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Armstrong wins Dauphine Libere time trial
SAINT-HEAND, France, June 11 (Reuters) - Lance Armstrong won Wednesday's third stage of the Dauphine
Libere cycling race, a
33.4-kilometre individual time trial from Saint-Paul-en-Jarez to Saint-Heand.
The American clocked a winning time of 49 minutes and 32 seconds and seized the lead of the
eight-day stage race.
Briton David Millar was second, one minute and seven seconds behind. Overnight leader Iban Mayo of
Spain was third.
That works out to 25.1 mph. What was the elevation gain on this time trial?
"Kiem Madvanen" <zubeneschemali@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Armstrong wins Dauphine Libere time trial
>
> SAINT-HEAND, France, June 11 (Reuters) - Lance Armstrong won Wednesday's third stage of the
> Dauphine Libere cycling race, a
> 33.4-kilometre individual time trial from Saint-Paul-en-Jarez to Saint-Heand.
>
> The American clocked a winning time of 49 minutes and 32 seconds and seized the lead of the
> eight-day stage race.
>
> Briton David Millar was second, one minute and seven seconds behind. Overnight leader Iban Mayo of
> Spain was third.
"billx" <ibrunning@aol.com> wrote in message news:bc7v2v$eag$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> That works out to 25.1 mph. What was the elevation gain on this time
trial?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=stages/stage3
Looks like there was around a 5% grade between kilometers 4-13 judging from the elevation map.
Wonder what Lance averaged up that grade.
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3ee7841c$0$11678$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
> "billx" <ibrunning@aol.com> wrote in message news:bc7v2v$eag$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > That works out to 25.1 mph. What was the elevation gain on this time
> trial?
>
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=stages/stage3
Kiem Madvanen <zubeneschemali@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Armstrong wins Dauphine Libere time trial
>
> SAINT-HEAND, France, June 11 (Reuters) - Lance Armstrong won Wednesday's third stage of the
> Dauphine Libere cycling race, a
> 33.4-kilometre individual time trial from Saint-Paul-en-Jarez to Saint-Heand.
>
> The American clocked a winning time of 49 minutes and 32 seconds and seized the lead of the
> eight-day stage race.
>
> Briton David Millar was second, one minute and seven seconds behind. Overnight leader Iban Mayo of
> Spain was third.
It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour. The only man who _could_ stop him is Simoni. Noone
can gain any real time in the ITTs against Lance. You have to beat him in the mountains. Simoni
could do that, but it's doubtful, and _if so_, he'd only gain seconds anyway (half a minute, 40 secs
etc once or twice), not enough to regain what he loses in the ITTs.
It's over.
--
«Wänn i de Schwitz s Volk redet, händ d Politikär ruhig sii.»
>It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
Mapei81 wrote:
>
> >It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
>
> I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
The anti-Lance crowd is sure giving up early. Do the rest of the peloton, classics winners, UCI
point leaders and everyone's cycling heroes, other than Lance, suddenly become pygmies in July?
Mapei81 <mapei81@aol.com> wrote:
>>It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
> I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jun96/lib1.html
Indurain crushed the competition. Completely.
Riis was 23 minutes back when he abandoned.
Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com
David Ryan <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mapei81 wrote:
> >
> > >It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
> >
> > I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
>
> The anti-Lance crowd is sure giving up early. Do the rest of the peloton, classics winners, UCI
> point leaders and everyone's cycling heroes, other than Lance, suddenly become pygmies in July?
huh? Soooo... why can't Lance win any classics?
Bob Schwartz <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote:
> Mapei81 <mapei81@aol.com> wrote:
> >>It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
>
> > I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jun96/lib1.html
>
> Indurain crushed the competition. Completely.
>
> Riis was 23 minutes back when he abandoned.
Good point.
And after all, Armstrong lost 55 seconds to Mancebo on a 1st cat climb, Col de la Ramaz, today (but
got it back on the descent - and ended second after Mayo).
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=results/ stage4
BTW, nice to see Virenque moving up there almost among the big boys (5th today).
--
«Wänn i de Schwitz s Volk redet, händ d Politikär ruhig sii.»
"Malte Lewan Neelsen" <mlneelsen-supprimer@europe.com> wrote in message
>
> And after all, Armstrong lost 55 seconds to Mancebo on a 1st cat climb, Col de la Ramaz, today
> (but got it back on the descent - and ended second after Mayo).
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=results/ stage4
>
Apologies for this - early info was incorrect. Mayo and Armstrong were together at the top, a little
way behind Mancebo. Photographers don't lie
:-)
Cheers, Jeff
"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
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> "Malte Lewan Neelsen" <mlneelsen-supprimer@europe.com> wrote in message
> >
> > And after all, Armstrong lost 55 seconds to Mancebo on a 1st cat climb, Col de la Ramaz, today
> > (but got it back on the descent - and ended second after Mayo).
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=results/ stage4
> >
> Apologies for this - early info was incorrect. Mayo and Armstrong were together at the top, a
> little way behind Mancebo. Photographers don't lie
> :-)
>
> Cheers, Jeff
Phew. I read the live coverage from the Dauphine website (it sucks compared to you guys, as I'm sure
you know) and I couldn't figure out how Armstrong made up 55 seconds on Mancebo and 35 seconds on
Mayo on the descent. I was thinking that maybe Armstrong had been taking descending lessons from
Savoldelli.
"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
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>
> "Malte Lewan Neelsen" <mlneelsen-supprimer@europe.com> wrote in message
> >
> > And after all, Armstrong lost 55 seconds to Mancebo on a 1st cat climb, Col de la Ramaz, today
> > (but got it back on the descent - and ended second after Mayo).
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/DauphineLibere03/?id=results/ stage4
> >
> Apologies for this - early info was incorrect. Mayo and Armstrong were together at the top, a
> little way behind Mancebo. Photographers don't lie
> :-)
You mean 'photographs' don't lie?
I've seen photographers lie. Portrait photographers at the beach, telling the Fattie Family that
they look great.
Bob Schwartz <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jun96/lib1.html
> Indurain crushed the competition. Completely. Riis was 23 minutes back when he abandoned.
Your "Ages of Tour Winners" page shows something interesting. LANCE is 31 this year. In the postwar
era, only Bartali, Coppi, Zoetemelk, and Riis have managed to win the Tour at 32+. Obviously, LANCE
is a fanatic for training, and it can be done, but the end will come someday.
Ben likes LANCE but also likes the idea that it is physiologically impossible to win six Tours.
here@there.com (G) wrote in message news:<1fwgqmq.s41xpok2u41sN%here@there.com>...
> David Ryan <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mapei81 wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
> > >
> > > I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
> >
> > The anti-Lance crowd is sure giving up early. Do the rest of the peloton, classics winners, UCI
> > point leaders and everyone's cycling heroes, other than Lance, suddenly become pygmies in July?
>
> huh? Soooo... why can't Lance win any classics?
Lance can't win any classics because that's not what he trains for. He trains to win the Tour de
France. Seems to be working for him so far.
Benjamin Weiner <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> Bob Schwartz <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jun96/lib1.html
>> Indurain crushed the competition. Completely. Riis was 23 minutes back when he abandoned.
> Your "Ages of Tour Winners" page shows something interesting. LANCE is 31 this year. In the
> postwar era, only Bartali, Coppi, Zoetemelk, and Riis have managed to win the Tour at 32+.
> Obviously, LANCE is a fanatic for training, and it can be done, but the end will come someday.
Yep. I think next year is the year for Ullrich to knock him off if it is ever going to happen. LANCE
will be bumping up against the upper end of the range, Jan is two years younger.
I also think people should not underestimate the
psychological stress of being a multi-year Tour favorite. Five (or six) years is a long time to
center your work life around something that can get flushed with one bad day or one sick day. The
challenges get much steeper from here.
Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com
"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ee91677$1@news.ucsc.edu...
> Bob Schwartz <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jun96/lib1.html
>
> > Indurain crushed the competition. Completely. Riis was 23 minutes back when he abandoned.
>
> Your "Ages of Tour Winners" page shows something interesting. LANCE is 31 this year. In the
> postwar era, only Bartali, Coppi, Zoetemelk, and Riis have managed to win the Tour at 32+.
> Obviously, LANCE is a fanatic for training, and it can be done, but the end will come someday.
>
> Ben likes LANCE but also likes the idea that it is physiologically impossible to win six Tours.
Never impossible, Jan Ullrich has a chance to beat Lance this year but Lance is looking very
good again.
Indurain is the only rider to win 5 TdF's consecutively.
Dashii
Tom Arsenault <giantcu92@hotmail.com> wrote:
> here@there.com (G) wrote in message news:<1fwgqmq.s41xpok2u41sN%here@there.com>... > David Ryan
> <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mapei81 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >It's basically over. Armstrong will win the tour.
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid you're right. Yawn.
> > >
> > > The anti-Lance crowd is sure giving up early. Do the rest of the peloton, classics winners,
> > > UCI point leaders and everyone's cycling heroes, other than Lance, suddenly become pygmies in
> > > July?
> >
> > huh? Soooo... why can't Lance win any classics?
>
> Lance can't win any classics because that's not what he trains for. He trains to win the Tour de
> France. Seems to be working for him so far.
Thanks, but I wanted to see what the Lance cheerleader had to say.
GK
G wrote:
>
>>>huh? Soooo... why can't Lance win any classics?
>>
>>Lance can't win any classics because that's not what he trains for. He trains to win the Tour de
>>France. Seems to be working for him so far.
>
How about this? First places:
1992 First Union Grad Prix Thrift Drug Classic Stage, Tour of Galicia
1993 World Road Championship US National Road Championship Stage, Tour de France
1994 Thrift Drug Classic
1995 Tour DuPont Classica San Sebastian Stage, Tour de France
1996 Tour DuPont Fleche Wallone
1998 Cascade Classic Rheinland Pfalz Rundfahrt Sprint 56K Criterium Tour of Luxembourg
1999 Stage, Circuit de la Sarthe Stage, Dauphine Libre Stage, Route du Sud Tour de France
Boxmeer Criterium
2000 Tour de France GP Eddy Merckx GP Des Nations
2001 Tour of Switzerland Tour de France
2002 Midi Libre Dauphine Libre Tour de France
Yep. All he can win is the TdF.
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I'm still trying figure this one out:
David Ryan <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The anti-Lance crowd is sure giving up early. Do the rest of the peloton, classics winners, UCI
> point leaders and everyone's cycling heroes, other than Lance, suddenly become pygmies in July?
Is he saying good classics riders should be top tour riders like Lance? Or can I say Lance is a
pygmie in Spring??
Thanks Todd, your list is full of short & long stage races, ITT's, a 2 man TT and was Boxmeer that
rigged crit where he beat Cipo in a bunch sprint? I think there are some 1 day races there
somewhere.. yes the '93 Worlds & Fleche Wallone! But they were a friggin long time ago!
GK (not anti Lance, but amused by the "Go Lance, Just Go!" crowd)
Todd Kuzma <tullio@TheRamp.net> wrote:
> How about this? First places:
>
> 1992 First Union Grad Prix Thrift Drug Classic Stage, Tour of Galicia
>
> 1993 World Road Championship US National Road Championship Stage, Tour de France
>
> 1994 Thrift Drug Classic
>
> 1995 Tour DuPont Classica San Sebastian Stage, Tour de France
>
> 1996 Tour DuPont Fleche Wallone
>
> 1998 Cascade Classic Rheinland Pfalz Rundfahrt Sprint 56K Criterium Tour of Luxembourg
>
> 1999 Stage, Circuit de la Sarthe Stage, Dauphine Libre Stage, Route du Sud Tour de France Boxmeer
> Criterium
>
> 2000 Tour de France GP Eddy Merckx GP Des Nations
>
> 2001 Tour of Switzerland Tour de France
>
> 2002 Midi Libre Dauphine Libre Tour de France
>
> Yep. All he can win is the TdF.
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