) Something about me being (snobby ?) about club
cyclists I guess.
Me: You could have passed me any time you wanted, I kept to the right just
fine.
OF: *something about him being faster than me.*
OF: You should do some training, pick up the pace!
- At this point the light I was waiting on changed, and I didn't see
any point in hanging around and discussing it further.
If he's so much faster than me, why does he keep drafting me?
God he managed to piss me off.
[1] I actually was aware that he was back there obviously, but sometimes
the idiots sneak up on me. As for 'paying attention', I wasn't the
one with the iPod earbuds stuck in my ear.
[2] I'm not positive what he means here, I entered the bridge from the
trail-bit that goes past the ball-field, he entered from the road.
I saw him coming and decided not to wait for him to go first, but I
hardly think I cut him off or anything.
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Dane Jackson wrote in message <6in6p2-v2b.ln1@zuvembi.homelinux.org>...
>[2] I'm not positive what he means here, I entered the bridge from the
> trail-bit that goes past the ball-field, he entered from the road.
> I saw him coming and decided not to wait for him to go first, but I
> hardly think I cut him off or anything.
While I have been known to mix it up from time to time out of sheer boredom
with the same route all the time, generally speaking, the folks who go
around the lid instead up and over are wusses. The best reason to go around
is that it is a bit shadier on a hot summer's afternoon. This morning,
however, did not qualify. (It was raining, for those of you not local
reading this.)
As for making a sign: Rose and I rode Flying Wheels with a nice sign that
said, "Slow on Hills". This sign was written in indelible marker and was
made out of a half piece of craft foam duck-taped to the rear rack. Because
I am not as nimble as I'd like to be on the tandem, I personally don't want
to be drafted while on that bike, myself, but I realized at our pace,
there's no danger of it.
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So, do you think this guy will learn his lesson before or after he
drafts somebody else who doesn't know he's back there and turns / stops
/ swerves around a pothole, etc. without calling out anything?
This sig seems in order:
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
In article <6in6p2-v2b.ln1@zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
Dane Jackson <dane@unseen.edu> writes:
> OF: If you didn't want me to draft you, why did you pass me back there? [2]
> Me: Just because I'm not out in pacelines, and I'm not a *club* cyclist,
> doesn't mean I'm inexperienced. It means I don't do the same kind
> of cycling you do.
> OF: (can't remember) Something about me being (snobby ?) about club
> cyclists I guess.
> Me: You could have passed me any time you wanted, I kept to the right just
> fine.
> OF: *something about him being faster than me.*
> OF: You should do some training, pick up the pace!
> - At this point the light I was waiting on changed, and I didn't see
> any point in hanging around and discussing it further.
>
> If he's so much faster than me, why does he keep drafting me?
With all his lame excuses, it sounds like he knew he
was being rude by drafting you without your permission,
and you had him on the defensive. I dunno why he couldn't
just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it was bothering you,"
and desist from then on.
> God he managed to piss me off.
I don't think he'll bother you anymore, for fear of
being (as he probably perceives it) bawled out.
It's good that you got a chance to speak directly
to him about your objections to his drafting you.
I guess you don't need to clutter your bike with
a sign, after all.
cheers,
Tom
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Dane Jackson wrote:
> Upon realizing the same wanker has just drafted me across the I-90
> bridge for the third time in recent memory, I decided to mention to
> him that it was rude to draft without asking. As we reached the end
> of the bridge he pulled up next to me and asked how I was doing.
[snip]
I just sit up and wave 'em by. I don't care if I lose five seconds; I
refuse to be drafted. Pretty much the same position I took in 1968.
RichC
Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mousepotato.com> wrote:
> Dane Jackson wrote in message <6in6p2-v2b.ln1@zuvembi.homelinux.org>...
>
>>[2] I'm not positive what he means here, I entered the bridge from the
>> trail-bit that goes past the ball-field, he entered from the road.
>> I saw him coming and decided not to wait for him to go first, but I
>> hardly think I cut him off or anything.
>
> While I have been known to mix it up from time to time out of sheer boredom
> with the same route all the time, generally speaking, the folks who go
> around the lid instead up and over are wusses. The best reason to go around
> is that it is a bit shadier on a hot summer's afternoon. This morning,
> however, did not qualify. (It was raining, for those of you not local
> reading this.)
It was actually on the way home yesterday afternoon. I'm not sure what the
name of that baseball field on Mercer is.
*a short google later*
Feroglia Fields
> As for making a sign: Rose and I rode Flying Wheels with a nice sign that
> said, "Slow on Hills". This sign was written in indelible marker and was
> made out of a half piece of craft foam duck-taped to the rear rack. Because
> I am not as nimble as I'd like to be on the tandem, I personally don't want
> to be drafted while on that bike, myself, but I realized at our pace,
> there's no danger of it.
I actually got an idea from someone mentioning that on one of the local
organized rides (might have been STP) they saw a Tandem with a sign that
said 'Not a Tow Truck'. I've been toying with the idea ever since.
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To err is human, to repent, divine, to persist, devilish.
-- Benjamin Franklin
Bob Dole <tsdev@mailcity.com> wrote:
> So, do you think this guy will learn his lesson before or after he
> drafts somebody else who doesn't know he's back there and turns / stops
> / swerves around a pothole, etc. without calling out anything?
Probably not. I have a feeling that he's probably someone who does a
lot of cycling, but is not a general purpose cyclist. My guess is he's
a cat 4/5 racer who decided to get some extra miles in commuting. [1]
> This sig seems in order:
> Good judgment comes from experience.
> Experience comes from bad judgment.
That's so very very true. Nothing teaches us lessons as well as mistakes.
Particularly painful expensive mistakes.
[1] Judging (quite possibly erroneously) from his equipment and demeanor.
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Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dane Jackson <dane@unseen.edu> writes:
>
> With all his lame excuses, it sounds like he knew he
> was being rude by drafting you without your permission,
> and you had him on the defensive. I dunno why he couldn't
> just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it was bothering you,"
> and desist from then on.
Yeah, I've told other people the same things and some of them got
offended also, but none were this defensive. Some of them took it
really well "Oh, sorry, didn't know that", I just say "That's ok"
and we go our separate ways.
>> God he managed to piss me off.
>
> I don't think he'll bother you anymore, for fear of
> being (as he probably perceives it) bawled out.
I saw him again this morning. I caught up to him because he was
lollygagging. I said "Good morning" when we got to a road crossing.
He just gave me a dirty look and took off. Shrug.
> It's good that you got a chance to speak directly
> to him about your objections to his drafting you.
> I guess you don't need to clutter your bike with
> a sign, after all.
Nah, I definitely think it's time. I'll probably put it on the bike
from May to October. I never have any problem with it any other
of the year.
--
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rdclark <rdclark2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dane Jackson wrote:
>> Upon realizing the same wanker has just drafted me across the I-90
>> bridge for the third time in recent memory, I decided to mention to
>> him that it was rude to draft without asking. As we reached the end
>> of the bridge he pulled up next to me and asked how I was doing.
>
> I just sit up and wave 'em by. I don't care if I lose five seconds; I
> refuse to be drafted. Pretty much the same position I took in 1968.
Sometimes I do that. Usually when I'm on the Burke Gillman trail.
The ride to and fro work is not really a good place to draft. There's
a lot of switching from road to trail, and lots of vehicle turnouts.
So, you kind of have to be aggressively clueless to draft in this area.
--
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:00:06 -0700, Dane Jackson wrote:
>
> If he's so much faster than me, why does he keep drafting me?
There's an older dude I see a lot on my rides. I routinely pass him as I'm
a bit stronger--no insult to the guy who's a strong rider in his 60s by
the look of things. He rides an Italian carbon job with all off the gee
gaws, with a terrible cadence to ruin it all. :P Anyhow, I've said hi to
him, as I always try to be friendly, every single time I've passed him.
Each time he's literally turn up his nose as if he was offended at my
lowly bike and said nothing. Then he proceeds to draft me for a few miles.
When we reach a downhill and I can't go faster as I'm on a singlespeed, he
passes me with a smug look. Something I'd expect from a snotty teenager,
but this guys retirement age.
Back to your question, your guy and my guy are simply assholes. That's the
short of it. Next time I'm going to give my particular fellow a piece of
my mind. You're right--it's a safety issue, no amount of carbon textured
bar tape can mitigate that.
rdclark wrote:
>
> I
> refuse to be drafted.
Just wondering why.
I understand the idea of wanting to know someones is there from a
safety perspective. But other than that- at least for me- I couldn't
care less. I don't mid pulling a weaker rider along and I love being
pulled by stronger rider. I think both situations are fine. The former
makes stronger psychologicaly and the latter makes me feel faster :-)
maxo wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:00:06 -0700, Dane Jackson wrote:
>
>>
>> If he's so much faster than me, why does he keep drafting me?
>
> There's an older dude I see a lot on my rides. I routinely pass him
> as I'm a bit stronger--no insult to the guy who's a strong rider in
> his 60s by the look of things. He rides an Italian carbon job with
> all off the gee gaws, with a terrible cadence to ruin it all. :P
> Anyhow, I've said hi to him, as I always try to be friendly, every
> single time I've passed him. Each time he's literally turn up his
> nose as if he was offended at my lowly bike and said nothing. Then he
> proceeds to draft me for a few miles. When we reach a downhill and I
> can't go faster as I'm on a singlespeed, he passes me with a smug
> look. Something I'd expect from a snotty teenager, but this guys
> retirement age.
>
> Back to your question, your guy and my guy are simply assholes.
> That's the short of it. Next time I'm going to give my particular
> fellow a piece of my mind. You're right--it's a safety issue, no
> amount of carbon textured bar tape can mitigate that.
Oh fer gawds sake. Just drop him. Or draft him. Or pull over so he can't
draft you.
Buncha sensitive sallies around here... BS
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:46:46 +0000, maxo wrote:
> my mind. You're right--it's a safety issue, no amount of carbon textured
> bar tape can mitigate that.
Not really. The safety issue is primarily with the guy doing the
drafting. The usual crash resulting from drafting is that you will touch
wheels, which results in guy #2 going down fast. Of course, he could ride
right up into you, but that is not just 'cause of drafting. He could also
fail to notice you stopping. But usually he just rubs your wheel, and
ends up wondering what happened.
--
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In article <1119989063.481089.166820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"gds" <gary_jill@msn.com> writes:
>
>
> rdclark wrote:
>>
>> I
>> refuse to be drafted.
>
> Just wondering why.
If wheels touch and the draft-er goes down and rings his
bell or sustains some other kind of major injury, the lead
rider might be obligated by law to remain at the scene of
the "accident", administer or obtain any help s/he can to
mitigate the injuries, note the details of the incident,
and wait at the scene to give statements to the authorities
when they arrive. I think most of us wouldn't mind helping
a fellow rider in trouble. But when it's so needless, it can
all be a royal PITA to someone who just wants to mind their
own beeswax and get home to dinner on time.
And then there's the possibility of litigation, later.
cheers,
Tom
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:14:56 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
<david.johnson@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>Not really. The safety issue is primarily with the guy doing the
>drafting. The usual crash resulting from drafting is that you will touch
>wheels, which results in guy #2 going down fast. Of course, he could ride
>right up into you, but that is not just 'cause of drafting. He could also
>fail to notice you stopping. But usually he just rubs your wheel, and
>ends up wondering what happened.
Well, I don't want to find out that you are wrong.
Althought, I seldom get drafted.
Life is Good!
Jeff
Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1119989063.481089.166820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "gds" <gary_jill@msn.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > rdclark wrote:
> >>
> >> I
> >> refuse to be drafted.
> >
> > Just wondering why.
>
> If wheels touch and the draft-er goes down and rings his
> bell or sustains some other kind of major injury, the lead
> rider might be obligated by law to remain at the scene of
> the "accident", administer or obtain any help s/he can to
> mitigate the injuries, note the details of the incident,
> and wait at the scene to give statements to the authorities
> when they arrive. I think most of us wouldn't mind helping
> a fellow rider in trouble. But when it's so needless, it can
> all be a royal PITA to someone who just wants to mind their
> own beeswax and get home to dinner on time.
>
> And then there's the possibility of litigation, later.
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
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OK I understand that in theory. But from a practical point of view I
think ithas to be rare. I've been riding for over 50 years and much of
that has been in close proximity to other riders. Crashes have been few
and far between and I have never heard of a rider being sued by someone
who strikes them from behind. I'm sure someone will come up with an
example but it stil has to be very rare.
I guess I don't spend a lot of time worryong about these things which I
don't view as very high risk. And besides I like riding with others and
like drafting and being drafted. I have had some very pleasant rides
with shared pulling over many miles with complete strangers.And I've
even become friends with some of them.
Other comments about bad attitude would turn me off much more than
simply having someone to pull along. I do agree that there are polite
ways to go about it and certainly if you indicate your lack of interest
it should be respected.
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:14:56 -0400, David L. Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:46:46 +0000, maxo wrote:
>
>> my mind. You're right--it's a safety issue, no amount of carbon textured
>> bar tape can mitigate that.
>
> Not really. The safety issue is primarily with the guy doing the
> drafting. The usual crash resulting from drafting is that you will touch
> wheels, which results in guy #2 going down fast.
Hmm, the statistics are in my favour...maybe I just need to tap the brakes
and see if the old boy's been taking his calcium supplements...
;)
In article <1120002156.774689.27760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"gds" <gary_jill@msn.com> writes:
>
>
> OK I understand that in theory. But from a practical point of view I
> think ithas to be rare. I've been riding for over 50 years and much of
> that has been in close proximity to other riders. Crashes have been few
> and far between and I have never heard of a rider being sued by someone
> who strikes them from behind. I'm sure someone will come up with an
> example but it stil has to be very rare.
To tell ya the truth, I haven't heard of such a case either.
OTOH, stuff happens.
> I guess I don't spend a lot of time worryong about these things which I
> don't view as very high risk. And besides I like riding with others and
> like drafting and being drafted. I have had some very pleasant rides
> with shared pulling over many miles with complete strangers.And I've
> even become friends with some of them.
Sounds like fun, especially when everybody gets to do their share
of work. But I suspect Dane's wheel sucker was just mooching.
> Other comments about bad attitude would turn me off much more than
> simply having someone to pull along. I do agree that there are polite
> ways to go about it and certainly if you indicate your lack of interest
> it should be respected.
Maybe another fly in the ointment is neither party having any
inkling as to the other's intended route. I guess cruising
along on the open road is one thing; having to make more
abrupt manoeuvers on a commuting route might be quite another.
And I'm not so sure I'd want strangers following me home.
cheers,
Tom
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"gds" <gary_jill@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1119989063.481089.166820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> rdclark wrote:
>>
>> I
>> refuse to be drafted.
>
> Just wondering why.
1) It's inherently less safe than riding solo.
2) I am as uncompetitive as they come. I'm not even interested in knowing
whether I'm a "weaker" or "stronger" rider.
3) I ride alone. I don't want conversation when I'm riding.
4) It's inherently less safe than riding solo.
> I understand the idea of wanting to know someones is there from a
> safety perspective. But other than that- at least for me- I couldn't
> care less. I don't mid pulling a weaker rider along and I love being
> pulled by stronger rider. I think both situations are fine. The former
> makes stronger psychologicaly and the latter makes me feel faster :-)
The interactions between two randomly-met riders will almost certainly
consist entirely of things that don't interest me.
RichC
rdclark wrote:
> I refuse to be drafted.
Signed,
Bill Clinton
(See Maggie? THAT's how you post something political!)
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