Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
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In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.
It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
participation in anything, just ads.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
>Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>
>In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.
>
>It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
>shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
>posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
>couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
>participation in anything, just ads.
Still doesn't change FACTS.
Jan
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004
"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
> >
> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of
late.
> >
> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
> >participation in anything, just ads.
>
> Still doesn't change FACTS.
Yes, the facts are that this is spam for a network of
vultures...oops...class action attorneys.....
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message news:<20040618015000.25561.00000200@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
> >
> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.
> >
> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
> >participation in anything, just ads.
>
> Still doesn't change FACTS.
>
> Jan
Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
solutions to make everything "right as rain"???
healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote:
>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message news:<20040618015000.25561.00000200@mb-m29.aol.com>...
>> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
>> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>> >
>> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.
>> >
>> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
>> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
>> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
>> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
>> >participation in anything, just ads.
>>
>> Still doesn't change FACTS.
>>
>> Jan
>
>Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
>depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
>most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
>depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
>is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
>great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
>solutions to make everything "right as rain"???
Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
Very sad.
--
Peter Bowditch
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M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote:
>
> >jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
news:<20040618015000.25561.00000200@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> >> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
> >> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
> >> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
> >> >
> >> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0
<kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of
late.
> >> >
> >> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
> >> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
> >> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
> >> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
> >> >participation in anything, just ads.
> >>
> >> Still doesn't change FACTS.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >
> >Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
> >depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
> >most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
> >depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
> >is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
> >great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
> >solutions to make everything "right as rain"???
>
> Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
> yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
> Very sad.
The most effective anti-depressant in adolescents is Prozac. The other ones
seem to be fairly useless. The recent reports have helped clarify what is
the most effective treatment.
Jan will not support this.
>Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 6/18/2004 5:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <t7r5d0lrctib3k38eqfqpsa3gs6dmr1ub9@4ax.com>
>
>healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote:
>
>>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<20040618015000.25561.00000200@mb-m29.aol.com>...
>>> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>>> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
>>> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>>> >
>>> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of
>late.
>>> >
>>> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
>>> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
>>> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
>>> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
>>> >participation in anything, just ads.
>>>
>>> Still doesn't change FACTS.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>>Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
>>depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
>>most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
>>depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
>>is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
>>great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
>>solutions to make everything "right as rain"???
>
>Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
NOT strange that you should lie as is your pattern. Truth is, you have NO idea
what or if I take anything.
>yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
>Very sad.
As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
suicides. But I realize it is A OK to you and Michele of the *gang* that the
drug companies have been L Y I N G.
http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html
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Jan
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004
"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
> >From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
> >Date: 6/18/2004 5:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <t7r5d0lrctib3k38eqfqpsa3gs6dmr1ub9@4ax.com>
> >
> >healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote:
> >
> >>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
> >news:<20040618015000.25561.00000200@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> >>> >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
> >>> >From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
> >>> >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>> >Message-id: <sttAc.83$8L3.40@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
> >>> >
> >>> >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0
<kentr0ss@yahoo.com>
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of
> >late.
> >>> >
> >>> >It seems that there is some asshole who styles himself "kent r0ss"
who
> >>> >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
> >>> >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
> >>> >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
> >>> >participation in anything, just ads.
> >>>
> >>> Still doesn't change FACTS.
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>
> >>Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
> >>depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
> >>most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
> >>depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
> >>is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
> >>great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
> >>solutions to make everything "right as rain"???
> >
> >Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
>
> NOT strange that you should lie as is your pattern. Truth is, you have NO
idea
> what or if I take anything.
>
> >yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
> >Very sad.
>
> As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
> suicides. But I realize it is A OK to you and Michele of the *gang* that
the
> drug companies have been L Y I N G.
Actually, "we" have learned no such thing. These kids were prescribed
medication because they have serious problems to begin with. How do you know
that it is the medication and not the underlying problem, called depression,
which is a cause of suicide? The answer is, YOU DO NOT KNOW, and thus, you
lied.
>Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
>06-18-04@lombercartel.com
>Date: 6/18/2004 2:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <V0JAc.11873$V57.2302903@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>Truth is, you have NO
>idea
>> what or if I take anything.
>>
uhhhhh.....Elavil and Neurontin????
>> As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
>> suicides. But I realize it is A OK to
>you and Michele of the *gang* that
>the
>> drug companies have been L Y I N G.
ahhhh...such an answer I would have expected from Janster...who has never ever
examined a person who is gravely depressed..thus suicidal...and for whom ANY
help is better than sitting back and doing nothing..
>> drug companies have been L Y I N G.
no Janster...you have NOOOOOO knowledge.. that anyone depressed enough to seek
medical attention would have been suicidal in the first place...
the drugs don't CAUSE the suicides..perhaps the drugs provide the ENERGY some
suicidal folks need to push them out of bed and into suicide...but the ideation
was surely there all the time
certainly we must be attuned to the dangers of suicide in the young...suicide
amongst teens and young adults is a very REALLLL problem..simply depriving them
of a drug class that MAY WELL prevent suicide is welll....malpractice
or maybe you have never known the anguish of comforting a family of a teen
found hanging from their closet rod...or treated a kid with overdose of Advil
in the ER...
course you haven't you dunce....Michele and I..and Rich,,Orac and Peter have
ACTUAL EXPERIENCE in this...you have only what you read by punching words into
a search engine..
YOU are the LIAR...by refusing to accept the gravity of suicidal ideation...esp
in the young...
YOU are an evil person who prefers to throw out an entire class of
drugs....without considering the "risk/benefit" ratio...
If it were YOUR kid or YOUR grandkid you would likely be feeding them your
Elavil...
hypocrite...sad..evil and unknowledgablel
NO ONE has ever said that meds don't have potential side effects...which in
some cases CAN be serious..even fatal..
however NOT treating a suicidal teen has a greater risk of tragedy
why don't you stay in the sandbox
hawki.....
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Hawki63 wrote:
> the drugs don't CAUSE the suicides..perhaps the drugs provide the
> ENERGY some suicidal folks need to push them out of bed and into
> suicide...but the ideation was surely there all the time
Yep, energy increases before improvement in mood starts, docs can't
prevent all suicides but at least there are antidepressants to help
prevent many more than this newest scare is based upon. I'm worried
about how much these scares damage med compliance, doc-patient
relationships and such... I've read too many people just stop their meds
cold without even talking to their doc.
Scaremongering won't stop people from killing themselves, it may bring
it about *sooner* though. :(
Vashti
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:20:53 GMT, "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18,
2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 06-18-04@lombercartel.com> wrote:
>How do you know
>that it is the medication and not the underlying problem, called depression,
>which is a cause of suicide?
It is called pathologic narcissism. Jan believes that she knows the
truth about many subjects.
> The answer is, YOU DO NOT KNOW, and thus, you
>lied.
It would only be a lie if Jan knows that what she is saying is false.
It is not clear that this is the case with anti-depressants. It *is*
clearly the case wrt her claim about mercury poisoning from amalgams.
Initially she believed that she was poisoned. Now she knows she was
not. This is why she deliberately changes her history to make it
appear as if her claim is credible. Jan is a psychopath.
Aloha,
Rich
>
>
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On 18 Jun 2004 22:03:20 GMT, hawki63@aol.com (Hawki63) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
>>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
>>06-18-04@lombercartel.com
>>Date: 6/18/2004 2:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <V0JAc.11873$V57.2302903@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>>Truth is, you have NO
>>idea
>>> what or if I take anything.
>>>
>
>uhhhhh.....Elavil and Neurontin????
Indeed. Obviously we have *some* idea that she is on these drugs
because #1 Jan told us she was on them #2 Jan never told us that she
had stopped taking them. I think that if Jan was able to stop these
medications that she would have told the group. She also has the
opportunity to tell the group *now* whether she still take these meds.
However since Jan is a psychopath she prefers to bear false witness
against others than tell the truth.
>or maybe you have never known the anguish of comforting a family of a teen
>found hanging from their closet rod...or treated a kid with overdose of Advil
>in the ER...
Jan could care less about the welfare of children or teenagers. She is
ONLY interested in herself and her vendetta against conventional
medicine. Anything advancing her agenda will be supported. Anything
opposing her agenda will be rejected.
>
>course you haven't you dunce....Michele and I..and Rich,,Orac and Peter have
>ACTUAL EXPERIENCE in this...you have only what you read by punching words into
>a search engine..
>
>YOU are the LIAR...by refusing to accept the gravity of suicidal ideation...esp
>in the young...
She is only a liar if she knows that what she is saying is not true.
Let us not resort to Jan's tactics of gratuitously calling others
liars.
>
>YOU are an evil person who prefers to throw out an entire class of
>drugs....without considering the "risk/benefit" ratio...
I certainly agree that Jan is evil.
>
>If it were YOUR kid or YOUR grandkid you would likely be feeding them your
>Elavil...
You bet your life she would. Just as she takes Elavil and Neurontin
while criticizing those who take medications that only cover up the
problem. Is Jan Drew deficient in Elavil and Neurontin?? If not then
taking the meds is only covering up her problem. But Jan knows that
when she takes these medications that her pain is better. So she
selfishly takes these meds and criticizes others for doing same. Sad
that.
>why don't you stay in the sandbox
Her head is obviously in the sand. I think she is taking your advice.
Aloha,
Rich
>
>
>hawki.....
>
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